[Development Thread] Fictionalization IV

[cfkane]

For some reason I like the idea of a Conan civ.

Well, yeah

I know Cimmeria has already been represented in other mods, but it seemed like such a great idea that I didn't want to leave it out of this mod.

Actually, I could use all the help I could get on this mod. Lend a hand? Or at least ideas?

 

[Amra]

Well, yeah

I know Cimmeria has already been represented in other mods, but it seemed like such a great idea that I didn't want to leave it out of this mod.

Actually, I could use all the help I could get on this mod. Lend a hand? Or at least ideas?

Unfortunately, I am spending all my free time working on converting my modpack to BtS so I don't think I would be able to help adequately other than to throw out some ideas. Sorry.

If you want to include Conan & Kull, you can look thru the civ that I posted for Vanilla Civ4 (see the link in my other post) to get some city lists for both. I actually had Conan as king of the Hyborians which is a more general term for the Fictional era he inhabited.

I have Conan in my modpack (I hope to post a basic version in the next 3 or so weeks, just gotta finish some new LH's) and you are more than welcome to use anything from it for your mod.

As far as heroes for Conan/Hyborians you could use: Belit, Pallantides, Pelias, Red Sonja, Taramis, or Valeria. That's just a few, obviously the books were filled with many characters that I have long since forgotten.

About the only hero (not counting the villains/evil sorcerers) I remember from the Kull stories was Brule.

One other civ you may want to consider (and it's in my modpack, so it's already done) is the Aesir ruled by Odin. That is if you are doing anything involving mythological characters. I can't recall if you said that you were.

Hope that helps a little.

 

[cfkane]

Thanks.

I don't think I'll use the Aesir though. I once thought about using non-human empires in the game like the Faeries and the Martians, but I ditched the idea in favor of just using civilizations that were set on earth only. Maybe some other time though.

And about Kull, I know he was Atlantean by birth, but didn't he grow up to rule some other Hyborian country? If so I may just have to use him as an Atlantean hero instead of a leader. Problem is I can't think of an appropriate Atlantean king to replace him with - preferably someone from myth or folklore (I want to keep Aquaman as a hero).

 

[yenemus]

Well, you're right. Haroun al-Raschid was a real Caliph, but I thought I could use him as Arabia's leader because I think Arabia in this mod will be heavily based on the 1001 Arabian Nights, which in turn was inspired by Raschid's Bagdad. Fiction is always based on fact, which is inspired by fiction.

Okey, I see the kind of Arabia you're going for. I still think you should think twice about using real historical (not even mythological/legendary) leaders in place of completely fictional ones. But then again, I can't really think of a better one. But, seeing as you're basing it on 1001 Arabian Nights, wouldn't Aladdin be a good option as a hero?

Sorry about some of the GPs, I wasn't sure where you were drawing the line. So, are you only having characters that exist in the real world (well, a fictional variation of the real word atleast, as opposed to a parallel universe). I could brainstorm for some more suggestions but maybe you're more interested in finding Leaders/Heroes for the civs first.

EDIT: How could I forget Ali Baba (another character who should definitely be a hero for Arabia).

 

[Gaius Octavius]

I once thought about using non-human empires in the game like the Faeries and the Martians, but I ditched the idea in favor of just using civilizations that were set on earth only. Maybe some other time though.

You could, however, use Martians for a mass invasion in a special event that occurred in maybe 1 out of every 20 games, just like in War of the Worlds.

 

[cfkane]

Well, it's been a long process, but I've finally mapped out the Civs, their leaders, units, and heroes, as well as the Religions, Corporations, Wonders and Projects I'm going to use.

Events and Great People to come soon.

 

[cfkane]

Any feedback would be great

 

[thomas.berubeg]

sounds great, though hogwarts deserves to be a wonder, if some of the stuff your adding really get in...

 

[cfkane]

Shame I didn't think of that myself. Done and done.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

are you planning on adding any special mechanics?

