DELUXE conquest of the new world?

[anandus]

I dont think that they would add the Netherlands. They own more africain and asian then colonies on other continents

They had colonies on both the northern and southern American continent and in the carribeans.

Asynchronous map of former Dutch colonies

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Ontopic:
A really interesting find! I'm curious what it is, if it's indeed a retroactive implementation of civs and I wonder if this also will happen with other scenarios (Into The Renaissance and Wonders of The Ancient World spring to mind)

 

[Gali]

They changed New Amsterdam because of the Duke of York, future James II.

 

[Tsuchinoko]

Is there any reason why they might not add the Inca too? I know that it's one of the DLC Civs and it would make the original Spain + Inca pack totally redundant, but seeing as they already added Spain in G+K it's kind of lost some of its value anyway. Perhaps they think that anyone who was going to buy that DLC probably already has, so they won't be losing out on any extra cash by including some of the content in the new expansion?

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if Ethiopia were to be included in the expansion too, as the "Scramble for Africa" scenario would be rather bare without it...

 

[Gucumatz]

While in the end I wouldn't mind if the Maya were in it, the historian half of me has to point out they were aleady almost dead when the spanish came.

Say what? That's not true at all. Some of the famous Maya Kingdoms like Tikal had recently fallen, but the Spanish arrival came during a different era of Maya Renaissance, the South not the north was the most important area of the Maya world at the time. We were still there. The North Coast was also still fairly populated, its just some of the Peten cities had fallen out of favour.

Heck the last Maya City State didn't fall to the Spanish until 1697. The only unconquered tribe in North America are the Maya Lacandones who messed with the Spanish and Mexico forever. Even today the Lacandones play a significant role on the border with several key Lacandones overseeing the drug routes. It wasn't even close to a decline by the time Spanish arrived. The Southern Maya (including my people the Kaqchikel) were forming mini-empires when the Spanish arrived. In the 1840s Maya Rebels even formed a new Maya Kingdom (Chan Santa Cruz) which lasted 60-70 years and was recognized by various European powers including Great Britain, retaking many holy cities from the Mexicans and in fact almost completely destroyed the Mexican army multiple times.

The disservice to post-classical Maya history continues

 

[kingchris20]

I would like a super-sized Catherine with Boudica on the side and with Theodora toppings

What? no love for Maria T?

 

[Leugi]

Say what? That's not true at all. Some of the famous Maya Kingdoms like Tikal had recently fallen, but the Spanish arrival came during a different era of Maya Renaissance, the South not the north was the most important area of the Maya world at the time. We were still there. The North Coast was also still fairly populated, its just some of the Peten cities had fallen out of favour.

Heck the last Maya City State didn't fall to the Spanish until 1697. The only unconquered tribe in North America are the Maya Lacandones who messed with the Spanish and Mexico forever. Even today the Lacandones play a significant role on the border with several key Lacandones overseeing the drug routes. It wasn't even close to a decline by the time Spanish arrived. The Southern Maya (including my people the Kaqchikel) were forming mini-empires when the Spanish arrived. In the 1840s Maya Rebels even formed a new Maya Kingdom (Chan Santa Cruz) which lasted 60-70 years and was recognized by various European powers including Great Britain, retaking many holy cities from the Mexicans and in fact almost completely destroyed the Mexican army multiple times.

The disservice to post-classical Maya history continues

Well, I learned something today, thanks ...

 

[Pikachao]

Say what? That's not true at all. Some of the famous Maya Kingdoms like Tikal had recently fallen, but the Spanish arrival came during a different era of Maya Renaissance, the South not the north was the most important area of the Maya world at the time. We were still there. The North Coast was also still fairly populated, its just some of the Peten cities had fallen out of favour.

Heck the last Maya City State didn't fall to the Spanish until 1697. The only unconquered tribe in North America are the Maya Lacandones who messed with the Spanish and Mexico forever. Even today the Lacandones play a significant role on the border with several key Lacandones overseeing the drug routes. It wasn't even close to a decline by the time Spanish arrived. The Southern Maya (including my people the Kaqchikel) were forming mini-empires when the Spanish arrived. In the 1840s Maya Rebels even formed a new Maya Kingdom (Chan Santa Cruz) which lasted 60-70 years and was recognized by various European powers including Great Britain, retaking many holy cities from the Mexicans and in fact almost completely destroyed the Mexican army multiple times.

