Zack
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I only said the US because the poster was attacking America in particular... because you're right, there are a plethora of countries that haven't been around as long as Ireland that have done far more.
Could ireland be added to the game
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djvandrake
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Yes, but you forget that a super-advanced space-age Irish Civilization nearly succeeded in transforming themselves into beings of pure energy thousands of years ago. And then they invented whisky.....
And human decline began in earnest shortly there after. Same thing happened in Russia I hear, and we got Vodka out of the deal.
All kidding aside, the thread is going a whole lot of nowhere in a big hurry. Everyone's culture and country is important to them for myraids of reasons. Trying to argue the merits or not is just going to result in hard feelings that will accomplish nil. It's obviously not possible to put everyone in the game, so lets make due with what we have.
6K Man
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Although I often find these threads interesting, in much the same way that I used to find looking under rocks interesting when I was much younger.
Actually, I wasn't attacking America. I was attacking the unfortunate tendency of a very select few Americans who seem to believe that the sun rises and sets on the US, that everything not American is inferior and substandard, and that everyone should kowtow to the US in every respect, or risk invasion.
The fact is, I was trolled and I was stupid enough to bite. I reacted in anger, without thinking it through, and I didn't qualify my statements well enough. As a result, I wound up tarring all Americans with the same brush that I would use on people like The Big Con. My derision and scorn was for him, not the American people as a whole. If any of you Americans who are not part of that very select few were offended by what I said, then I apologize for that. I meant no disrespect to the average American.
As for Big Con... Well, you got me. Have your laugh at the stupid Irish girl. Go ahead. But I just have this to say, and then I'll leave it be:
It's Americans like you that are the reason that the US is hated throughout the world. You tarnish their image by flouting America's "cultural superiority" and buying into the US media's ridiculous insistence that America and it's sitting President is "The Leader of the Free World". Any idea how badly that plays in a foreign country? You shoot your mouths off about how inferior other countries and cultures are, then wonder why you're treated so badly when you travel abroad. I was in Brazil a while ago and had to watch while some perfectly nice Americans were practically brutalized by the hotel wait staff for simply being American. Their image is tainted by people like you and it really makes me sad to see that happen.
As for Ireland being insignificant - maybe so. I personally don't care how you feel about it. I do care when you feel the need to say that kind of thing not as an opinion, but as blatant disrespect in a thread where at least two people from Ireland are reading. You didn't like it when I disrespected you and supposedly your country, but it's OK for you to do it to mine? I'm not supposed to feel bad and get angry when you attack my home? Should I give you my address so you can put troops in my back yard to keep me in line? Because, after all, I can't repel an invasion, so I guess I don't deserve to have my back yard.
And finally, do the girls in the south get off on being called "sweets" and "sugar"? Was I supposed to get all warm and cuddly? Send you a naughty PM or two? Y'know, be subservient and all? Maybe I was supposed to think that you were some kind of player, and I was supposed to jump on a plane and rush down there? I'd rather pleasure myself with a chainsaw, thank you.
Have your laugh, you got me. But you're a bigoted, ethnocentric, misogynist, and I'm calling you what you are.
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mqduck
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You're joking, right? Collectively, those four form half the cultural basis for all of Latin America. And just because, as empires, they got wiped out over the course of several hundred years following their discovery by Columbus, that doesn't mean they weren't (well, three of them) large, powerful, advanced and sophisticated empires. Civilization's Eurafrasian-centrism (that's Europe, Africa and Asia - the "Old World") when it comes to the tech tree unfortunately hides that fact.
As a side note, the inclusion of Native America as "an" "empire" is indeed dumb (despite how great the real Sitting Bull was). The concept of their being a single culture is more or less a side-effect of the destruction of all of their individual cultures.
AfterShafter
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I've got to admit, this thread strikes me as a less extreme case of my ex-girlfriend who was a Kiwi that frequently argued that New Zealand was the best country in the world... I mean, appreciate it for what it is, which is something that has many merits and charms - but it's hardly a world altering civilization.
Anyways for Ireland... Did anyone consider that it's a relatively minor country in the most over-represented world area in the game? And that several bad choices already for in game civilizations isn't a good reason to make another bad choice?
Anyways for Ireland... Did anyone consider that it's a relatively minor country in the most over-represented world area in the game? And that several bad choices already for in game civilizations isn't a good reason to make another bad choice?
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I admit it. I was being an ass. I was really in the mood to antagonize someone yesterday. "Sweets" and "Sugar" were stuck in to antagonize, also. (On a cultural note, Southerners do say a lot of sugar and honey and darling but nobody gets off on it.)
I'm not a terrribly ethnocentric American. But for that post it amused me to portray one. It irritates me a great deal when the US thinks because of its power it can defy the will of the world, like when we turned our nose up at the Kyoto accord, and the invasion of Iraq. I loathed Bush.
