curch and state

[Vietcong]

well, im watching a tv show on it now. and it shocks, and furthermore scares me that thear is a extreamist, cristian theocratic movement.. ther goles is aperantly to base laws of the cristan faith, and to prevent america from alowing people to do what thay want. and the "preveting people frome doing what thay want" is a quat from one of these theocrats him self!!
now, them being cristan is all fine and dandy. i dont care what religion u are, i cont care if ur muslim, buddhist, satinist, or what ever.
but, to me to prevent people from doing what thay wish, or forceing cristan belifes onto other religons. i must admit, this is a crishtan world, and all over the place ther are crishtian influecns on people. y shold cristans have the right to hurash minority religons *direcly or indirecly* by haveiny prayers in schools, or copys of the 10 commandments on the walls. think of the non cristan kid, the hinddu or buddhist with these cristan influences. it will more or less "brain wash" *useing the word lightly* that chiled to be cristan. we must treat all religons equal, rather its the larges one in the usa, or the smallest cult that worships satin. we shold traet them as thay are equals. as if ther is no difrents between the religons.
as for laws guided by relgion or faith, i say lets use logic, and what is logicly right or wrong. rather then blind faith, with i see as a singe of ignorance, lets use intelagence, and logic.
i am shocked at the blind faith, the hatered and further more full pursacution that cristans are showing to non cristans, or liberial cristans.
this for me, is a last staw.
what do u think about a more cristan based theocratic america??

edit: IF U VOTE, PLZ EXPLAIN YOUR AWSER!!!

 

[Erik Mesoy]

*groan*

I predict: You won't even get a debate, except for the sarcastic people here. A theocratic america is a uniformly bad idea.

 

[Vietcong]

*groan*

I predict: You won't even get a debate, except for the sarcastic people here. A theocratic america is a uniformly bad idea.

fully agreed. but it seems to, unfortantly, be a posiblity more and more every day. something must be done.
allso, many of the founding fathers whear not cristan. some whear deist, and i know bin franklin was him self an athist.

 

[GenMarshall]

Combination of State and Church is a bad Idea and will create a Theocracy.

 

[A'AbarachAmadan]

I think the left and right have gone nuts and are hindering freedom.

The right stops gay-marriage. The left stops the Boyscouts from using public parks.

Both seem ridiculous to me. To bad we can't promote more freedom for all instead of less freedom for those I don't agree with.

 

[Hundegesicht]

Here you go, dude :

Well, I’m watching a TV show on it [Separation of Church and State] now. And it shocks me, and furthermore scares me that there is an extremist, Christian theocratic movement. Their goal is apparently to legislate laws of the Christian faith, and to prevent America from allowing people to do what they want. And "preventing people from doing what they want" is a quote from one of these Theocrats himself!
Now, they being Christian is all fine and dandy. I don’t care what religion you are, I don’t care if you’re Muslim, Buddhist, Satanist, or whatever.

But, to me, preventing people from doing what they wish to do, or forcing Christian beliefs onto other religions [is wrong].

I must admit, this is a Christian world, and all over the place there are Christian influences on people. But why should Christians have the right to harass minority religions (directly or indirectly) by holding prayers in schools, or copies of the 10 commandments on the walls?

Think of the non Christian kid, the Hindu or Buddhist with these Christian influences. It [the influences] will more or less coerce that child to be Christian.

We must treat all religions equally, no matter if it’s the largest religion in the USA, or the smallest cult that worships Satan. We should treat them as if they are equals. As if there is no difference between the religions.

As for laws guided by religion or faith, I say let’s use logic, and what is logically right or wrong. Rather then blind faith, which I see as a sign of ignorance, lets use intelligence, and logic.

I am shocked at the blind faith, the hatred, and further more full persecution that [conservative] Christians are showing to non Christians, or liberal Christians.

For me, this is the last straw.
What do you think about a more Christian-based theocratic America??

Edit: If you vote, please explain your answer!

Use that to replace the original post if you want.

It took me a while in some places to figure out what you were saying, though. You might want to invest in a spellchecker or use one of those free internet ones. You're not stupid at all, but many people (including myself) skip over your posts a lot because it's very frustrating to read though all of the errors.

 

[Sims2789]

I think the left and right have gone nuts and are hindering freedom.

The right stops gay-marriage. The left stops the Boyscouts from using public parks.

Both seem ridiculous to me. To bad we can't promote more freedom for all instead of less freedom for those I don't agree with.

