CS gives me their Dyes but not their Coal ?

[Will99]

OK, I just researched Industrialization and Coal is now revealed on the map. I got one coal in my territory, and an allied CS has one Coal already under a mine. However they aren't giving me their Coal, even though they already give me their Dyes. How come ?

It can't be that the CS has to 'research' Industrialization itself, i.e. in order to gain access to Coal itself and thus be able to give it to me ?

 

[KillingMeSoftly]

You've already guessed the problem. I believe City States gain tech based on how many Civs have that tech. So once a few of your rivals get to Industrialization, so will the City States. Then you'll get your Coal.

 

[Browd]

Try gifting an additional 200 gold and designate that to improve the CS's coal deposit.

 

[Will99]

Try gifting an additional 200 gold and designate that to improve the CS's coal deposit.

The coal is already under a mine.

Anyway, I have since researched Electricity and revealed Aluminium, another allied CS has aluminium under a mine and I receive that ok, but still no Coal from the first CS.
What's more I have since also allied with yet another CS with Coal, paid gold to improve the coal tile and I get that Coal ok, but still not from the original CS.

Strangely, the 'problem' CS is the same CS that I can no longer gift units to - as I report in another thread :-
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=474402

So it seems to me that it must be a glitch affecting this CS only ......

 

[The_J]

Moderator Action: Moved to bug reports then.

What about a savegame for the devs? It's easier to analyze it when you can see it life in action .

 

[Will99]

Here's my save game attached.

'Problem' CS is Warsaw, while I get 3 Coal from Valletta and 3 from my own Coal deposit (1 is used by partial contstruction of a Factory in Lyon).

I also get 4 Aluminium from Prague.

 

[Petek]

Here are some other threads in which the same issue is discussed:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=471464
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=474428

(BTW, the first link, a thread started by Mercade, illustrates the same phenomenon as mentioned here: Wittenberg has a mined coal resource, but doesn't grant it to you. However, Genoa has unmined coal. If you pay them to mine it, then you then get the resource.)

This thread discusses a parallel issue: A CS grants you a resource for which you don't have the required tech, but you can use the resource anyway. Also, the CS dialog box does not show the resource is available.

The current situation appears to be that:

* A CS can grant you a resource if and only if it has the required tech.
* You can see the resource in the CS dialog box (and in other diplomatic screens) if and only if you have the required tech.
* You can use a granted resource whether or not you have the required tech.
* CSs can have varying levels of research.

It definitely seems to be a bug that you can use a resource before you have the required tech. I'm not sure that being able to see the CSs resources before they have the tech is a bug, but it certainly is misleading.

 

[Will99]

Thanks for all the info.

Interesting that one of the posts says that a CS has to have met two Civs with the tech in order to learn the tech itself and see their resource (and thus be able to share it). Strange the manual doesn't mention anything about how this mechanic works though.

I guess that also means that if for example you've just popped Electricity, and a CS shares their Aluminium with you, then at least one other Civ has also got Electricity.
If you've beelined the tech then it's useful info to know that at least one other Civ has got it - eg. someone else might be building the Wonder that hangs off it (eg. Big Ben in Industrialization's case).