And I think Ireland is probably (haven't visited) a perfectly lovely country: not a world power but a safe, healthy, economically comfortable country with lots of political freedom and a long, colorful history full of heroes and artists.
Just having a bit of fun with you, Lemon. Probably the wrong kind of fun. Olive branch if you want it.
I'm not a terrribly ethnocentric American. But for that post it amused me to portray one. It irritates me a great deal when the US thinks because of its power it can defy the will of the world, like when we turned our nose up at the Kyoto accord, and the invasion of Iraq. I loathed Bush.
And I think Ireland is probably (haven't visited) a perfectly lovely country: not a world power but a safe, healthy, economically comfortable country with lots of political freedom and a long, colorful history full of heroes and artists.
Just having a bit of fun with you, Lemon. Probably the wrong kind of fun. Olive branch if you want it.
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It's not all deserved, and its not really any different from non-Americans from shooting their mouths off about how bad America is, how dumb Americans are, and having all sorts of wrong stereotypes about America being a racist, violent, fundamentalist place. I've spoken to Europeans who believe that everyone owns a gun and goes to church and hides in their houses for fear of being shot.
It's just unfortunately been a fact since WWII that the US has been put in a leadership position, other countries still depend on the US economically--they collapse when the US market collapses--and militarily, since it built up military power through the Cold War. And the world is still influenced by US consumer culture and media, which is consumed even more abroad than it is at home. Tabloids that obsess over American celebrities are more popular in Europe than America, Baywatch was more popular anywhere in the world but America.
A lot of other governments don't like that, and even though there are legitimate disagreements, they often act against US policy for no other reason than to provide an opposition to US power. Meanwhile their politicians are just as corrupt if not more so than the US government, but divert their people's attention from that by blaming everything on the US.
Its also the same with social problems; Europeans were surprised we'd elect Obama because they think Americans are so racist.. but the fact is that there are much larger problems with racism and anti-semitism abroad. Anti-semitism and anti-Muslim sentiment is a problem in Europe, racism is a problem in Asia, in many places in South America people still talk down to black people.
A lot of Americans are arrogant, but so are others arrogant. They're arrogant when they assume they're more intelligent and cultured than Americans; and when they stereotype Americans just to make them a scapegoat for their problems.
AfterShafter
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Can't we just admit that the Europeans make better beer, the Yanks make better clam chowder, and call it a day? 
Zack
99% hot gas
Can't we just admit that the Europeans make better beer, the Yanks make better clam chowder, and call it a day?
WHAT!!!!!????? You think that Europeans make... haha jk.
Yeah, but this has gotten way out of hand. To answer the original question, yes you could mod Ireland into the game if you desired to do so.Can't we just admit that the Europeans make better beer, the Yanks make better clam chowder, and call it a day?
only if you guys would admit we make better Steak.
AfterShafter
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Hey, I'm not European or American, thank you very much! But yeah, Yanks definitely have the market cornered on how to make a good steak. No offense to our European friends - I've spent a lot of time there, and you guys know how to handle your meat - but the Yanks really rock with steaks.
i am amazed at how you people have forgotten the impact ireland has had on the world ireland was one of the main countries to affect the world during the 1900's
During the easter rising in 1916 ireland rose up against england and fought to become a republic and this also gave germany and opportunity to attack english forces during world war 1
also the ira who are a guerilla ( who are described as terrorists only because of slander ) style fighting group affect the world hugely by
1. They are the most powerful guerilla fighting group in the world
2. They bombed many english banks and stock exchanges which cost the english government over 4 billion repair and this also affected the world stock market and foreign investment in england
3. the hunger strikes that irish men set up affected countries world wide the usa , iran , France , Spain and Portugal and india have days of mourning dedicated to them also 2 streets in france and iran are called bobby sands street . several countries stoped there current deals with england until it realised it's political prisoners ( which england called common criminals )
4. Ireland and england have been fighting for over 800 years probably the longest war in europe
i have done tons of research on this and i hope some of you will to please check out
Ira documentary part one and 2 on youtube
and irish history part 1-18 on youtube
dont read the wiki irish history it is completely wrong
During the easter rising in 1916 ireland rose up against england and fought to become a republic and this also gave germany and opportunity to attack english forces during world war 1
also the ira who are a guerilla ( who are described as terrorists only because of slander ) style fighting group affect the world hugely by
1. They are the most powerful guerilla fighting group in the world
2. They bombed many english banks and stock exchanges which cost the english government over 4 billion repair and this also affected the world stock market and foreign investment in england
3. the hunger strikes that irish men set up affected countries world wide the usa , iran , France , Spain and Portugal and india have days of mourning dedicated to them also 2 streets in france and iran are called bobby sands street . several countries stoped there current deals with england until it realised it's political prisoners ( which england called common criminals )
4. Ireland and england have been fighting for over 800 years probably the longest war in europe
i have done tons of research on this and i hope some of you will to please check out
Ira documentary part one and 2 on youtube
and irish history part 1-18 on youtube
dont read the wiki irish history it is completely wrong
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I'm not trying to demean the Irish here, but many of those 'accomplishments' are controversial to say the least. With Ireland revolting against England in 1916, lets remember, what else was going on in 1916 that England was involved in??? (Hmmm, lets try WWI!) To the rest of the points:
>IRA being called a terrorist group: Its all a mater of whose side you are on. Currently, the Afghani insurgents are called Terrorists because they are fighting us, when they were fighting the Soviets, we called the Mujahadeen (cant spell it, translated as freedom fighters).
