CTR 0 -- 1 if by Air, 2 if by Sea

[ChrTh]

Ah, ok War via Diplomacy it is, then

 

[ChrTh]

Turn 0 -- 500 AD
Ah, a Golden Age
Interesting, we had a palace build due
Ok, I load up the Galleys in Reyk (6) and ship them towards the Greek coast
I also move some Zerks towards Cop to load those Galleys up
I wince at a From Justin to Kelly commercial
It looks like I'm going to be ready for War on my turn...

Note: We are 30 points down to Greece at this point

Turn 1 -- 510 AD
Trond Spear>Spear; I'm going to build 6 in prep for the Greek cities as extra defense (will upgrade to Pike once we attach iron)
Bergen Zerk>Zerk
Cop Zerk>Zerk
Stav Zerk>Market

Troops moving into position...

Turn 2 -- 520 AD
Greeks have Education and GUnpowder...hmmm...I think I'll ask for those for Peace
Trond Spear>Spear
Aarhus Zerk>Zerk

Turn 3 -- 530 AD
Trond Spear>Spear
Reyk Zerk>Zerk
Oslo Zerk>Zerk
Stock Zerk>Zerk
Moving troops...next turn is time...or is it?

Turn 4 -- 540 AD
Hrmmmm...Xerxes threatens War for Invention...I don't want the WW to affect my efforts in Greece
Trond Spear>Spear

Crap, I forgot about Ephesus...I change Reyk to Galley, will grab one Berzerk from Reyk and one from Cop on its way to Ephesus

I wince at yet another From Justin to Kelly commercial...

Galleys are in Greek border...and Theropylae has Musketmen...I've got a bad feeling about this...but I'm striking anyway

Start War with the Greeks, and promptly lose a couple of workers
Turn 5 -- 550 AD
Trond Spear > Spear
Cop Zerk > Zerk
Reyk Galley > Zerk
Palace expansion!

Zerk kills MI
Zerk kills Warrior

Attack on Herakleia: Zerk beats Hop, Zerk beats Hop, Zerk beat Longbowmen--Herakleia is ours! No promotions, tho

Turn 6 -- 560 AD
IT: We take some casualties
Trond Spear>Zerk
Bergen Zerk>Zerk
Stock Zerk>Zerk
Birka Zerk>Zerk
We capture two Greek workers...
Zerk beats Warrior, now Elite
Zerk beats Longbowman, now Elite
Zerk beats Swordsman

Turn 7 -- 570 AD
Aarhus Zerk>Zerk
Assault on Mycenae: Hoplite beats Zerk, Zerk beats Hoplite (now Elite), Zerk beats Hoplite...Mycenae is ours!

Turn 8 -- 580 AD
Golden Age is over
Attack on Pharsolos: Zerk beats Hoplite, Zerk beats Hoplite, Pharsalos is ours!

Turn 9 -- 590 AD
Reyk Zerk>Zerk
Oslo Zerk>Zerk
Greeks are building Sistine?!?

Turn 10 -- 600 AD
Assault on Knossos: Zerk beats Musketman, Zerk beats Hop, Knossos is ours!
Attack on Ephesus: OURS! +4 Workers!

Ok, War Weariness is kicking in...I think we should consolidate our gains...

I'm going to take one more turn, so that I can take Sparta and see if I can force better peace terms

Turn 11 -- 610 AD
Sparta falls. We control the Great Lighthouse!

I make peace with Greece, and get Chivalry and Gunpowder for my pains.

I'm going to let the next player finish up after my mess (sorry )...our troops will need to be moved, and our seaborne troops redistributed. More trading should probably happen...I leave it up to Aggie.


http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/CTR0-610AD.SAV

 

[ChrTh]

Let me clarify: in Turn 11, all I did was assault Sparta and make peace with Greece, no other moves were performed.

 

[Aggie]

Zerks are powerful, aren't they?

 

[ChrTh]

Originally posted by Aggie
Zerks are powerful, aren't they?

They suck at defense, tho

 

[Aggie]

Originally posted by ChrTh


They suck at defense, tho

That's right. Therefore it is necessary to send pikes or muskets with them...

Got it by the way

 

[ChrTh]

Man, the forums is all screwed up with the times....

Ok, Aggie has it, pdescobar on deck...

 

[Aggie]

Our troops had a bit of training in Greece. Should we continue vs Carthage or the Celts?

Also I'd say that we don't have to research:

1 - Military Tradition: We aren't allowed to use cavalry to take out cities
2- Printing Press - Democracy: Democracy is not worth it

In short: Let's get to the industrial age asap to research the required techs for our modern war.

