[Development Thread] World of Legends - Revived from the dead!

Shiggs713 · Mar 13, 2009

what sort of stuff do you need help with for python? If its just adding or adjusting a few things I could help. I'm not really that experienced with python per se, but I'm more familiar with visual basic, so its not so different. At least the logic is the same, I could just learn the syntax from the original code

cybrxkhan · Mar 13, 2009

Shiggs713 said:
what sort of stuff do you need help with for python? If its just adding or adjusting a few things I could help. I'm not really that experienced with python per se, but I'm more familiar with visual basic, so its not so different. At least the logic is the same, I could just learn the syntax from the original code

Of course, I haven't figured out every possible use of the python that I could have, but there may be some small adjustments I would like to the revolution, inquisition, and great women parts of the mod (see first post) though I am not sure what they are at this time due to the fact that I am still working on other parts of the mod.

I am also considering having screens appear in-game for important events, such as meeting a civilization for the first time, building a first city, building a first unit/ship, things like that. Screens are quite easy for python, so I've heard.

On a clearer note, I was also planning some python-based stuff with the hero units. For example, I am considering a system where a hero unit would disappear after a certain amount of turns (as to make them more strategic). This is only possible through python, I'm sure, and I don't think it is too hard.

I would also like for the hero unit to maybe have a screen appear if it is built (that is probably one of the easier python tasks, I think). There are probably other things with heroes when it comes to python, but I can not remember them right now.

As you can clearly see, I am not so certain about how to use python and that kind of stuff; but most of the important python work will concern the heroes, obviously, as they are the star component of this mod.

Huayna Capac357 · Mar 15, 2009

Could you please have more representation of indigenous American civs? You didn't add a single one...

IrishDragon · Mar 15, 2009

theres only one wol! and thats utopia
http://utopia.swirve.com/

Shiggs713 · Mar 16, 2009

If your wanting to replicate "heros", that could be easily copied and re-adjusted to fit your needs from other mods. HotTK's comes to mind... they have "legion" units that kinda work like the generals did in civ3 except even better.

cybrxkhan · Mar 21, 2009

Huayna Capac357 said:
Could you please have more representation of indigenous American civs? You didn't add a single one...

Although I do agree that Firaxis' choice in lumping all the indigenious american cultures into one civ was ridiculous, WoL is still an unofficial expansion. To simulate an actual expansion, there won't be any separation of the Native American civs. I was considering to add in other American cultures, such as the Olmecs, the Tupi, and so forth, but these were all ruled out in due course as I could not fit in every civilization I wanted to fit in.

Disregarding that, I am not above of making a "modmod" for WoL, in which I will rightfully separate the "Native American Empire" into different civs.

IrishDragon said:
theres only one wol! and thats utopia
http://utopia.swirve.com/

WoL the Civilization 4 Mod is in no way or form affiliated with that WoL, although it is interesting to note "WoL" exists elsewhere...

Shiggs713 said:
If your wanting to replicate "heros", that could be easily copied and re-adjusted to fit your needs from other mods. HotTK's comes to mind... they have "legion" units that kinda work like the generals did in civ3 except even better.

I have looked over HotTK, and am quite impressed with the heroes system. However, the Romance of the Three Kingdoms being the Romance of the THree Kingdoms, I believe that that heroes system is more appropriate for that mod. I hope that the heroes system in WoL will be more simpler, not that that makes it better or worse.

Looking at it all now from a better perspective, I think there are really probably only two major things python-wise I need to do with heroes (everything else is unnecessary/optional) - to make them disappear after a certain amount of turns; and to make screens appear when they are born (and die).

Ekmek · Apr 2, 2009

cybrxkhan said:
[/FONT] I must acknowledge and thank my former team members dutchking, Gaius Octavius, Ball Lightning, and TheLastOne36, as well as those who have helped us, including Zerver, Seven05, Bakuel, and others whom I can not exactly remember at this time (remind me if you want!). Without them, this mod would have never amounted to much.

Please add me for Leaderhead credits. thx.

cybrxkhan · Apr 6, 2009

^ Credit given where it is due and requested.

My apologies; I did give you and others proper credit in the thread for the Alpha Version release, though.

cybrxkhan · Apr 28, 2009

Hello all!

It's been a long while, as I have been having some time and health issues, but I've found some time right now to list a couple of things.

Anyhow, below is a semi-finalized drafts of the new units, buildings, and Wonders to be introduced in WoL (this list, however, does not include the Unique National Wonders or the Hero units).