1>I'd say that the Taliban/Al-Qaida are more powerful. I do live in America and I'm only somewhat informed on English political issues, so perhaps a european can correct me.
2>How is bombing buildings not a terrorist activity? In America, the radical 60's groups, (Underground Weather men I think they were called, they are way before me) were considered terrorists because they robbed a bank, set of a bomb or two, and shot a police officer. Remember, a Terrorist means someone or an organization that is intently working to create, cause, or inspire terror, doesn't mater whose side you are on.
3>Again, I'm not the best on English political issues, but hunger strikes were relativly common, (eg: Gandhi in India, lots of Jews trying to get England to lift its blockade of Palestine, ect.)
I'm not denying that some of those incedents were bloody and violent though.
4>Have 2 governments been activly fighting? While they had their clashes (William of Orange vs James II), England generaly had them subdued with a few minor revolts. (Didn't the Normans subdue them in the High Middle Ages?)
Just to let you know, I (and most people here) don't consider youtube movies to be the perfect bibliography, and anything produced by the IRA is definitly going to be biased. Also, how is the Irish entry on Wikipedia wrong? I read it once doing reaserch for a mod, and I didn't see anything especialy wrong with it.
I'm not supporting the British here or condoning Ireland, neither side is innocent, but I really don't think a civ should be in just due to terrorist activities. (Would you want a Taliban civ in?)
>IRA being called a terrorist group: Its all a mater of whose side you are on. Currently, the Afghani insurgents are called Terrorists because they are fighting us, when they were fighting the Soviets, we called the Mujahadeen (cant spell it, translated as freedom fighters).
1>I'd say that the Taliban/Al-Qaida are more powerful. I do live in America and I'm only somewhat informed on English political issues, so perhaps a european can correct me.
2>How is bombing buildings not a terrorist activity? In America, the radical 60's groups, (Underground Weather men I think they were called, they are way before me) were considered terrorists because they robbed a bank, set of a bomb or two, and shot a police officer. Remember, a Terrorist means someone or an organization that is intently working to create, cause, or inspire terror, doesn't mater whose side you are on.
3>Again, I'm not the best on English political issues, but hunger strikes were relativly common, (eg: Gandhi in India, lots of Jews trying to get England to lift its blockade of Palestine, ect.)
I'm not denying that some of those incedents were bloody and violent though.
4>Have 2 governments been activly fighting? While they had their clashes (William of Orange vs James II), England generaly had them subdued with a few minor revolts. (Didn't the Normans subdue them in the High Middle Ages?)
Just to let you know, I (and most people here) don't consider youtube movies to be the perfect bibliography, and anything produced by the IRA is definitly going to be biased. Also, how is the Irish entry on Wikipedia wrong? I read it once doing reaserch for a mod, and I didn't see anything especialy wrong with it.
I'm not supporting the British here or condoning Ireland, neither side is innocent, but I really don't think a civ should be in just due to terrorist activities. (Would you want a Taliban civ in?)
FlyinJohnnyL
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Ah, they coulda just done this the easy way and made up some countries and leaders. Then there would be no problem.
Or just have Asia, Europe, Africa, South America, North America, Australia, and Antarctica. One of the penguins from "March of the Penguins" can lead Antarctica. Their UU would be Seal Ice Chuckers (Grenadier replacement, gets amphibious promotion), and the UB would be the igloo (Granary replacement that gives all Tundra tiles in the BFC +1 Food).
Or just have Asia, Europe, Africa, South America, North America, Australia, and Antarctica. One of the penguins from "March of the Penguins" can lead Antarctica. Their UU would be Seal Ice Chuckers (Grenadier replacement, gets amphibious promotion), and the UB would be the igloo (Granary replacement that gives all Tundra tiles in the BFC +1 Food).
This makes me sick on so many levels.
Anyway, this is the forum concerned with the game. Please confine this nonsense to the off-topic forum.
Btw, welcome to the forums.
Aside from being silly indicators of world influence, none of these areas had any real impact on any region other than the British Isles. They're nothing more than footnotes in the historical record.
Evil Beejeebers
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The IRA are/were terrorists end of story.
BTW you can also post bigoted nonsense on youtube too
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