I also use them as pre-builds, but only complete them in theh cases AT mentioned accept milk runs, as then I would hit 100K before 2050. Besides in milking I keep lux at 10% for most of the game so I hardly build any culture at all, just some libs/unis in the start, which I sell lateron to not get an expansion wen just 2 tiles under limit.
Deity Warmongers
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AutomatedTeller
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I have got it.
AutomatedTeller
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I opened up the save - we have a granary being built in mugla and kafa, and I'm not sure why.
Mugla could use a courthouse - goes from 20-10% corrupt, which is currently break even from a cost point of view and gives mugla an extra shield.
Kafa could use a harbor.
Unless someone tells me different, I'm going to switch those builds from granary to courthouse/harbor.
Mugla could use a courthouse - goes from 20-10% corrupt, which is currently break even from a cost point of view and gives mugla an extra shield.
Kafa could use a harbor.
Unless someone tells me different, I'm going to switch those builds from granary to courthouse/harbor.
glenmetz
Prince
Roll with it
AutomatedTeller
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Highlights
We managed to keep Cadiz, even in the face of muskets and knights and no defensive units.
We researched gunpowder and HAVE SALTPETER!! (The world trembled at the thought of Sipahi...)
We are trading for spices
No one has chemistry,so we might be able to get a monopoly.
I sent 3 galleys to explore west of arabia
we are at peace with aztecs, but not india
Lowlights
Arabs have navigation, at least.
We lost the army in the defense of Cadiz
Details
Preflight
Trade Horses, furs, 5 gpt to mongols for spices
Micromanage a bunch of cities to keep from rioting
Some get geeks, some just higher commerce tiles
IBT - more muskets and knights head our way...
460 AD
470 AD -> Denizli->market
480AD
eSword redlines indian spear and dies
rMDI dies and promotes indian spear
vSword kills indian spear
vWarrior kills indian archer - that little town has a lot of defenders
everybody, btw, has gunpowder, so we won't be able to trade - I'm going to send a galley off
to try to find the other continent.
Aztecs are willing to pay for peace - I will hold off until it won't mess up the
treaty, but there are a lot of muskets heading our way...
IBT - lose pike and 3 MDI
Aztec move 4 muskets onto plains east of Cadiz
490 AD - Aztecs land pike/mdi north of carthage. Move some guys around off of the galleys,
vMDI kills pike
eSword dies on MDI
vSword kills MDI
Bombard muskets on plains
vMDI kills musket
eSword kills musket
vSword kills musket
eHorse redlines but kills redlined musket
Rush barracks in cadiz
IBT - aztecs move our last guy off the incense
galley impales itself on our galley
500 AD
Istanbul pike->Heroic epic
Army kills musket
IBT
Knight impales itself on army, muskets pillage improvement
510 AD
e* horse kills indian spear
vhorse redlines spear and dies
IBT - knight kills army
520 AD WW kicks in
vHorse kills indian spear and we raze dacca, getting a slave
Make peace with aztecs and get 120 gold
Sacrifice an archer in cadiz
Rush harbor
We had to make peace - we didnt' have any defenders up in cadiz, and they had 20 or so units
nearby, 12 muskets, the rest knights, MDI and long bows.
Trade Horses and furs to arabs for Gunpowder, 228 gold and 3 gpt
We have saltpeter!! just south of Leptis Magna. Chemistry due in 15 turn.
No one has chemistry, btw, so we might well be able to leverage it and catch up in techs
IBT - Aztecs tell our galley to leave. we say ok, but stick around anyway
530 AD
Sinop aqueduct->Market
Izmit Pike->Musket
Everybody stops rioting
We get some posts and outbuildings for hte palace
Rename 3 galleys to suicide #1-3 - the idea is that they will go and test the suicide crossing
near arabia.
IBT
Arabs are building magellans
Indians land an MDI north of carthage
IBT - mongols don't like us in their territory, we say we will go, but of course,
the galleys will stay
Uskudar court->aqueduct
Lose track of city growth, so aydin and mugla riot. Give them geeks.
We can trade for gems or wines with aztecs - I didn't make the deal, in case someone else
had a better idea
I have 3 regular galleys moving to try the suicide route west of arabia, to
see if we can contact the other continent.
The save:
We managed to keep Cadiz, even in the face of muskets and knights and no defensive units.
We researched gunpowder and HAVE SALTPETER!! (The world trembled at the thought of Sipahi...)
We are trading for spices
No one has chemistry,so we might be able to get a monopoly.
I sent 3 galleys to explore west of arabia
we are at peace with aztecs, but not india
Lowlights
Arabs have navigation, at least.
We lost the army in the defense of Cadiz
Details
Preflight
Trade Horses, furs, 5 gpt to mongols for spices
Micromanage a bunch of cities to keep from rioting
Some get geeks, some just higher commerce tiles
IBT - more muskets and knights head our way...