I will hopefully be talking about other ideas I've had for WoL, as well as additions, later on. I welcome any advice or suggestions you have, as I wish for WoL to be not only fun but also a balanced and well thought out project.

Units:

Spoiler :

Buildings:

Spoiler :

Wonders:

Spoiler :

National Wonders:

Spoiler :

Huayna Capac357 · Apr 28, 2009

Lol. Studio Ghibli is a good idea.

Edgecrusher · Apr 28, 2009

I like the concept the Horseman, however I make 1 suggestion.

I would replace the existing Horse Archer as the Horseman.
Then, call this new unit, the Horse Archer.

My reasoning is this:
Historically, Horse Archers, were a "harassing' unit. They would attack with their arrows from a range, then retreat. This is essentially what a High Withdraw unit will do.

Likewise, the Horseman, fit more in line with what the Horse Archer does in the standard game.

Anyway thats what I do, and have incorperated when I play. Actually, I have the Javelineer, and a "Skirmisher line" of units as well, and the Fireship. weird...

Also a good side effect of this is the fact that the Keshek will now replace the Horseman, and the Mongels will be able to build a Horse Archer. Which is also historically accurate. The Mongels used prime users of this Horse Archer, harrassing warfare,

cybrxkhan · May 6, 2009

Huayna Capac357 said:
Lol. Studio Ghibli is a good idea.

I was thinking maybe Bollywood wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Edgecrusher said:
I like the concept the Horseman, however I make 1 suggestion.

I would replace the existing Horse Archer as the Horseman.
Then, call this new unit, the Horse Archer.

My reasoning is this:
Historically, Horse Archers, were a "harassing' unit. They would attack with their arrows from a range, then retreat. This is essentially what a High Withdraw unit will do.

Likewise, the Horseman, fit more in line with what the Horse Archer does in the standard game.

Anyway thats what I do, and have incorperated when I play. Actually, I have the Javelineer, and a "Skirmisher line" of units as well, and the Fireship. weird...

Also a good side effect of this is the fact that the Keshek will now replace the Horseman, and the Mongels will be able to build a Horse Archer. Which is also historically accurate. The Mongels used prime users of this Horse Archer, harrassing warfare,

In all honesty, you do have a good and interesting point with the switching the Horse Archer and Horseman thing. I think I will do something like that, making the Horse Archer more like a "first strike and withdraw!" unit. As for the Mongol Keshik, I think I'll probably either be replacing the art to make it look more like a horse archer, and/or I'll make the Keshik replace the Knight.

Just as a side note, a common addition for many mods was to create a unit inbetween the Trebuchet and the Cannon, usually a Bombard, Culverin, or something of that sort. I was too lazy to do that, and I did something maybe more simple, in my opinion. I moved the Cannon back to require Chemistry instead of Steel, so that there wouldn't be two types of artillery available during the Industrial Ages.

I may also - though I am not sure at this time - be introducing a new line of units. Namely, these will be extremely cheap and weak units - i.e. militia/partisan/peasant units, that are, well, extremely weak, but also extremely cheap to make. The only real exception to this will be the Guerilla unit available in the late Industrial and Modern ages; the Guerilla, thouguh slightly weak, will have a high withdrawal chance, thus stimulating real life Guerillas, which, as we all know, enjoy the employment of "hit and run" tactics.

Any thoughts or suggestions for the things above?

Huayna Capac357 · May 6, 2009

Bollywood would be great! How about Silicon Valley for video games or computers or something.

cybrxkhan · May 6, 2009

^That was kind of a joke... But I don't really want to stuff up the mod with random wonders, so I set myself 10 as a limit. I think at least 1 "mass media" wonder that's not American-centric or Eurocentric is better than none, right? And what better than Studio Ghilbli!

Huayna Capac357 · May 6, 2009

Thats true. Movies are already in anyways.

cybrxkhan · May 10, 2009

I've decided to share some pics of some work I've already complete.

Below are some screenshots of the new Javelineer unit. In WoL, the Javelineer is an early unit that is best suited for skirmishing. It has a huge withdrawal chance, and also causes collateral damage. This way, even though the damage it does is not that large, it is still extremely useful in weakening larger enemies.

Here, we see an Israelite army facing some Praetorian barbarians:

Praetorians are pretty strong, so attacking them head-on with the Maccabees probably won't be a good idea. We'll attack them with the Javelineers, to weaken them.

The Javelineers managed to kill a Praetorian unit. Not only that, the other Praetorians are weakened slightly. