Democratic Party direction post-Harris

I don't own a TV but all the late night show clips I scroll past on YouTube are anti Trump. Only big proTrump US media channel I thought was Fox.
Late night TV shows are pro Democrat but have very little cultural sway. Fox is bigger than all of them combined and quintupled. Facebook skews its algorithim in favor of right wing content, Youtube does, and TikTok does, especially in light of Trump being very close with the CEO of TikTok. The owners of the NYT, Washington Post (Bezos), and LA Times all have recently personally struck down some pro Kamala or anti Trump opinion pieces and cartoons. The LA Times especially is being intentionally turned into a conservative news outlet by owner Patrick Shoon-Shiong, who is very right wing, pro Trump, and Qanon adjacent. The owners of CNN and Politico also did the same thing; intentionally shifted right wing to try to make more money. Almost every major local news station is owned by Sinclair, who mandates pro Trump coverage to their stations. The list is endless. It’s 10000000 times worse than most people realize and a massive boon to the GOP. It will take decades to undo.
 
Look, don't be bringing UK Labour into this. They're setting themselves up for something truly spectacular in terms of self destruction. It will not very comparable, and they will only be saved if the Tories outdo them. Which is not inconceivable.

Probably comparable. I expect Trump to bullocks things up. People might vote the Dems back in 2028. But they're not voting for you but against Trump.
 
One other difference is that in the UK the ruling party only got 1/3 of the vote - and for that enjoys iirc a 2/3 of parliament ratio, or something crazy like that. So they don't even need to be worse so as to be voted out; it's only the voting system that allowed them to be a government.
Not the same in the US where Trump even got the popular vote this time - and when parties there lose the popular vote, they still have a meaningful percentage of it.
 
One other difference is that in the UK the ruling party only got 1/3 of the vote - and for that enjoys iirc a 2/3 of parliament ratio, or something crazy like that. So they don't even need to be worse so as to be voted out; it's only the voting system that allowed them to be a government.
Not the same in the US where Trump even got the popular vote this time - and when parties there lose the popular vote, they still have a meaningful percentage of it.

Trump didn't get a majority either sub 50%. To his credit dems got even less.

UK turnout was even less proportionally.
 
So did Starmer, if that's the logic we're going by. And I don't even like Starmer!

He got more than the rest put togather?

If 33%+ don't vote you only need to win with who turns up.
 
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He got more than the rest put togather?

If 33%+ don't vote you only need to win 6woth who turns up.
I guess it depends what Edward means by "majority". He got (quite a lot) more than every other party. FPTP overweight seat-vs-vote distribution but it's not like he won with less votes than any other party.

Comparing it to a combined majority is a bit silly considering how few parties the US has compared to the UK.
 
I guess it depends what Edward means by "majority". He got (quite a lot) more than every other party. FPTP overweight seat-vs-vote distribution but it's not like he won with less votes than any other party.

Comparing it to a combined majority is a bit silly considering how few parties the US has compared to the UK.

I think Trump won the popular vote I don’t think he got the majority iirc. Doesn't mater he still won and got more than the other side.
 
The lesson of Brown's loss should really terrify Dem party leadership. He went economic populist for the entirety of his career, about as authentic and dogged as you can reasonably expect, and the Dem brand was still so toxic that he lost.

I doubt it requires explaining to another Midwest guy from Ohio, but Brown's politics are quite possibly the winningest available model from Madison to Philadelphia. They should really be asking if they're prepared to write off the blue wall entirely, and if the answer is no, some sorta niche for the Brown's and Fetterman's must be created. I'd prefer if they were encouraged to represent their districts moral leanings on federal legislation(which, frankly, is gonna require voting against Dems occasionally) provided they're avid backers of pro-working class legislative efforts.
Brown was still an idiot who couched most of his campaign in response to whatever Moreno said instead of actually articulating his own thoughts. He was even calling trans women "biological men", for god's sake. Not quite as much a cockup as Portman's campaign running exclusively on a platform of "China is evil!" but still deeply embarrassing.

