DELUXE conquest of the new world?

[otaman1]

Sweden could be a civ too

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Sweden could be a civ too

I can promise you it won't be

 

[Inhalaattori]

I can promise you it won't be

Its unlikely, but not impossible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden

 

[otaman1]

I can promise you it won't be

Why not? Firaxis could extend the map a bit. Plus, Sweden established a town in modern day Delaware.

 

[damnyankees]

If the Deluxe version is just adding some new civs to it, why make it a separate scenario? Just improve the old one. Seems very weird they've have 2 versions of a scenario in the game, when one is just an improved version of the other. Why play the old version? Something else has to be different, not just an improvement but some kind of parallel change which is neither better nor worse, just different.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Why not? Firaxis could extend the map a bit. Plus, Sweden established a town in modern day Delaware.

They were involved on so small a scale though. There wasn't even any significant migration. They are incomparable to the English, French, Spanish, Dutch and Portuguese.

It would be kinda cool if they were in, but they were by no means a 'conqueror of the new world'


On a different note, if they do just include those 5 european civs, it would make sense for them to include 5 native civs as well, adding 2 more to the scenario. One being the Maya, and the other helping to affirm to notion of a final civ being native american.

 

[Halcyan2]

If the Deluxe version is just adding some new civs to it, why make it a separate scenario? Just improve the old one. Seems very weird they've have 2 versions of a scenario in the game, when one is just an improved version of the other. Why play the old version? Something else has to be different, not just an improvement but some kind of parallel change which is neither better nor worse, just different.

Because the old one does not require G&K and BNW?

 

[damnyankees]

Because the old one does not require G&K and BNW?

Yeah, I get that, but presumably its pretty easy to code so if you have BNW and GK the new one shows up in the list, and if not the old one shows up.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Yeah, I get that, but presumably its pretty easy to code so if you have BNW and GK the new one shows up in the list, and if not the old one shows up.

Undoubtedly there will be people who complain and wish they could play the old one if it was overwritten. It's plausible they are just covering they're bases and trying to provide the maximum content rather than replace it.

 

[damnyankees]

Undoubtedly there will be people who complain and wish they could play the old one if it was overwritten. It's plausible they are just covering they're bases and trying to provide the maximum content rather than replace it.

Just seems strange to me. I mean, we now know they are changing the UA and UI of France, for example. Will I get to choose this new version of France or stick with the old one?

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Just seems strange to me. I mean, we now know they are changing the UA and UI of France, for example. Will I get to choose this new version of France or stick with the old one?

That's a bit different though, the new version of france doesn't balance with the new mechanics they are introducing. They can feasibly run two versions of a scenario side by side because they are stand alone. They cannot do the same for France.

Of course you can always go into DLC and turn off the expansion to play old France, and equally, play the old scenario, so i'm a bit mystified too.

 

[Princeofnigeria]

They could ad in the new trade route mechanic to increase city set up in the new world, and religion to ally with some of the natives (or at least negate some of the unhappiness)

 

[Absolution]

I think they will add the Netherlands, Portugal, the Maya and new Native Civ. Morocco could also be added.

I'm not sure how important the Maya were by the time the Europeans have arrived.
Portugal and the Netherlands must be in and and so is another native American civ if added.

But the issue of Morocco can be very cool considering Al-Mansur's ambitions to take part in the colonization of South America.

 

[OzzyKP]

I would like a super-sized Catherine with Boudica on the side and with Theodora toppings

A super-sized Catherine?

 

[TPangolin]

Have you ever heard of New Amsterdam?

Yeah, but why they changed it I can't say.

I guess people just liked it better that way.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

I'm not sure how important the Maya were by the time the Europeans arrived.

The Maya were still there, but they weren't exactly a united polity (nor were they ever really in their history, but i digress...)

Essentially, they were still there and they were conquered by the Spanish.

Really cool that Morocco thing, i didn't know about that. However, i really don't think they or Sweden will be in now because i imagine they'll try to keep a balance between numbers of indigenous groups and colonial groups

 

[Xen]

I would like to see Into the Renaissance changed by adding Morocco and Portugal

and Venice!

 

[Leugi]

Amazing! I like the Conquest of the New World scenario a lot, so seeing it update it makes me happy

Hmn... This is also a possible hint for a New Native American Civ... Not an "evidence", but a likely hint...

They wouldn't make a new version of New World only to add Portugal... The Native side could likely get a spot there...

 

[Calouste]

They were a very big presence in the new world in the 17th century though. They founded New York and owned a lot of the seaboard of New England until the English kicked them out. They completely belong in this scenario.

The Dutch weren't as much kicked out of North America, as that, while the English took New Amsterdam during the second Anglo-Dutch war, the Dutch took the sugar plantations in Surinam and the spice island of Run in the same war, and after kicking England's ass in that war, refused to trade the possessions back because by the standards of the time, what they conquered was far more valuable than what they lost.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

The Dutch weren't as much kicked out of North America, as that, while the English took New Amsterdam during the second Anglo-Dutch war, the Dutch took the sugar plantations in Surinam and the spice island of Run in the same war, and after kicking England's ass in that war, refused to trade the possessions back because by the standards of the time, what they conquered was far more valuable than what they lost.

Of course! I didn't include the Caribbean though because generally New England is perceived as more significant to those without a great deal of knowledge.