The far, far-left stops the Boy Scouts from using public parks. The moderate right stops gay marriage. That's the difference. Not to mention the fact that the Boy Scouts are a discriminatory organization, whereas legalizing gay marriage does not hurt anyone (That is not to say that I think that Boy Scouts shouldn't be allowed to use public parks, on the contrary.).

 

[Greek Stud]

Freedom of Religion

is different than

Church and State

You can legislate laws off of religous beliefs. This is actually from Judeo-Christian Philosophy that the Constitution was founded on.

Come on, what is next from people that fear religion? That the word God writen in the Constitution is unConstitutional?

The Founding Fathers seem to have been enlightened compared to the popular liberal views of today. Freedom from a cultural law, which religion is culture and order, can not be forbidden. There are reasons that a government must look at religion for laws.

1.Religion was the first type of government. The tribe use to believe the Cheif was God; after they believed he was part-God; then they believed he spoke to God; then the church formation governed in a council similar to these rulers. Basically, religious philosophies cannot be ignored when you look at Governing Laws.

2. If you have unclear philosophies in the genre of laws you adopt, your laws become vague. Look at the issue of marriage. Marriage is law that is defined. New liberal philosophies are defining Marriage Law on the basis of an emotion (Love) instead of on the basis of classification. I don't care if Polygamists, Gays, or animals get married. But people need to understand the legal classification of marriage. Using the Judeo-Christian Philosophies does not combine those Churches with the State. The Pope does not enforce, write or intrepret that law. It is a philosophy which is adopted. Marriage law must classify the types of marriages into genres. In Gay marriage you cannot procreate within the marriage, it is a different classification. Legalities become so diverse and conditional over property, children and taxes. There must be a direction the country follows. It does not imply that others are not or should not be able to choose their life. Like in Northern Arizona you can become Polygamist, and there are laws that govern its behavior there. But what philosophy and historical legal reference do you use in those cases. You have to look to something. Christianity philosophy was the beginning laws towards freedom. THe Byzantine Empire was the first to adopt Freedom of Religion and it was a Church and State Empire. It was also first to allow for WOmen Rights.

This country was founded on stricter Christian ideals than what these groups are advocating. And since our culture is on the sexual moral decay of open sex, open marriage, group sex, tv sex, children dating in kindergarden, internet porn, people always talking about sex. I mean why isn't this seen as a threat? Our natural health is at stake from diseases and viruses. How are laws influenced by Philosophies threatening?

I want to ask your opinions on the Athiest influences of not allowing any prayer. When children are not allowed to practice their families beliefs because the public arena must be Atheist. Does this not promote Athiesm? The more Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic, Jewish, Christian, Animist are all pulled away from practicing their religious rights in public, the more the Atheist lifestyle is promoted. Does this not favor Atheist idealogies over Christian idealogies? When I look at a Church with a cross on its roof, is that threatening? Just as threatening with a building with a company logo on it...

Public incorporation of religion is a projection of its history and culture. The more you remove Christian Symbols and leave the Pagan symbols on the Los Angeles coat, the more it represents the Pagan American. If you removing the Pagan symbols, the more you promote Atheism. Public buildings and place should not restrict the freedoms of its people nor their culture. Telling muslim women to remove their headscarves is ridiculous, embarassing, and French. Telling children not to wear crosses in school is oppressive. Christians should not be forced back underground like the times of Rome, just as Atheists should not be forced out of public opinion. But the Atheist agenda should not be to limit the freedoms of Christian Americans.

Dont read this as if I was being emotional because I am already over it and I'm going downstairs to watch WifeSwap. Amin. I can write that in a public forum because we are in America BTW. In Turkey you cannot write Amin. Christianity is limited there. Por ejemple. I'm out.

 

[DBear]

Y'all sound like you had The Handmaid's Tale assigned in your English class. Really, kiddies, we've had plenty of other opportunities to turn theocratic and it hasn't happened. Don't worry your little heads about it.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Judeo-Christian Philosophy that the Constitution was founded on.

It's not. The Founding Fathers included several Masons and other quasi religions. The word "God" is a general deist reference.

That the word God writen in the Constitution is unConstitutional?

Didn't this already happen somewhere? I could swear there was a thread on it that went by a while ago.

America has enough counterweights on every side to stop this happening for a while.

 

[Goober]

I don't care. So long as you guys don't start rounding up people that your poor interpretation of bible says are bad, and put them in cages, and burn them alive or whatever, then i don't care.

I am a Canadian, I don't really give a flying baseball about what you do, so long as you are nice neighbours to us, and continue to trade with us, you can mis-interpret the Bible any damn way you please.