The Democratic party leadership is still full of people who remember steak dinners in the 80s and 90s with the same people running the GOP and long for a return to those good old days. They do not care about governing, they just want to "get what they deserve". The lack of actual left-wing politics in the party - they're center-left at best - are embarrassing. They won't even run on marijuana legalization and amnesty. Biden's reclassification of the drug was a good step forward, yeah, but it's a ridiculous lack of attention paid to an issue very important to a lot of people.

Considering Harris' open disregard for the trans community in her campaign and continued support of an unpopular genocide it isn't exactly surprising people didn't turn out in droves for her! When you tell people you don't care about them, and actively alienate the people who go out and canvas for you (as is what happened with many of the people who were organizing pro-Palestinian protests, who then got arrested and insulted by the Biden admin), what do you expect?

But it's fine, they definitely gotta appeal to those republicans who voted for Clinton in the 90s,they're obviously the most important demographic out there.

(Also deeply amused by people complaining they "cared too much about identity politics". They didn't do a single damn thing for us, don't believe everything you hear on Alex Jones. Or anything.)
 
Brown was still an idiot who couched most of his campaign in response to whatever Moreno said instead of actually articulating his own thoughts. He was even calling trans women "biological men", for god's sake. Not quite as much a cockup as Portman's campaign running exclusively on a platform of "China is evil!" but still deeply embarrassing.

The Democratic party leadership is still full of people who remember steak dinners in the 80s and 90s with the same people running the GOP and long for a return to those good old days. They do not care about governing, they just want to "get what they deserve". The lack of actual left-wing politics in the party - they're center-left at best - are embarrassing. They won't even run on marijuana legalization and amnesty. Biden's reclassification of the drug was a good step forward, yeah, but it's a ridiculous lack of attention paid to an issue very important to a lot of people.

Considering Harris' open disregard for the trans community in her campaign and continued support of an unpopular genocide it isn't exactly surprising people didn't turn out in droves for her! When you tell people you don't care about them, and actively alienate the people who go out and canvas for you (as is what happened with many of the people who were organizing pro-Palestinian protests, who then got arrested and insulted by the Biden admin), what do you expect?

But it's fine, they definitely gotta appeal to those republicans who voted for Clinton in the 90s,they're obviously the most important demographic out there.

(Also deeply amused by people complaining they "cared too much about identity politics". They didn't do a single damn thing for us, don't believe everything you hear on Alex Jones. Or anything.)

Trans rights and Marijuana reform are the that popular outside of progressive circles.

Progressives are under 20% of the population. NYC with Democrat primaries they're a third.

That's why they're center left at best. Full progressive is political poison.
 
I think Trump won the popular vote I don’t think he got the majority iirc. Doesn't mater he still won and got more than the other side.


Regarding the popular vote, you are technically correct.

Donald Trump 77,303,573
Kamala Harris 75,019,257
Jill Stein 868,945
Robert Kennedy 757,731
Chase Oliver 650,120

However Robert Kennedy had withdrawn; so out of those candidates still remaining, Donald Trump got the majority of the popular vote.

And more importantly Donald Trump got the majority of the Electoral College vote.
 
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Ah, the electoral college. So cool that my vote for Harris got thrown out just because slightly more gerrymandered districts voted for Trump in my state.
 


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Regarding the popular vote, you are technically correct.

Donald Trump 77,303,573
Kamala Harris 75,019,257
Jill Stein 868,945
Robert Kennedy 757,731
Chase Oliver 650,120

However Robert Kennedy had withdrawn; so out of those candidates still remaining, Donald Trump got the majority of the popular vote.

And more importantly Donald Trump got the majority of the Electoral College vote.

Yup. Even here under proportional he wins with that result.

Progressives are a fraction of the Democrats vote as well. Sub 20% of the voters mayber under 10% as the democrats are progressive left to soft right anywhere else.
 
Sanders wasn't a Democrat except for convenience.
Doesn't matter, he was a de facto Dem under the two-party system, and was running in their primary.

Harris was indisputably better for poor people. I mean, very obviously better. If culture and vibes were really irrelevant, she'd have won handily. But she didn't.
She failed to distinguish herself from Biden, who pumped the brakes on many of the popular economic measures from the pandemic.
 
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