The Dark Master
Pure Evil
Germany had the full capablity to win if only ONE thing had been diffrent, Hitler conquering Britian before going anywere else.
Could the Nazi Germans have "Won" the war?
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"Britan saved the world"
Are you mad ???Britain terorised the German civil citizens and nothing more !
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Are you mad ???Britain terorised the German civil citizens and nothing more !
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ComradeDavo
Formerly God
Without Britain the Germans would have overrun the Middle East and North Africa and Japan would have had free reign over South East Asia. There would have been no second front in Europe. I think it is valid to say that Britain played a vital part in 'saving the world' from the Nazi's.fing0lfin said:
I think that if wasn't Russia, Britain would have been smashed by the nationalsocilist.And the second front was opened to stop the Russians , if they decide to continue the war. And actually Africa and The middle east couldn't have changed the war.
Nyvin
Unseen Leader
Nobody said:
Britain save the world????? lol!!!! yah right, with more then three quarters of their war money coming from the USA and most of the western front being lead by the USA, I highly doubt it. Britain played a secondary role in the war, it wasn't needed for anything more then geography to invade northern france on D-day. Britain did not save the world in anyway what so ever.
And overall it's been commonly said that Britain killed more people in it's empire (and homeland) then Germany did in ww2.
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ComradeDavo
Formerly God
And if it wasn't for the British, the Germans would have gone to war against the Russians earlier and not been effected by the winter, plus the German war industry would not have suffered the heavy bombing that helped the Russians so much.....and lets not forget that they would have had alot more resources from Africa and the Middle East and could have diverted more troops to the Eastern front.fing0lfin said:
AND ACTUALLY North Africa and the Middle East were very important during the war, due a thing called OIL.
World War 2 was won by a combination of Russia, Great Britain and the USA. All 3 played a vital part.
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
Your knowledge of world war 2 is very minimal if you really believe this.Nyvin said:
If Africa and the middle east was SO important, Hitler would have send there his elite troops, and they would have smahsed the Allies.And the war wasn't won by USA, Britain and Russia. Usa and Britain took part of course (as the most nations) but the war wasn't won by them.And with what England slowed the German reich ?
Did they stopped the nazis to occupie all France ? It took the nazis only two weeks to conquerer France.
Did they stopped the nazis to occupie all France ? It took the nazis only two weeks to conquerer France.
Britain was vital in the effort against the nazis. Do you really think that America would have launched a successful invasion of Europe without Britain? Britain delayed the attack on Russia and drained precious nazi resources when they were needed in Russia. That said, it was an Allied victory, not a British, not an American and not a Russian. It was an Allied victory.
rilnator
Emperor
Nyvin said:
And where has this been 'commonly said'?
Over 28 million people died in Russia, Poland and Yugoslavia alone. I've never read any figures about British genocide remotely close to this.
rilnator
Emperor
fing0lfin said:
Oh yes! Hitler knew best didn't he? One of his greatest oversights was to ignore the Middle East. One of the reasons Hitler didn't send in his elite troops was because they got a major touch up in Crete. If Malta and The Suez had fallen to the Germans The British would have had major problems in North Africa. Taking away their only battlefield against the Nazis and keeping Italy in the war longer.
Britian was a major armaments plant and airfield for the Allies. And, by their mere presence in the war they kept thousands of German troops tied down in France as well as planes, tanks etc etc. The also supplied resistance groups with weapons and training.
BTW, the campaign in the West in 1940 went from 10th May till 25th June. Not 2 weeks.
Nyvin
Unseen Leader
rilnator said:
Hitler's initial goal was securing the mainland, not conquering the british. Britain could never hope to threaten Nazi conquest on the continent. Once the mainland was conquered, the rest of the world would follow, under Hitler's view. Since Russia was never conquered, this never happened, had Russia been conquered, you'd see britain fall pretty shortly after, followed of course by North Africa.
MattII
Prince
Britain was more important than many would make out. Firstly, most late war fighters were powered by Packard built Merlin or Gryphon engines, both designs can from Rolls Royce in Britain. Secondly, the RNAF were using the Mustang a while before the USAAF, and it was originally a RNAF ordered design. Thirdly, without Britain, the USA Merchant Fleet would have lost most of their ships delivering supplies to the Russians, as it was, these Ships were lost by the British Merchant Fleet. Fourthly, Britain stopped a severely premature D-Day invasion in 1943. Fifthly, Taranto, no more need be said.