460 AD
470 AD -> Denizli->market
480AD
eSword redlines indian spear and dies
rMDI dies and promotes indian spear
vSword kills indian spear
vWarrior kills indian archer - that little town has a lot of defenders
everybody, btw, has gunpowder, so we won't be able to trade - I'm going to send a galley off
to try to find the other continent.
Aztecs are willing to pay for peace - I will hold off until it won't mess up the
treaty, but there are a lot of muskets heading our way...
IBT - lose pike and 3 MDI
Aztec move 4 muskets onto plains east of Cadiz
490 AD - Aztecs land pike/mdi north of carthage. Move some guys around off of the galleys,
vMDI kills pike
eSword dies on MDI
vSword kills MDI
Bombard muskets on plains
vMDI kills musket
eSword kills musket
vSword kills musket
eHorse redlines but kills redlined musket
Rush barracks in cadiz
IBT - aztecs move our last guy off the incense
galley impales itself on our galley
500 AD
Istanbul pike->Heroic epic
Army kills musket
IBT
Knight impales itself on army, muskets pillage improvement
510 AD
e* horse kills indian spear
vhorse redlines spear and dies
IBT - knight kills army
520 AD WW kicks in
vHorse kills indian spear and we raze dacca, getting a slave
Make peace with aztecs and get 120 gold
Sacrifice an archer in cadiz
Rush harbor
We had to make peace - we didnt' have any defenders up in cadiz, and they had 20 or so units
nearby, 12 muskets, the rest knights, MDI and long bows.
Trade Horses and furs to arabs for Gunpowder, 228 gold and 3 gpt
We have saltpeter!! just south of Leptis Magna. Chemistry due in 15 turn.
No one has chemistry, btw, so we might well be able to leverage it and catch up in techs
IBT - Aztecs tell our galley to leave. we say ok, but stick around anyway
530 AD
Sinop aqueduct->Market
Izmit Pike->Musket
Everybody stops rioting
We get some posts and outbuildings for hte palace
Rename 3 galleys to suicide #1-3 - the idea is that they will go and test the suicide crossing
near arabia.
IBT
Arabs are building magellans
Indians land an MDI north of carthage
IBT - mongols don't like us in their territory, we say we will go, but of course,
the galleys will stay
Uskudar court->aqueduct
Lose track of city growth, so aydin and mugla riot. Give them geeks.
We can trade for gems or wines with aztecs - I didn't make the deal, in case someone else
had a better idea
I have 3 regular galleys moving to try the suicide route west of arabia, to
see if we can contact the other continent.
The save:
glenmetz
Prince
Who is up in the puppy?
I. Larkin
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Glenmetz is.
glenmetz
Prince
Oh, I've got it, will play tonight after SGOTM
glenmetz
Prince
Preflight
MM a bit, a few cities were going to riot. Science at 60, Chem in 8+13GPT with 1 beaker (the rest taxies)
IBT
Aydin Horsie->MDI
Kafka Pike->MDI
Mugla Horsie->MDI
Riza Harbor->Library (its borders must grow to be able to work more sea tiles)
560AD (1)
Not much, just workers and stuff
IBT
Carthage and Arabia sign a Alliance against the Aztecs (this may be our time to jump in)
Chiconautla Library->Harbor
570AD (2)
Change builds:
Bingol Courthouse->Library (needs to expand to work more tiles)
Tunceli Library->Duct
Yozgat Library->Harbor
Oea Courthouse->Duct
Leptis Magna Courthouse->Duct
Theveste Courthouse->Duct
Hippo Courthouse->Duct
Sinop Market->Courthouse
Ankara Market->Courthouse
Denizli Market->Musket
Sivas Courthouse->Harbor
IBT
Edrine Musket->Musket (start putting garrisons in border cities)
Ankara Courthouse->Musket
Karabek Courthouse->Duct
580AD (3)
Drop Science down to 50, buy a couple beakers. Chem in 5+24GPT
IBT
Denizli Musket->Musket
Zonguldak Market->Courthouse
Aztecs are building Magellans
590AD (4)
zzzzz
IBT
Bursa Musket->MDI
Aydin MDI->MDI
Cirta Harbor->Wealth
Mugla MDI->MDI
Bingol Library->Wealth
Sorry I didn't play more, got lots to do tonight.