 

[cfkane]

No, it's primarily XML changes and the like. New Units, Wonders, Events, and such. Unless that counts as special mechanics.

Keep in mind I'm a newbie modder, so screw-ups are bound to happen in the alpha stages.

 

[cfkane]

Just added Hogwarts as a wonder and Witchcraft as a religion.

 

[sakhr]

cant wait to test this mod i hope you are planning a map

 

[cfkane]

I actually wasn't planning a map at all. If you have an idea for what a map for this mod would look like I'd love to hear it.

 

[sakhr]

since the mod name is Fictionalization IV i was waiting for a fictional map i cant really suggest one but even on earth map or randomly generated map the mod stay original

 

[cfkane]

Well, I'm doing something like that. I'm not making any scenarios for this mod (yet) but as far as fictional locations...

There's the Wonder list that I've already posted, as well as the five new civs. And on top of that, I'm was going to change add a few new city names as well. So if you play as America as the mod you can build the regular cities like Washington and New York, as well as cities from other fiction like Gotham, Arkham, Mayberry, Vice City and so on.

 

[Gaius Octavius]

You could use the alternate Earth map script (or whatever it is called) to generate landmasses similar to the real Earth in size, location and shape, but not quite the same.

 

[sakhr]

what about the heroes and legendary units? i think its a lot of work there, whats your progress? also im planning to make the Shaolin monk and some fantasy samurai i hope they will be useful for you
pls check the download database maybe you will like some of my units

 

[cfkane]

I wasn't going to write up any of the heroes until I had finished with the leaders, great people, etc. Mainly because that's the easy stuff

Right now I'm going to focus on writing the XML for everything. Once that's done I'll write up a complete list of artwork that I need: leader portraits, units, buildings, icons and so on.

 

[cfkane]

Scratch that. Here's a list of all the units I think I'll need for the mod. Units in bold are heroes, or at least world units.

EDIT: units now have my annotations. Hopefully unit designers will find this helpful.

Spoiler :

