Deadlocks in Debates

[ParadigmShifter]

Most people who engage in quote wars have lost the debate and are just nitpicking semantics to deflect attention from valid points they prefer not to address.

 

[Mise]

Guess what? Threads end. Get over it and move on.

And to paraphrase a quote I read recently in that book 'stuff my dad says'. 'If this issue is kicking your butt that bad, I got bad news for you in life....'

Doesn't mean you have to ruin them for everyone else with juvenile nitpicking.

Plural "you", btw.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Or "ya'll" if you're from the South.

But it does destroy the thread and any legit debates still left in it.

 

[El_Machinae]

One of the options is to put some of the worst offenders on ignore. If these worst offenders have a history of actually having nothing of value to say, and are seriously detrimental to your enjoyment of the forum, then they're best ignored. It takes a little bit of willpower to not peak as much as you're curious, but the long-run benefit is that you can have good discussions with people who are also ignoring half (or more) of the painful posts.

When they say something that's quotable, you'll see their comments in the quoted box. Sometimes, you'll be encouraged to figure out what their whole comment was, and 'view post'. Other times, you'll giggle with delight that you don't have to read the majority of their posts.

Now, I don't like the 'rep' system, but my anecdote is a teeny one. It seemed like they're too prone to bully squads. I like the 'like post' option, though.

 

[Mise]

For that to work you'd need a majority of people to ignore a handful of posters. How is that any better than a "bully squad"? How is that not just the epitome of elitism?

And it still does nothing to address the actual problem. There's no feedback. Ignored users don't know how bad their posts are. With a rep system, there is a mechanism for improving behaviour.

And what if a user does improves his posts? Dom3k, to take a recent self-identified example in OT (not quote-wars, but similarly "bad" posting), has indeed improved his posting since April last year. But I would never know, and I would never read any of his posts now, if I had him on ignore based on his April posting style.

And that's just when it works!

 

[ParadigmShifter]

I agree.

Ignoring people is bad since you can't argue against their nonsense. New members are going to get the wrong idea about this site.

EDIT: Not sure about the rep system though. Just ban the worst offenders.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Or kick them out of the thread at least.

 

[Perfection]

I am only a PM away too!

And remember, it's okay to PM both of us! No need to choose one over the other!

 

[Hygro]

For that to work you'd need a majority of people to ignore a handful of posters. How is that any better than a "bully squad"? How is that not just the epitome of elitism?

And it still does nothing to address the actual problem. There's no feedback. Ignored users don't know how bad their posts are. With a rep system, there is a mechanism for improving behaviour.

And what if a user does improves his posts? Dom3k, to take a recent self-identified example in OT (not quote-wars, but similarly "bad" posting), has indeed improved his posting since April last year. But I would never know, and I would never read any of his posts now, if I had him on ignore based on his April posting style.

And that's just when it works!

This is so coldly logical it makes me warm inside.

 

[useless]

Guess what? Threads end. Get over it and move on.

And to paraphrase a quote I read recently in that book 'stuff my dad says'. 'If this issue is kicking your butt that bad, I got bad news for you in life....'

but your the worst offender on this forum (Literally) when it comes to quote wars

 

[MobBoss]

but your the worst offender on this forum (Literally) when it comes to quote wars

Not really, but you (or others) saying such things surely doesnt help, and in fact, probably contributes to it far more than anything I do.

 

[useless]

not really since i rarely engage in them, especially when compared to you.

 

[MobBoss]

not really since i rarely engage in them, especially when compared to you.

You engage in it all the time from what I see. Especially over topics your emotional about, like homosexuality.

You want to deny it? /whatever. But you dont have any moral highground over me in this area.

 

[useless]

uh i actually rarely engage in "quote warring" and actually i do have the moral highground considering how you are the worst offender and threads are literally destroyed by your quote wars with an ally of mine who certainly isn't free from blame either

your the main cause of it, YOU are the problem (in terms of the amount of threads/posts spent quote warring), sorry if you can't realise that by now but you deserve to be called out for it so that you can grow as a poster and improve, that is what we all want.

 

[MobBoss]

uh i actually rarely engage in "quote warring" and actually i do have the moral highground considering how you are the worst offender and threads are literally destroyed by your quote wars with an ally of mine who certainly isn't free from blame either

your the main cause of it, YOU are the problem, sorry if hou can't realise that by now but you deserve to be called out for it

Not by you I dont. And what you do right here is directly against the TOS itself. I am not the offender here. I dont go around pointing my finger at people calling them 'the problem'. I have far more maturity and tolerance than to do that. Sounds more to me like your just exhibiting the clique-ish behavior often seen in these threads by mentioning your 'ally'. If the powers that be only want to allow a forum that allows such groups to exist or to have a singular point of view, then so be it, its their site. But until that happens, I suggest a lot less finger pointing and complaining on your part would go a long way in making OT a much happier place to begin with.

And there I have said it. Its not peoples post styles, arguments or quote wars that make OT a less happy place. Its the friggin thin skinned whiners who think they are somehow entitled to tell others how to post, how to think, and how to act. Thats quite simply a moderators job and not anyone elses.

And btw, your enganging in what you accuse me of right here, right now. Which is part of my point precisely and also why you certainly dont carry any moral highground at all in this situation.

EDIT: I see below that you are determined to play some forum version of 'I touched you last'. To that I say, no thanks. What I just said in this particular post sums the entire issue up quite nicely to the point that nothing else needs to be added.

 

[useless]

or you could stop/reduce the quote wars

what "clique"?

you speak of maturity, but it's ironic how you act just as childish as those that you try to "educate"

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

So I'm a "thin skinned weiner," eh?

 

[useless]

You still don't get it, because in your mind everyone else is wrong and only you are correct and right and we're all trolls and in cliques in an attempt to destroy you or some other unprovable gibberish which you seem to convey in your posts.

Your arguments are pedantic, rooted in purely technical semantic arguing and very liberal use of quotes.

Perhaps you don't realise or understand how it is YOU who is spearheading this culture and over-using of quotes, YOU who's the most prolific user of them, YOU (and Formaldehyde) who engage in repetitive OMC arguments in which you excellently display my exact point that it is YOU who is the worst in regards to this issue.

This isn't an attack on you, I have no intention to do such a thing, but I am tired of watching you and others engaging in petty quote wars, and no i won't ignore you, because that is the quitters way out, that would be immature. I have class and I will hear your arguments out, but you need to stray away from the over-usage of quotes because believe it or not, alot of people dislike you for the exact reason that we are arguing over.

Edit: Bloody hell, are you really that childish? This isn't a "game" of who molested who, but advice for you. Stop being defensive and understand that if USELESS is telling you that there is a problem, you need to seriously evaluate what you are doing and perhaps take steps to remedy this problem because I can assure you that there are many beyond myself who take issue with your over-use of quotes and quote-warring that you (yes you do) engage in.

Moderator Action: Flaming - warned.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

I wouldn't mind a Petty quotewar.

Serious: I dont want people to accuse each other in this thread. Might get it closed.

 

[useless]

I was responding to Mobboss, Aimee.