Democratic Party direction post-Harris

[GenMarshall]

Nope, easily double digits:

Views about socialism vs capitalism U.S. by age 2022 | Statista

A survey conducted in August 2022, found that young people (those aged between 18 and 29 years old) in the United States were more likely to have a positive impression of socialism, with 44 percent viewing socialism positively.

www.statista.com

Do you have sources that aren’t paywalled/required to sign up? I want to see the graphs.

 

[Zardnaar]

Nope, easily double digits:

Views about socialism vs capitalism U.S. by age 2022 | Statista

A survey conducted in August 2022, found that young people (those aged between 18 and 29 years old) in the United States were more likely to have a positive impression of socialism, with 44 percent viewing socialism positively.

www.statista.com

I said communist.

To an American a democratic socialist system is socialism.

 

[Gorbles]

I said communist.

To an American a democratic socialist system is socialism.

In America, "socialist" generally means "communist".

 

[Zardnaar]

To an American, any government that proposes any left-leaning policy is Communist.

Fixed it for ya.

Well socialist is a dirty word.

Either way America doesn't have enough to actually matter in any sense. Liberal wing of Democrats lean Democratic Socialist.

 

[GenMarshall]

Well socialist is a dirty word.

IIRC, been like that since the first red scare in the 1920s. Socialism and communism are regularly interchangeable here in the US.

 

[Zardnaar]

IIRC, been like that since the first red scare in the 1920s. Socialism and communism are regularly interchangeable here in the US.

Here wasn't vilified comparatively to America. But we were heavy Democratic Socialist until 1984.

Essentially died put as it's hard to get people to care with cradle to grave welfare and cheap housing and high wages.

Probably why they hate democratic socialists so much. Its about the best humans have achieved in practice (Scandinavia, NZ, Australia once upon a time). Free tertiary, universal Healthcare, welfare, government paid you to have kids and buy a house.

 

[Gorbles]

Well socialist is a dirty word.

Yes, that's exactly what danjuno and I are pointing out. Saying "I said communist" doesn't really matter, yeah?

 

[Angst]

what is going on with this no true scotsman line

 

[choxorn]

In America, "socialist" generally means "communist".

And to a lot of America, "socialist" and "communist" mean "anybody to the left of Ronald Reagan"

 

[danjuno]

Do you have sources that aren’t paywalled/required to sign up? I want to see the graphs.

Yep, Statista bushwhacked me with that at the last moment.

Modest Declines in Positive Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’ in U.S.

Americans see capitalism as giving people more opportunity and more freedom than socialism, while they see socialism as more likely to meet people’s basic needs, though these perceptions differ significantly by party. Many Democrats say socialism meets people’s basic needs; Republicans say it...

www.pewresearch.org