Cultivating a dose of Anglophilia!

[Öjevind Lång]

(a.) 'Fingers crossed' for you Mutineer, and all those who may be affected by this.

(b.) Ojevind - I'm disappointed that you feel out of your depth. It was not supposed to discourage you at all - but this 'best ball' approach gives us all a bit of an opportunity to try things out and evaluate what works or what doesn't work, and learn from our mistakes or our very occasional brilliant insights! I'm pleased that you're just skipping this round however. I have learned a lot myself from this SG, and hope you guys (and KMad if you're still there?) have too.

I'm sorry about not doing my part this round, but, frankly I didn't know what to do with a latish war which i would have tried to avoid (perhaps foolishly so). But believe me when I say that I have learned a lot from following this SG, and that I'll try my best with the current save.

Incidentally, how do you people feel about running Representation, especially if you manage to build the Pyramids first? Aren't they pretty good for a long time, even in a cutural game?

 

[Mutineer]

well, it passed, some damage, soma madslides, but not too bad. I even did not lost my internet.

I am not advacading to base it only on artists, but to compliment it with artists, and hire some artists in other big food excess cities to produce more GA's.

 

[cabert]

about the 100 turns at 100%, it's just my own rul eof thumb.
If I need more than that, it's certainly unwise to lower my guard (= techs).
I want to always have a chance in a war when my neighbours are of the painful kind .

The idea is indeed to tech a bit further and build/$rush temples and cathedrals to get the number of turns needed down.

 

[cabert]

Well, I did not lost it internet yet.
To live with out internet is imposible! One would have to go out and there +30+35 outside!

+30° is very nice on the beach .

Spoiler :

By my estimation it is from 60 to 80 turns to win from save I posted.

I tried and (Although not following your indications) only managed a 1862 AD win. In my humble opinion, there is just too much infra lacking for a 80 turns win.
I'd be pleased to be proved wrong and see it done.

 

[Cam_H]

Incidentally, how do you people feel about running Representation, especially if you manage to build the Pyramids first? Aren't they pretty good for a long time, even in a cutural game?

The way I normally play (which I'm the first to admit may not be perfect!), I've found that The Pyramids > Representation is a massive kick-start regardless of the intended victory type - even for the at the start, let alone embracing an early-game Specialist Economy and the towards Great Engineers. For a while I thought that choosing an Industrial leader and chasing The Pyramids was the Civ4 'game breaker' tactic, but the odd bad experience has taught me otherwise . I still think that it's a strong move if the conditions are right.

Right now in this game I believe that Universal Suffrage has more to offer; where the capacity to hurry religious builds (without sacrificing population) arguably outweighs the extra science from the specialists.
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Welcome back Cabert! I'm glad at least one of us is seeing some decent warm weather.

 

[Ozbenno]

Well I'm back and catching up on what I've missed in the last week.

Well done to mrchadt for winning the last round.

I'll play from the next save selected.

 

[mice]

I just realized that I put stupa in Rome, that isn't going for legendary

Wow. I must have been hyped up about the war. Still there are enough cities for a fourth stupa.

 

[mrchadt]

Sorry I'm having trouble understanding peoples votes, please could you make it clear how you are assigning your votes.
eg. Best=name.x = 3 point
second=name.y = 2 point
third= name.z= 1 point
I dont know if a 1 signifies 1st choice(best) or 3rd choice. Sorry for my ignorance.

 

[mrchadt]

Rereading Cam_H's original post has made it clear, my apologies. No need to amend your votes.
Just waiting for 1 more.

 

[mice]

I think I helped the confusion on that one a few pages ago, and Pigswill put it right

It is 3 = best game.

 

[Cam_H]

I just realized that I put stupa in Rome, that isn't going for legendary

Wow. I must have been hyped up about the war. Still there are enough cities for a fourth stupa.

... which is one reason why I didn't merge my Great Artists into a city!

I wasn't sure if it was Antium or Rome that was going to be our third.

I still like Rome if it's going to be used as the Great Artist farm.

 

[mrchadt]

The votes are in, and the winner is....
mutineer. Congratulations.
Well it was in fact a draw but with the deciding vote I chose mutineer's. But I won't say who it was drawn with unless someone wants to know.
It was a very interesting round of voting with all 4 saves being given 3 points by one voter.

 

[mice]

Congrats Mutineer. So we have two more turnsets of 40, ending within the 80 turns if you believe Mutineer, and extended past the 80 to a win , if you believe Cabert.

I wonder which it will be .

 

[cabert]

Congrats Mutineer. So we have two more turnsets of 40, ending within the 80 turns if you believe Mutineer, and extended past the 80 to a win , if you believe Cabert.

I wonder which it will be .

I didn't put much thoughts into this finish and it was my first "game" for my return, don't sue me if someone manages a 50 turns win .
I must say it's pretty easy from this save. In fact I believe nothing can go wrong other than forgetting to push the slider (which happened to me ).

 

[Mutineer]

Well, tomorrow is japanise holliday and I have nothing to do, so I played 40 turns.

Spoiler :

Follow my plan, not too preciselly. Got bottlenecked because forgot to spread hinduism. still, at 1820 save(40 turns froom now) I am less then 18 turns to win, subject to luck with GA's. So, I was actially a bit pessimistic with my 60-80 turns assestment. With some more precision it possible to move it 5 turns or more early.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/84898/Elizabeth_the_Cultured_AD-1820.CivWarlordsSave

 

[cabert]

Hum, I think I miscounted the turns. Must be the sun, that burnt my brain.
I won in 1862 and this is less than 80 turns from 1650 .
I tried again from mutineer's last save, with my eyes open and did better

 

[mice]

Whadaya say Cam ? Should we play to a win? 60 -70 turns remaining.

Playing to a win will show who has the best skill at managing a Cultural end game.

Voting on the next 40 would just be about counting up temples etc it seems to me but I might be missing something. As we are playing 'best ball' we wouldn't vote on a save with any serious complications, so a win is assured. Just comes down to who does it better.

 

[Ozbenno]

Whadaya say Cam ? Should we play to a win? 60 -70 turns remaining.

Playing to a win will show who has the best skill at managing a Cultural end game.

Voting on the next 40 would just be about counting up temples etc it seems to me but I might be missing something. As we are playing 'best ball' we wouldn't vote on a save with any serious complications, so a win is assured. Just comes down to who does it better.

Good point and the last turns will just be spent pressing enter (hopefully).

 

[Cam_H]

Sounds like a good idea that has the roster's support!

OK - we'll play this game out to the end, so Mutineer - more Civ time!

Bizarre voting, but understandable. I had my clear favourite, but working out #2 and #3 strongest submissions was very challenging. Both this round and last round were very difficult to decide 'minor' placings to. I think it's really encouraging given that we have a mix of players who are 'comfortable' at so many different levels.

 

[Mutineer]

Well played to the end, save 1 turn befor victory.

Spoiler :

1848, 54 turns from save. could be done a bit faster.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/84898/Elizabeth_the_Cultured_AD-1846.CivWarlordsSave