Deity game
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Sorry about this folks long time lurker, short time poster on this site and trying to attach my save with great difficulty. Not that it is worth looking at 
The save is showing on the attach files but my problem is moving it from there into the post. I think I've worked it out looking at the preview post, so here goes:
The save is showing on the attach files but my problem is moving it from there into the post. I think I've worked it out looking at the preview post, so here goes:
Thrar:
Concerning my settling plans:
I voted for the hill, because
a) it´s a hill (helps defending the city against barbs)
b) the distance between city 2 and 3 is 5 tiles, after first borderpop of those cities there is only 1 tile left between them (4 tiles would be better, but like this, Salat very likely wont squeeze a city in because he will evaluate other spots better)
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@ all:
This round closes today. Next round starts tomorrow. Please don´t post any saves and infos about second round BEFORE tomorrow.
For those that have missed the start of this game and second round has already started: No problem joining later, simply play the two rounds youself to catch up or play on from any save you like... ...there are quite a lot of them around
If someone is willing to do a short summary about the first turnset... ...this is your BIG chance, everybody would love you for doing it
Concerning my settling plans:
I voted for the hill, because
a) it´s a hill (helps defending the city against barbs)
b) the distance between city 2 and 3 is 5 tiles, after first borderpop of those cities there is only 1 tile left between them (4 tiles would be better, but like this, Salat very likely wont squeeze a city in because he will evaluate other spots better)
...
@ all:
This round closes today. Next round starts tomorrow. Please don´t post any saves and infos about second round BEFORE tomorrow.
For those that have missed the start of this game and second round has already started: No problem joining later, simply play the two rounds youself to catch up or play on from any save you like... ...there are quite a lot of them around
If someone is willing to do a short summary about the first turnset... ...this is your BIG chance, everybody would love you for doing it
DMOC
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Well, I don't have much to do this morning so I guess I could do this.
Round 1 Summary: Turns 1 to 40 (4000 BC to 2400 BC)
Total number of saves: 15
1. Qwertz
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Animal Husbandry.
Summary: Found Isabella and Saladin and will need to REX well to take up land. Has already built first settler.
2. Rusten
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Sailing in progress.
Summary: Found all 3 civs on continent with Isabella and Saladin having conflicting religions. Plans to settle the spices city south and will forgo the Pyramids this game.
3. Betruger
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Mysticism (1 turn left).
Summary: Met all 3 civs, with Isabella and Saladin having conflicting religions. Plans to settle 3 cities, the first one being the closest towards the AI's. Grew the capital to size 5 and has a settler due in 7 turns.
4. CellKu
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture (hut) - Mining - Bronze Working - The Wheel - Pottery (2 turns).
Summary: Wants to build library ASAP so will target Writing technology. Already has first settler near second city site so was the fastest of us (I believe) to get the settler out. Did not meet Julius but Saladin and Isabella, as usual, have conflicting religions. Built a worker - archer - settler - archer.
5. Gr8scott
Research path: Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Masonry (1 turn).
Summary: Has plans for building the Great Wall to eliminate any barbarian problems, and is almost ready to build it (prechopped many forests in the capital to prepare for this). Not popping Archery must have been a bummer.
6. Snaaty
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture - The Wheel - Pottery - Mining - Bronze Working (5 turns).
Summary: Did not meet Julius Caesar but Isabella and Saladin once again have conflicting religions. Settled in place (wanted to move towards stone). Capital build was worker - Archer x2 - Settler (6 turns). Plan is to create two cities ASAP then backfill the tundra land later. Has a unique research path as well.
7. Druidravi
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture (hut) - Mining - Bronze Working - The Wheel - Animal Husbandry (5 turns).
Summary: Settled one south of starting location. Settler in 5 turns after building 4 archers. Undecided about Pyramids, but does plan to build 2 blocking cities. And once again, Saladin is Hindu and Isabella is Buddhist.
