Culture Problem

[ggganz]

I have a problem. My borders are not expanding how they should. I was in the 3rd stage of culture, but it looked like this:
Is it a bug?

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Borders don't expand as well over water, not a bug

 

[Gyhth]

The dark blue can't be taken by culture. Consider it international waters

Light blue is sort of like coast lines which you can control, but the dark blue is like international waters - no one has control over them.

 

[ggganz]

If you mean ocean, look closer, bad quality. But if you think, you would know that I ALREADY HAVE FIVE OCEAN SQUARES!!!

 

[KrikkitTwo]

It does expand over ocean, just not as well. I think the rule is you can only get ocean tiles that are adjacent to sea tiles, or something to the effect that it can't spread two tiles over ocean, only one.....you will never have those tiles I believe.

 

[MrCynical]

No bug here. Borders don't expand far over water. The general rule seems to be that if the tile cannot ever fall into the "fat cross" of a city (i.e. is too far from land for this to ever happen), it can never be cultured. If you mouseover the tile or turn on the yield display you'll find there are actually two types of ocean, one which gives food and trade (and hence is close enough to land for cities to use) and one which gives absolutely nothing, as it can never be used. Tiles that fall into the latter category can never be in your cultural radius, so you'll never get those three tiles indicated in the screenshot.

A general rule of thumb is that if it's more than two tiles from the shore, it's unclaimable international waters.

 

[naterator]

No bug here. Borders don't expand far over water. The general rule seems to be that if the tile cannot ever fall into the "fat cross" of a city (i.e. is too far from land for this to ever happen), it can never be cultured. If you mouseover the tile or turn on the yield display you'll find there are actually two types of ocean, one which gives food and trade (and hence is close enough to land for cities to use) and one which gives absolutely nothing, as it can never be used. Tiles that fall into the latter category can never be in your cultural radius, so you'll never get those three tiles indicated in the screenshot.

A general rule of thumb is that if it's more than two tiles from the shore, it's unclaimable international waters.

funny thing though, sometimes it will spread across international waters onto coastal waters across a bay.

 

[ggganz]

I really think that it is a bug. Why would it be able to do that (see above post)? Those squares proabably do belong to you, but you can't see that. Has anyone seen another Civ's galleon go in there without open borders or war?

 

[naterator]

nope. i definitly couldn't send my galleys across. i believe mr. cynical's right, that the "deep ocean" with no food/gold output is never anybody's.

 

[ggganz]

No, i mean does it prevent Galleons from going due to territory issues

 

[naterator]

i don't remember, but since galleys can cross deep water inside culture, not to mention that it didn't say my name when i moused over the tiles, i assume i didn't own them.

actually, since this game was just me vs. the barbarians, there were no other civilizations to send ships.

 

[ggganz]

How can you have you v.s. Barbs, no one else?

 

[naterator]

just turn off conquest and start a game with no opponents.

 

[ggganz]

You are weird. Why would anyone want to do that?

 

[naterator]

Why would anyone want to do that?

try it on diety with raging barbarians. good for a change of pace.

 

[ggganz]

Yes, but you would always win, right? One more post in reply because this is becoming very

 

[naterator]

Yes, but you would always win, right? One more post in reply because this is becoming very

obviously you've never seen what raging barbarians look like on diety. although this shot is with a mod i made that makes barbarians way tougher, even without it, they swarm like ants and can easily overrun you if you're not careful.

 

[ggganz]

O.K. breaking my rule, sorry.
How can the Barb win? It's not that it doesn't have what it takes, but how CAN it be possible? They don't get a score. One more post.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Well they can't win, but you can lose. (making it impossible for you to win... since you need to survive to 2050 to get a time win... same with all the others you have to at least survive for a while to get them)

 

[ggganz]

Alright, I don't want the moderators in here, so no more please.