 

[ChrTh]

I would agree with that assessment. As for next target, I'm thinking Carthage first, because the boats are more or less in position. After Carthage, finish up Greece (well, the coast anyway) and then the Celts.

We should probably rush Temples; those coastal cities might flip (unless we have another way to prevent it?)

 

[Aggie]

Oslo is also under a lot of cultural pressure. I agree with the culture rush.

 

[Aggie]

Chr Th: You did great We captured 4 cities and still have 37 berserks left

Turn 1 (610 AD): I see that we are not trading at all. However, the Ottomans have something to offer: Education. I buy it for 625 gold and world map. We are the proud tech leaders now
I hurry cathedrals in Oslo and Aarhus for a total of 1100 gold. We are under a lot of cultural pressure there. I hurry a spear in Ephesus for 86 gold.

IT: Greece wants us out. We say that we will do that.

Turn 2 (620 AD) Oslo and Aarhus start marketplaces. Income is vital. A temple is rushed in Knossos for 224 gold.

IT: Greece now demands us to leave. We comply.

Turn 3 (630 AD) Pharsalos and Sparta rush-build a temple for a total of 420 gold. Troops are positioned. A couple of berserks builds switched to muskets.

Turn 4, 5 (640, 650 AD)

Turn 5, 6 (660 - 670 AD) Preparations. Hannibal gets the message that we are at war

Turn 8 (680 AD) Theveste costs us two berserks, but we manage to take the city. Carthage was also difficult, and our two berserks fail to capture the town.

IT: No real counterattack from Hannibal.

Turn 9 (690 AD) Carthage is finally captured, no real losses. We now own the Colossus.

IT: A Carthaginian knight kills a berserk near Birka.

Turn 10 (700 AD) Troops move north and kill a few Carthaginian units in our teritory.

IT: A couple of troops move towards Birka.

Turn 11 (710 AD) Leptis Magna is captured without casualties.

In this final turn I only captured Leptis Magna. The rest of the troops can still be moved. We only have Leptis Minor to grab from the Carthaginians (at least, that is what I would do). The other towns are far to the north, so maybe we should aim for the Celts first. After that we should be able to make peace.

Question: are we allowed to get a (non-coastal) city from Carthage for peace?

710 AD save

 

[ChrTh]

I was considering that question, and while it wouldn't violate the letter of the variant, it might violate the spirit...that being said, I have no problem

pdescobar, let's take care of this Carthaginian menace

 

[ChrTh]

Ok, here's what I see happening:
We should take out all of the coastal Carthaginian cities, and then as part of the peace get those two cities up on the island to the NW. Then we take out the Celts (all but two are coastal), then mop up the two remaining coastal cities.

The reason I think we need to do this is because Persia has more room to grow than we do, and if they decide to take out the Aztecs, they may become powerful (we also might want to encourage the Ottomans to work against them). The NW island is important as it will be the staging area for an assault on Persia. (we can probably get Thessalonika from Greece for peace after we attack them again)

 

[ChrTh]

One mo' thang:

I tested making Peace with the Uticans ( ), and this is what I found:
of the four "colony" cities, they would accept a deal for Peace that included one of them...except for Oea. There's probably a resource that we can't see there...lousy cheating AI...

 

[pdescobar]

Hmm, ok. Beat on Carthage and extort as many of their land cities as I can, with priority to the NW island. Then start to beat the celts down to probably just the capital since I think it's land-locked and will not be an option for trade. I think I can handle that. I may not get it played for a few days, though.

 

[ChrTh]

'sok, take your time

 

[ChrTh]

1 mo' thang:
Make peace with Carthage and wait a turn or two before fighting the Celts (or enough time to get troops in position); we need to get that War Weariness diminished before we go in again, especially since the Celts have more cities (we may end up fighting them, taking some of their cities, finishing up Greece, then finishing up Celts, but we'll see...)

 

[Aggie]

ChrTh, I agree with you that we have to wait. But not for war weariness. You have war weariness from the war vs Carthage and Greece. This ends once peace is made. So if we would get into war with Greece again before the 20 turns of peace are over, we'll have war weariness again. We did fight the Celts a long time ago. That war weariness is already gone.

I'd say wait a bit to heal and position the troops.

 

[ChrTh]

@Aggie, ah ok, I thought War Weariness was cumulative across opponents, not only tied specifically to one opponent

 

[pdescobar]

Update: I'll be playing this morning/afternoon EDT

EDIT: Make that definitely this afternoon as I just found out I need to help my uncle open his pool this morning...