8. DMOC (me)
Research path: Archery (hut) - Sailing (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - The Wheel (3 turns).
Summary: Buddhist Isabella and Hindu Saladin are around. Plans to build two blocking cities but may want to settle a city further south. Will likely whip settler then create Archer and another worker and settler. No need for roads as Sailing will connect my river cities. Will likely not build Pyramids.
9. Shyuhe
Research path: The Wheel (hut) - Mysticism (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Archery (1 turn).
Summary: Settled in place. Isabella-Saladin situation is the same. Settler is already completed and will found second city. Plan will be to build some more archers for defense before building more workers and settlers.
10. Mahatmajon
Research path: Agriculture - The Wheel - Mining - Masonry - Bronze Working.
Summary: Is almost done with the Great Wall and is using that to assist barb protection. Will create settler soon to settle a second city. Also settled 1 south for stone. Unfortunately, archery hut was ... a map hut instead.
11. Unconquered Sun
Research path: Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Animal Husbandry - Archery.
Summary: Settled one south and made 2 workers before a settler. Isabella for some reason failed to found anything. Is Justinian or Charlemagne on the other continent or something? Also, did not pop any techs.
12. Turinturambar
Research path: Unknown.
Summary: It looks like a hard game as being cornered in by two barbarian cities is not so good.
13. Thrar
Research path: Agriculture - Archery - Mining - Bronze Working - The Wheel.
Summary: Did not pop any techs unfortunately. Saladin also failed to found a religion. There's got to be another religious civ out there. He got a random event granting cover to all melee units (Archery bonus) which gives an incentive for war. The settler is almost done for second city. Plans on cottaging capital and running specialists in the second city which will also serve as blocking purposes.
14. ungy
Research path: Agriculture - Mining - Archery - Bronze Working - The Wheel.
Summary: Settled one south and didn't pop techs. Saladin and Isabella situation is same. Plans on getting 2 cities to the south ASAP since the two AI's are quite close.
15. Sleepless
Research path: Archery (hut) - The Wheel (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Animal Husbandry (3 turns).
Summary: A barbarian city has unfortunately ruined any plans for a production city south. Saladin/Isabella situation same. Whipped a settler after a few archers. Hopes to find horses close.
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OVERALL SUMMARY:
Interesting how a lot of people got archery from the first hut, but got different techs from a second hut if any. Also, Isabella and Saladin not founding Buddhism and Hinduism in some games makes it likely there is another religious civ out there.
Generally, most people are almsot done with their first settler or are done with it and plan to block the north for themselves.
Round 1 Summary: Turns 1 to 40 (4000 BC to 2400 BC)
Total number of saves: 15
1. Qwertz
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Animal Husbandry.
Summary: Found Isabella and Saladin and will need to REX well to take up land. Has already built first settler.
2. Rusten
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Sailing in progress.
Summary: Found all 3 civs on continent with Isabella and Saladin having conflicting religions. Plans to settle the spices city south and will forgo the Pyramids this game.
3. Betruger
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Mysticism (1 turn left).
Summary: Met all 3 civs, with Isabella and Saladin having conflicting religions. Plans to settle 3 cities, the first one being the closest towards the AI's. Grew the capital to size 5 and has a settler due in 7 turns.
4. CellKu
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture (hut) - Mining - Bronze Working - The Wheel - Pottery (2 turns).
Summary: Wants to build library ASAP so will target Writing technology. Already has first settler near second city site so was the fastest of us (I believe) to get the settler out. Did not meet Julius but Saladin and Isabella, as usual, have conflicting religions. Built a worker - archer - settler - archer.
5. Gr8scott
Research path: Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Masonry (1 turn).
Summary: Has plans for building the Great Wall to eliminate any barbarian problems, and is almost ready to build it (prechopped many forests in the capital to prepare for this). Not popping Archery must have been a bummer.
6. Snaaty
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture - The Wheel - Pottery - Mining - Bronze Working (5 turns).
