Department of Geeks & Numbers

[Pentium]

Someone

It was me

just

6 posts ago...

pointed out to me that it was TNT not the D'nuts that joined the settler (or a few workers) into their capital. veery interesting

Interesting indeed. Can this mean TNT are losing the war?

 

[Whomp]

Great catch Idiot Processor!

My wild guess is TNT merged their workers to crank up the production in the capital. They are industrious so their workers likely developed the land quickly and may not be necessary right at this moment.

We need to start getting a sense of the F3 situation. It will also give us good information. I've read a F3 analysis by Rik Meleet from the ISDG and it will give us some very useful strengths numbers. If TNT is cranking immortals it will be apparent here and their GA may be underway.

 

[Tubby Rower]

F3 the military advisor. I saw something on that but we need to have contact with the other 2 in order for it to work.

 

[Kickbooti]

F3 the military advisor. I saw something on that but we need to have contact with the other 2 in order for it to work.

Where is the spoiler line? Can MIA pass along F3 info? Or are there questions we could ask them relating to their position vis a vis D'nuts that would give us an idea?

(PS I feel smart having just used vis a vis in a sentence, and in context I think. Not bad for a guy in the northern woods )

 

[Whomp]

Where is the spoiler line? Can MIA pass along F3 info? Or are there questions we could ask them relating to their position vis a vis D'nuts that would give us an idea?

(PS I feel smart having just used vis a vis in a sentence, and in context I think. Not bad for a guy in the northern woods )

Nice 'Licious. I have posed the question to the admins.

 

[soul_warrior]

So if we happen to meet TNT with our dinghy, then do we make nice or express our displeasure?
Or do we continue to play them against each other?

Well actually we are in the best position here. MIA will actually "help" the nutters. We have plausible deniability later when this comes out.

play that funky music, white boy.
lets sit back and enjoy the show.

Expressing displeasure doesn't make sense to me at this point - we can't do anything directly. Mapmaking is still a-ways away.

I'm all for supporting the Nuts, tech and cash are the only thing we could funnel to them at this point.

Bleed TNT if they are making war already. Let's face it, one Immortal would wreck havoc on our little empire, if they found the nuts it wouldn't take much to knock them off and have a continent all to your lonesome. Until the Great Grape Fleet gets up and running that is.

agreed.
helping DONUTs now is in our interest.

by remaing a rear supplier allows us to keep expanding while MIA will be the one stuck with the 'tater when push comes to shove.
if the A.R.S.E. will meet TNT, we could always do a double deal, with MIAs blessing ofcourse.
sell the rebels the machineguns, while selling the goverment the heavier arms.
this is what makes a NICE, PROFITABLE WAR.
the basics they teach at Arms Trading 101

 

[Tubby Rower]

great idea soul. I think that next time we chat with fe we should propose such tactics. I think that they would be up for it.

 

[Daghdha]

Someone just pointed out to me that it was TNT not the D'nuts that joined the settler (or a few workers) into their capital. veery interesting

I see a possible explanation for the cockieness Nuts showed in the contact with MIA. They may have TNT hanging on the rope there.

 

[Kickbooti]

Dagh is right. We should find the weakest party and arrange to send lawyers guns and money, they're in an awful jam...

 

[soul_warrior]

so basically, we need to get some info out of the jam into the pot roast.
now, GIT will ya, ya slow sub?

 

[Sir Bugsy]

We need to hope we can get contact with TNT by sailing west across the passage we just found. Without contact it is all hypothetical.

Let's play nice to everyone and prop up whoever is losing.

Edit - Hey I just had a thought. MIA can tell if Donuts just lost a city by looking at the power curve.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I made another chart for those who have trouble with numbers..... It is of the amount of increase in each turns score from the previous turn. I've included next turns scores, since they are available when you select save & exit.

Let the speculation begin......


EDIT::: btw, I HATE 3-d graphs but it was the best way to diplay the info. I tried to limit the 3-dness of it.

 

[Whomp]

Tubs if it's not too much trouble a different color for TNT would help me.

 

[Tubby Rower]

fixed it .

 

[soul_warrior]

tnt down and homer up means, i think, that homer has given provo a bloody nose.
i wouldnt venture as afar as losing a city, but a few units...

 

[Tubby Rower]

units aren't in that formula. just territory, pop, & specialists (maybe happy citizens too)

From the new data, I think that d'nut is occupying a persian city.

 

[Pentium]

That means, before the capture, TNT were bigger than Donuts. They're not agri, while the Donuts are. Why were they bigger then?

 

[Tubby Rower]

correct. If you look at the score graph, TNT surpassed the nutters in turn 23 (12 turns ago)

settler spawning instead of military production. That's one more piece of data that points to nutters attacking TNT. we have at least 5 turns, I'd say, before we meet the northern civ in the other continent

 

[Nikodemus]

I did some approximations to calculate how much of score drop could you expect after losing a town at this point. The assumptions I made are that losing a city would drop the per turn score by some 20% and that the displayed score is really just an average over the per turn scores. This would result in the total score change to be lowered by some 1.5 points per turn. So really, the effect this far in the game would be hardly noticeable.

 

[Tubby Rower]

but the fact that TNT has dropped their acceleration by 1 point per turn for the past two turns, that means that it is probably them.....