Achilles - from Greek Myth; can probably use the phalanx model
Ahuizotl - an Aztec water monster; half dog, half monkey, and with a hand protruding from its tail.
Airavata - in Hinduism, the sacred white elephant that carried Lord Indra
Aladdin - from 1001 Nights; a peasant's look, and carrying his signature lamp. In the mod he'll be used alongside the djinn (see below)
Aloja - Catalan "water-women", not unlike Greek nymphs
Amazon - can be built with the Alliance with Themyscira wonder. Based on the Amazons from DC Comics, which include Wonder Woman
Anansi - a trickster god. Sometimes a spider, sometimes a man, sometimes both
Andalite - from the Animorphs books. Blue centaurs that can shapeshift into other animals.
Angelus - AKA Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Apache Chief - the token Native American from Super Friends
Arsene Lupin - a French gentleman thief; The Penguin stole his look from this guy
Asterix - The Gaul, from French comics. Cute and goofy.
Baron Munchhausen - a real German baron. His look is fairly distinctive; there are many famous caricatures of him.
Barsoomian - a four-armed green Martian from the John Carter series
Benkei - a real Sohei who became legendary in Kabuki drama, most notably the play Kanjincho
Beowulf - I'm thinking of the Zemeckis rendering of Beowulf in his 2007 movie of him
The Black Dragons - these have already been done I believe; Amra's Hyboria custom civ has them as UUs.
Bodhisatva - in Buddhism, humans on their way to reaching enlightenment. Can probably use the Buddhist missionary model, but should have more presence
Bran Mak Morn - made by the same guy who made Conan. Imagine Conan, only Celtic
Brobingnagian - giants from Gulliver's travels. Should probably wear 17th century clothing
Captain America - can be built with the Super Soldier wonder. In game, he'll actually be called Captain France, or Captain Japan, depending on who built him. Should have a color-shifting costume for this purpose.
Centaur - I think centaur models were made for FFH, but these centaurs should look more Hellenic
Centurion - historical unit; commander in the ancient Roman army
Chingachgook - he is The Last of the Mohicans
Cimmerian Warrior - Hyboria's UU. look to either the comics or the movie for appearance ideas.
Conqueror of the Clouds - a steampunk airship. There were lots of these in turn of the 20th century literature, but I'm thinking of the ones from Robur the Conqueror
Count Orlok - the vampire from the film Nosferatu
Coyote - from Native American myth, often shown as an anthropomorphic male coyote
Cuchullainn - from Irish myth; traditionally he fought from a chariot driven by his friend Laeg and his two horses.
D’Artagnan - the Fourth Musketeer
Djinn - known in the west as a genie.
Dob Dob - this unit was already made for someone's custom Tibet civ, I can't remember whose
Don Quixote - skinny guy in a goatee with a lance and bowler hat. The look is famous. Sancho could even ride alongside him.
Donald Blake - Thor, from Marvel Comics
Dragon - from European myth. FFH2 could be raided for this
Durandarte - a legendary Spanish Knight Errant
The Ebony Horse - from 1001 Nights. A mechanical horse that could fly its rider from one place to another
El Mariachi - from the Robert Rodriguez movie and its sequels. A lone gunman in black carrying a guitar
Elric of Melibone - The Eternal Champion. An albino king who wields a great black sword: Stormbringer.
Enkidu - a wildman from the Epic of Gilgamesh. Should probably look like the Enkidu warrior from Civ 3
Faerie - Notice I didn't type "fairy". Should be more like Oberon than Tinkerbell, but still spritely.
Fianna - warriors who followed Fionn mac Cumhaill in Irish myth
Gamera - a giant radioactive turtle, and friend to children.
Glinda, the Good Witch - a pink and bubble-travelling gay icon
Godzilla - run! it is Gojira!
Gunslinger - a generic wild west hero
Hanuman - a monkey king and key player in the Ramayana
Harimtu - a devotee of the goddess Ishtar; a sexualized priestess. Shamhat, who tamed Enkidu, was a harimtu.
Heracles - traditionally depicted wearing a lionskin and carrying a club
Homa - a Persian mythological bird. Iran Air uses it as its logo.
Horatio Hornblower - a naval unit. Should probably be based on Nelson's HMS Victory
Houyhnhm - strongly civilized horses from Gulliver's Travels
Hua Mulan - called Fa Mulan in the Disney film.
Ilya Muromets - a bogatyr (Russian knight)
Imhotep - Boris Karloff's character in the 1932 The Mummy
Impundulu - South African lightning bird; black and white, human sized, lightning charged and often a witch's familiar
Inigo Montoya - "You killed my father. Prepare to die." Master swordsman
Ivan Tsarevich - from many, many tales in Russian folklore. Maybe he could ride a grey wolf?