The disservice to post-classical Maya history continues

touche, I guess need to work on my knowledge of post colonial Maya.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Mayans are kewl.

How far north did the original map extend? And how far west? I never played it.

 

[WChrisMullen]

It's a common misconception that the Maya sort of just "disappeared" after the classical Mayan period. I remember when people were talking about the 2012 apocalypse prediction, I heard more than once "If the Mayans could have predicted the future you'd think they would still be around." The Mayans kind of still are around.

 

[Yzman]

Is there any reason why they might not add the Inca too? I know that it's one of the DLC Civs and it would make the original Spain + Inca pack totally redundant, but seeing as they already added Spain in G+K it's kind of lost some of its value anyway. Perhaps they think that anyone who was going to buy that DLC probably already has, so they won't be losing out on any extra cash by including some of the content in the new expansion?

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if Ethiopia were to be included in the expansion too, as the "Scramble for Africa" scenario would be rather bare without it...

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Inca in it, just as Spain was given out. Ethiopia is not a DLC civ, but an expansion civ...I am not sure if that makes it more or less likely they would be included. Maybe they would only be included in the scenario?

 

[Gucumatz]

Well, I learned something today, thanks ...

Its a shame how the battle of Merida turned out too. The Cruzob Maya army had surrounded the Mexican army at the city of Merida and was conducting a siege against the city for weeks, it looked pretty bleak for the Mexican army. The Mexicans were ready to cede the Northern Yucatan entirely back to the Maya, but it began to rain and the Maya militias were convinced that they ought to break the siege in order to start planting corn.

It was about this time that the Yucatan Republic (which had tried to break away from Mexico earlier, but cried to Mexico for help against the Cruzob state) was so desperate that they even applied to join the United States of America. They had close relations with the Republic of Texas and followed in Texas's footsteps and applied to be annexed by the US. The annexation of the Yucatan passed the US House, but stalled in the US Senate as the Maya overran former Yucatan territories.
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Interesting bits of history of course , the Yucatan peninsula could have looked incredibly different today if only small things had happened.

 

[cuso210]

So... Inca will be added on BNW? Or could this mean a DLC short after the release?

 

[Pikachao]

It's a common misconception that the Maya sort of just "disappeared" after the classical Mayan period. I remember when people were talking about the 2012 apocalypse prediction, I heard more than once "If the Mayans could have predicted the future you'd think they would still be around." The Mayans kind of still are around.

I guess it's just an important thing to realize that american groups also went through different periods of distinct cultures and that terms like "Maya" don't limit their scope to just Tikal era stuff, just like how the term british doesn't mean people just from Victorian England.

 

[otaman1]

So... Inca will be added on BNW? Or could this mean a DLC short after the release?

No. People who bought G&K will have the Incas in their game and for those who didn't .. well, they won't ... presumably

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Mayans are kewl.

How far north did the original map extend? And how far west? I never played it.

As north as north and as south as south. The coastline looked nothing like the real world coastline, so it just went tundra to tundra i believe. Random spawning of natives throughout it. That always kinda bugged me, i wish it was a little more representative, or at least have the option for it.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I wonder if this little revelation has any implications with regards to our Tomahawk-wielding barbarian friends.

 

[Gali]

It makes a lot of sense they'd update this scenario. I mean they based a whole social policy tree off of this era. It also allows them to include the native American civ in a scenario, and give Portugal its rightful time. Man Naus should be awesome in this scenario. Hope they include the Dutch they had colonies in both Americas. Even had a go at conquering Brazil. If the need for peace back home hadn't killed their momentum they might have done it.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

It could be an extra bonus to thsoe who own the "Gold" edition, but mostly the Pachacuti, G&K and BNW (DLCs)

 

[iRule]

I could see a reskin of Brazil into the native Guarani or the Tupi.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

I could see a reskin of Brazil into the native Guarani or the Tupi.

I doubt it, because Pedro would appear in his office which don't think it would make much sense seeing as it is happening before the Europeans got to the Americas.