Summary: Did not meet Julius Caesar but Isabella and Saladin once again have conflicting religions. Settled in place (wanted to move towards stone). Capital build was worker - Archer x2 - Settler (6 turns). Plan is to create two cities ASAP then backfill the tundra land later. Has a unique research path as well.
7. Druidravi
Research path: Archery (hut) - Agriculture (hut) - Mining - Bronze Working - The Wheel - Animal Husbandry (5 turns).
Summary: Settled one south of starting location. Settler in 5 turns after building 4 archers. Undecided about Pyramids, but does plan to build 2 blocking cities. And once again, Saladin is Hindu and Isabella is Buddhist.
8. DMOC (me)
Research path: Archery (hut) - Sailing (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - The Wheel (3 turns).
Summary: Buddhist Isabella and Hindu Saladin are around. Plans to build two blocking cities but may want to settle a city further south. Will likely whip settler then create Archer and another worker and settler. No need for roads as Sailing will connect my river cities.
Will likely not build Pyramids.9. Shyuhe
Research path: The Wheel (hut) - Mysticism (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Archery (1 turn).
Summary: Settled in place. Isabella-Saladin situation is the same. Settler is already completed and will found second city. Plan will be to build some more archers for defense before building more workers and settlers.
10. Mahatmajon
Research path: Agriculture - The Wheel - Mining - Masonry - Bronze Working.
Summary: Is almost done with the Great Wall and is using that to assist barb protection. Will create settler soon to settle a second city. Also settled 1 south for stone. Unfortunately, archery hut was ... a map hut instead.
11. Unconquered Sun
Research path: Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Animal Husbandry - Archery.
Summary: Settled one south and made 2 workers before a settler. Isabella for some reason failed to found anything. Is Justinian or Charlemagne on the other continent or something? Also, did not pop any techs.
12. Turinturambar
Research path: Unknown.
Summary: It looks like a hard game as being cornered in by two barbarian cities is not so good.
13. Thrar
Research path: Agriculture - Archery - Mining - Bronze Working - The Wheel.
Summary: Did not pop any techs unfortunately. Saladin also failed to found a religion. There's got to be another religious civ out there. He got a random event granting cover to all melee units (Archery bonus) which gives an incentive for war. The settler is almost done for second city. Plans on cottaging capital and running specialists in the second city which will also serve as blocking purposes.
14. ungy
Research path: Agriculture - Mining - Archery - Bronze Working - The Wheel.
Summary: Settled one south and didn't pop techs. Saladin and Isabella situation is same. Plans on getting 2 cities to the south ASAP since the two AI's are quite close.
15. Sleepless
Research path: Archery (hut) - The Wheel (hut) - Agriculture - Mining - Bronze Working - Animal Husbandry (3 turns).
Summary: A barbarian city has unfortunately ruined any plans for a production city south. Saladin/Isabella situation same. Whipped a settler after a few archers. Hopes to find horses close.
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OVERALL SUMMARY:
Interesting how a lot of people got archery from the first hut, but got different techs from a second hut if any. Also, Isabella and Saladin not founding Buddhism and Hinduism in some games makes it likely there is another religious civ out there.
Generally, most people are almsot done with their first settler or are done with it and plan to block the north for themselves.
Definitely!If someone is willing to do a short summary about the first turnset... ...this is your BIG chance, everybody would love you for doing it
Thanks, DMOC for writing that comprehensive summary! It gives a very good overview!
Hopefully, we can have such a summary for every turn... 
I played pretty far into the game and I decided I don't like such short turnsets, so I'll withdraw from participating this thread. I'll be lurking to see how other people play this start though.
As for my game in a nutshell:
As for my game in a nutshell:
Spoiler :
Mahatmajon
Prince
It's fascinating to me how much early religion can make such a big difference on high difficulty games. I've played ahead and without being spolier-y it won't come as a surprise that my Buddhist and Hidu neighbors both want me to cancel treaties & join wars against the other. It would have been MUCH easier if only 1 religion was founded by the neighboring civs.