Also, please remember that the RAF was not the only force defending Britain, there was also the RN waiting out of harm's way in Scapa Flow, and it was larger than the Reich's Navy.
The RAF didn't just bomb civilian targets, they di precision hits on acceptable tagets as well:
11 November 1940 Sinking of three battleships at Taranto.
25 September 1942 Destruction of Gestapo headquaters in Oslo.
16 May 1943 Destruction of Moehne, Eder, Sorpe dams.
18 February 1944 Freeing of condemned French Resistance prisoners in Amiens.
11 April 1944 Destruction of Gestapo headquarters in Hague.
31 October 1944 Destruction of Gestapo office building in Aarhus University.
21 March 1945 Destruction gestapo headquarters in Copenhagen.
In strikes against V1 launch sites British Mosquitos were destroying sites with an average of 40 tons of bombs per site, as opposed to 165 tons for B-17's and worse for other US bombers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/area_bombing_02.shtml
Bombing civilians was started by the Luftwaffe.
Oh, and Britain was more than a place to rally the invasion forces, it was also an airbase.
Also, please remember that the RAF was not the only force defending Britain, there was also the RN waiting out of harm's way in Scapa Flow, and it was larger than the Reich's Navy.
The RAF didn't just bomb civilian targets, they di precision hits on acceptable tagets as well:
11 November 1940 Sinking of three battleships at Taranto.
25 September 1942 Destruction of Gestapo headquaters in Oslo.
16 May 1943 Destruction of Moehne, Eder, Sorpe dams.
18 February 1944 Freeing of condemned French Resistance prisoners in Amiens.
11 April 1944 Destruction of Gestapo headquarters in Hague.
31 October 1944 Destruction of Gestapo office building in Aarhus University.
21 March 1945 Destruction gestapo headquarters in Copenhagen.
In strikes against V1 launch sites British Mosquitos were destroying sites with an average of 40 tons of bombs per site, as opposed to 165 tons for B-17's and worse for other US bombers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/area_bombing_02.shtml
Bombing civilians was started by the Luftwaffe.
Oh, and Britain was more than a place to rally the invasion forces, it was also an airbase.
Do you really think that America would have launched a successful invasion of Europe without Britain?
What are you talking about ? What American invasion ? May be you mean the dessant in Normandy? Well it wasn't an invesion of Europe. It was a preventive move, in order to stop the red army if it's necessary.
And about the middle east and africa.. you will see that that battles there was minior in comparison with the battles in Russia.
What are you talking about ? What American invasion ? May be you mean the dessant in Normandy? Well it wasn't an invesion of Europe. It was a preventive move, in order to stop the red army if it's necessary.
And about the middle east and africa.. you will see that that battles there was minior in comparison with the battles in Russia.
Case
The horror, the horror
AdrianE said:
Exactly correct. As the Germans ultimate objective when they crossed the Soviet frontier was to convert all of the USSR west of the Urals into German colonies with the population reduced to slave labourers (who were to be deliberetly kept uneducated and underfed in order to prevent uprisings against the 'thousand year reich') there wasn't exactly a lot of scope to form alliances!
The battles weren't minor. They determined who gained control of the precious resources in Africa and the Middle East such as oil. And despite what you may think of the Red Army, if it wasn't for the second front, it's doubtable if they ever would have reached Berlin.
Lol man.. dou you know the history of the war at all ?When the second front was opened, the red army had alredy take big advantage over the wermacht and the Russians was conqering German.Some of the pre-nazi allies left the war, and other joined the allies and Russia.The second world war was won in the fields of Russia.
Phyr_Negator
Anti-tolerast
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ComradeDavo
Formerly God
Clearly you are choosing to ignore th actual facts of the war and to look at possiable outcomes if things have happened differently. It is pointless to debate with you when you just take the stance that the Russians achieved everything and Britain did nothing even though all evidence and reasoning says otherwise.fing0lfin said:
I repeat again, Britain, the USA and the Soviet Union all played a vital part in winning World War 2, without either the outcome would have been very different.
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