MM a bit, a few cities were going to riot. Science at 60, Chem in 8+13GPT with 1 beaker (the rest taxies)
IBT
Aydin Horsie->MDI
Kafka Pike->MDI
Mugla Horsie->MDI
Riza Harbor->Library (its borders must grow to be able to work more sea tiles)
560AD (1)
Not much, just workers and stuff
IBT
Carthage and Arabia sign a Alliance against the Aztecs (this may be our time to jump in)
Chiconautla Library->Harbor
570AD (2)
Change builds:
Bingol Courthouse->Library (needs to expand to work more tiles)
Tunceli Library->Duct
Yozgat Library->Harbor
Oea Courthouse->Duct
Leptis Magna Courthouse->Duct
Theveste Courthouse->Duct
Hippo Courthouse->Duct
Sinop Market->Courthouse
Ankara Market->Courthouse
Denizli Market->Musket
Sivas Courthouse->Harbor
IBT
Edrine Musket->Musket (start putting garrisons in border cities)
Ankara Courthouse->Musket
Karabek Courthouse->Duct
580AD (3)
Drop Science down to 50, buy a couple beakers. Chem in 5+24GPT
IBT
Denizli Musket->Musket
Zonguldak Market->Courthouse
Aztecs are building Magellans
590AD (4)
zzzzz
IBT
Bursa Musket->MDI
Aydin MDI->MDI
Cirta Harbor->Wealth
Mugla MDI->MDI
Bingol Library->Wealth
Sorry I didn't play more, got lots to do tonight.
Pre-turn
mm all cities, why have taxmen if there are scientists? Also adjust size 6 cities for growth, need to decrease unit support.
Load units up for our war with India
Will send some galleys on suicide missions
Get gems from Aztec for incense and furs
Change all unit builds to horsies, will have MT in 20 turns or so
610AD
moving
IBT
Aztec boot us from their land
620AD
Chemistry in, Arbas got it too.
sell it to Aztec for wine 48gpt 80 gold and WM
also give it to Mongols for mono.
Science to metalurgy in 8
630AD
Istanbul Heroic epic->horse
Iznik court->harbor
unload 20 units next to Chittagong
640AD
both suicides sink
Land 2 settlers as well, will first settle the cities otherwise the Aztec border will expand and we can't settle anymore
settle Tokat
650AD
Bomard Chita there are 2 1hp pikes will kill one of them first elite loses, but second makes up and give leader.
660AD
settlers in Place will take Indian city next turn and craete army in it
670AD
our 3rd galley sinks
settle Van and Not Constantinople
Take Chittagong
Decide to stop and make sure we want army with leader. Metalurgy will be in in 2 MT will take 7 so in 10 turns we can have a cavalry army and do some real damage.
After we get MT I suggest to stop science an upgrade all horsies.
We now have 24, by then we should have about 45. The AI just got Chivalry, and we can make peace with India next turn, they can only offer some workers though.
Some units can still move, Leader is next to Chittagong. I think we should research asap, upgrade most 20-30 horses and craete army, attack Aztec and sign MA's with the others.
View attachment DWs 670AD.SAV
Niftan up
Ivan on deck
mm all cities, why have taxmen if there are scientists? Also adjust size 6 cities for growth, need to decrease unit support.
Load units up for our war with India
Will send some galleys on suicide missions
Get gems from Aztec for incense and furs
Change all unit builds to horsies, will have MT in 20 turns or so
610AD
moving
IBT
Aztec boot us from their land
620AD
Chemistry in, Arbas got it too.
sell it to Aztec for wine 48gpt 80 gold and WM
also give it to Mongols for mono.
Science to metalurgy in 8
630AD
Istanbul Heroic epic->horse
Iznik court->harbor
unload 20 units next to Chittagong
640AD
both suicides sink
Land 2 settlers as well, will first settle the cities otherwise the Aztec border will expand and we can't settle anymore
settle Tokat
650AD
Bomard Chita there are 2 1hp pikes will kill one of them first elite loses, but second makes up and give leader.
660AD
settlers in Place will take Indian city next turn and craete army in it
670AD
our 3rd galley sinks
settle Van and Not Constantinople
Take Chittagong
Decide to stop and make sure we want army with leader. Metalurgy will be in in 2 MT will take 7 so in 10 turns we can have a cavalry army and do some real damage.
After we get MT I suggest to stop science an upgrade all horsies.
We now have 24, by then we should have about 45. The AI just got Chivalry, and we can make peace with India next turn, they can only offer some workers though.
Some units can still move, Leader is next to Chittagong. I think we should research asap, upgrade most 20-30 horses and craete army, attack Aztec and sign MA's with the others.
View attachment DWs 670AD.SAV
Niftan up
Ivan on deck
AutomatedTeller
Frequent poster
should we try to trade for chivalry? horse to sipahi is a *lot* of gold - I think 210 per. (horse is 30, siphai 100, upgrade is 3 gold per shield) If we build some knights, they are cheaper upgrades.
45 horses->sipahi makes for 9500 gold. 20 horses->sipahi is 4200.
I agree with the idea, though. Sipahi are death to anything medieval - a sipahi army shoudl be able to take out muskets in cities on hills without breaking much of a sweat.
45 horses->sipahi makes for 9500 gold. 20 horses->sipahi is 4200.
I agree with the idea, though. Sipahi are death to anything medieval - a sipahi army shoudl be able to take out muskets in cities on hills without breaking much of a sweat.