Still, I'm looking forward to posting the next set because I think I have a decent position at 1AD. Not good enough to do anything with it, but I think better players than myself should be able to scrape something together.
Still, I'm looking forward to posting the next set because I think I have a decent position at 1AD. Not good enough to do anything with it, but I think better players than myself should be able to scrape something together.
Unconquered Sun
Emperor
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Round 2
Spoiler :
):On Thursday? I don't know about the others, but to me four days seem a little short. Could we extend this to Friday night, so it's possible to play at the beginning of the weekend?
I suppose it doesn't matter much if someone posts his entry after the round ends, but it would help with the summary and post order if everyone could try to finish in time.
How's the general opinion here? Do you prefer shorter rounds of 3-4 days, or longer ones like a week or so?
I suppose it doesn't matter much if someone posts his entry after the round ends, but it would help with the summary and post order if everyone could try to finish in time.
How's the general opinion here? Do you prefer shorter rounds of 3-4 days, or longer ones like a week or so?
Short rounds in terms of days are a must in my opinion. These turnsets are very short (next one 20 turns) and if we spend a week at a time the game will go on for several months. I remember 'mutineer' running one of these and people tend to lose interest if the game goes on for too long. I don't see the need for having a weekend on it, it's only 20 turns. Especially in the early stages it shouldn't take that long to play, and if you are very busy one round just catch up--chances are the rest of the players have had time.
We have to find a consensus here, concerning lenght (turns) and duration (time/days) of one turnset:
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I like to keep the turnsets rather small in turns, because a major difference of the games here in succession games compared to the games in the strat section ARE the small rounds:
You can see a game develop pretty good by looking at the saves up to a certain point (it avoids question like: how the hell did xy get all these units/cities/wonders/xy up to 1 AD and such) and allows everybody to have a look at various games develop through various stages.
And I think already with the first turnset everybody can see that there will be major differences in the various games:
some are focussing on expansion mainly
some are going for the Pyramids / GL
some are going cottages/farms/hybird...
For me at least it is very important to see all these approaches develop (as detailed as possible) up to a certain stage.
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The second thing is the timeline:
Since we play short turnsets, I like to stick to two turnsets per week (Thursday and Sunday). If we only play 1 turnset a week, I also fear lots of people loosing interest pretty soon (including me), because there is simply not enough happening with these small turnsets for one week and we would play this game in fact for ages (I also remember Mutineers game... ...he continued more or less alone for quite some time, only towards the end some (different) people joined in again)
And since one of the main goals here is to compare strategies for the beginning and later switch to the most promising save(s) (maybe we are lucky and can go on with more the 1 save from 1 AD on... ...but I already would be happy with 1 decent save to be honest
) and continue either in classical succession style or again with parallel playing (we will find out about that later (hopefully)) this game will simply die with less then 5 players left
...
But since we play without any rules and such, a solution might be easy for the early part of the game:
Those that cant play/post/report during the week simply post the save and a mini-report during the week... ...or even skip it completely and post a detailed report with both saves the weekends, so at least the weekend summaries contain all players and reports.
...
Sounds good for everybody?
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I like to keep the turnsets rather small in turns, because a major difference of the games here in succession games compared to the games in the strat section ARE the small rounds:
You can see a game develop pretty good by looking at the saves up to a certain point (it avoids question like: how the hell did xy get all these units/cities/wonders/xy up to 1 AD and such) and allows everybody to have a look at various games develop through various stages.
And I think already with the first turnset everybody can see that there will be major differences in the various games:
some are focussing on expansion mainly
some are going for the Pyramids / GL
some are going cottages/farms/hybird...
For me at least it is very important to see all these approaches develop (as detailed as possible) up to a certain stage.
...