James Bond - Could easily just reskin the Great Spy for this one.
John Henry - a strong black man with a hammer in his hand; the classic image of the steel drivin' man
Kent Allard- AKA The Shadow
Kit Walker - AKA The Phantom
Knight of the Round Table - from Grail Lore
Kobold - house sprites; similar to dwarves or gnomes
Koschei the Deathless - old, ugly, and immortal. May have had a skeletal appearance
Krishna - prince from Hindu myth. Often depicted with bluish skin
Kull - like Conan, only Atlantean
Kurgan - the bad guy from Highlander
Lee - Bruce Lee. In Enter the Dragon, his character was simply called Lee.
Lestat du Lioncourt - from Anne Rice's novels. played by Tom Cruise in Interview with the Vampire
Lilliputian - tiny people in Gulliver's travels
Loa - spirits in Vodoun myth
Maciste - a muscled and tanned stock character from Italian movies
Manjushrikirti - the eigth king of Shambhala and an incarnation of Tibet's Panchen lamas.
Marxist - of the Groucho variety. I was thinking that this infantry unit could look a bit like Harpo. I believe Harpo was the only one who actually got into battle in Duck Soup.
Mathayus - The Scorpion King. So basically, The Rock.
Maximus Decimus Meridius - Russell Crowe in Gladiator
Mersoldier - naval unit, half man, half fish, fights with a trident
Miles Gloriosus - stock character from Roman plays. More boast than bite, so he should look incredibly impressive.
Moroi - unlike the one in FFH2, should look a bit more ragged and undead
Mufasa - from The Lion King
Namor - The Sub-Mariner from Marvel comics.
Natty Bumppo - from Last of the Mohicans, played by Daniel Day Lewis in the movie.
The Nautilus - I'm rather partial to Kevin O'Neill's design for the Nautilus in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Nosferatu - a typical vampire; sleek, pale and seductive
Odysseus - I was thinking that our version could use a bow, since Odysseus proves himself with his archery skills in The Odyssey
Ogoun - a loa of smithing in Voodoun. Carries a machete and rum.
Omega Red - from Marvel comics; fights with tentacles
Phoenix - the firebird from Middle Eastern myth
Polyreme - since it's Atlantis' UU, should probably be of Minoan design
Popocatepetl - Aztec warrior who later became a volcano
The Prince of Persia - from the Ubisoft games
Pundarika - the Dalai Lamas are supposedly reincarnations of him
Ra’s Al Ghul - from DC comics
Red Skull - from Marvel comics
Red Sonja - from the Conan stories; fleshed out (ha!) in Marvel comics
Robin Hood - perhaps some of the Merry Men could appear with Robin as soldiers in the unit?
Roland - one of Charlemagne's finest knights; carried the unbreakable sword Durandal.
Ronin - lordless samurai; the basis for a lot of Japanese legends
Rostam - from Iranian myth. He shows up in a lot of Persian art if you need a visual reference
Shaolin Monk - Chinese martial artists
Shi’ar - from Marvel comics. There are plenty of prominent individual Shiar, but just a generic warrior unit will do.
Siegfried - also Sigurd. Appears in Nordic myth and Wagnerian opera
Simurgh - a mythical bird-like creature that purifies the land. Appears in a lot of Persian art
Sindbad - I don't know whether to make him a naval unit or a land unit. Any thoughts?
SMERSH Agent - a generic Bond villain's henchman
Smurf - small, blue, put the word "smurf" into EVERYTHING
The Snow Queen - from Hans Christian Anderson's story. White, icy and fearsome
Son Goku - from Dragon Ball Z; preferably in non-Super Saiyan mode
Son Wukong - The Monkey King from Journey to the West. Along with Superman, he was the inspiration for Goku
Superman - The Man of Steel, preferably in his pre-Crisis costume
T’Challa - AKA The Black Panther fro Marvel comics
Tannhauser - from German legend; more of a balladeer than a warrior
Tarzan - well, you know the look
Teth-Adam - AKA Black Adam from DC comics
Thanagarian - also from DC Comics. Winged aliens that gave the world both Hawkman and Hawkgirl
Thunderbird - from Native American myth. Commonly used in artwork such as totem poles
Tralfamadorian - from Slaughterhouse 5; described as "upright toilet plungers"
Triffid - venomous plants from Day of the Triffids and its sequels
Tripod - from War of the Worlds
Tyrannosaurus - a real, extinct, species
Utnapishtim - in Sumerian myth, played Noah's role. Should probably be a naval unit designed like the popular image of Noah's ark.
Valeria - a pirate and lover of Conan
Valkyrie - shieldmaidens from Norse myth
Velociraptor - a real, extinct, species
Victor von Doom - Dr Doom from Marvel comics
Vortigaunt - from Half-Life
Zaitochi - a blind swordsman from Japanese film. Fights with a shikomizue (cane sword)
Zombie - a la George Romero movies
Zorro - another look which should be pretty well-known
Zuul - the "prehistoric b****" from Ghostbusters