The second thing is the timeline:
Since we play short turnsets, I like to stick to two turnsets per week (Thursday and Sunday). If we only play 1 turnset a week, I also fear lots of people loosing interest pretty soon (including me), because there is simply not enough happening with these small turnsets for one week and we would play this game in fact for ages (I also remember Mutineers game... ...he continued more or less alone for quite some time, only towards the end some (different) people joined in again)
And since one of the main goals here is to compare strategies for the beginning and later switch to the most promising save(s) (maybe we are lucky and can go on with more the 1 save from 1 AD on... ...but I already would be happy with 1 decent save to be honest
) and continue either in classical succession style or again with parallel playing (we will find out about that later (hopefully)) this game will simply die with less then 5 players left...
But since we play without any rules and such, a solution might be easy for the early part of the game:
Those that cant play/post/report during the week simply post the save and a mini-report during the week... ...or even skip it completely and post a detailed report with both saves the weekends, so at least the weekend summaries contain all players and reports.
...
Sounds good for everybody?
I agree completely! I also think that you can compare the games better when you have rather short turnsets.
Moreover, it enables players to replay if they want - after all that facilitates learning the subtle variations of Civ...
The second thing is the timeline:
Since we play short turnsets, I like to stick to two turnsets per week (Thursday and Sunday). If we only play 1 turnset a week, I also fear lots of people loosing interest pretty soon (including me), because there is simply not enough happening with these small turnsets for one week and we would play this game in fact for ages (I also remember Mutineers game... ...he continued more or less alone for quite some time, only towards the end some (different) people joined in again)
And since one of the main goals here is to compare strategies for the beginning and later switch to the most promising save(s) (maybe we are lucky and can go on with more the 1 save from 1 AD on... ...but I already would be happy with 1 decent save to be honest
...
But since we play without any rules and such, a solution might be easy for the early part of the game:
Those that cant play/post/report during the week simply post the save and a mini-report during the week... ...or even skip it completely and post a detailed report with both saves the weekends, so at least the weekend summaries contain all players and reports.
...
Sounds good for everybody?
Again, I completely agree!
And your suggestion in the end is a rather nice compromise IMO.
After reading the strategies of the others I replayed the first turnset from the moment I had popped agriculture and adopted Snaaty’s tech order. I was surprised what difference (with regard to teching speed) the subtle changes made already in such a short turnset:
Spoiler :
@ Atropos:
If you look at the starting position of this game, you see thee things:
1. 3 resources nearby (2x silk, corn)
2. 3 floodplains
3. only 1 tile (hill) without forest in BFC
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Combined, this meens:
there will be no horses in BFC (they wont be on the only non forest hill)
the chances of bronze in this hill are minimal (already 3 resources nearby)
floodplains usually scream: cottage me!
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since we started with hunting, I most likely would have sticked to the same tech order, archery first, only selfreseached, then ASAP towards cottages
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@ CellKu:
I just have finished my second turnset (but am too lazy to post it right now) so I had a short look at yours... ...WOW, you have drawn an awfully strong start. I´m tempted to switch to your save right away... ...but first let´s see what my next turnset brings, because I´m on the "wonder hunt"
There are some tips for you in the spoiler
If you look at the starting position of this game, you see thee things:
1. 3 resources nearby (2x silk, corn)
2. 3 floodplains
3. only 1 tile (hill) without forest in BFC
...
Combined, this meens:
there will be no horses in BFC (they wont be on the only non forest hill)
the chances of bronze in this hill are minimal (already 3 resources nearby)
floodplains usually scream: cottage me!
...
since we started with hunting, I most likely would have sticked to the same tech order, archery first, only selfreseached, then ASAP towards cottages
...
@ CellKu:
I just have finished my second turnset (but am too lazy to post it right now) so I had a short look at yours... ...WOW, you have drawn an awfully strong start. I´m tempted to switch to your save right away... ...but first let´s see what my next turnset brings, because I´m on the "wonder hunt"
There are some tips for you in the spoiler
Spoiler :
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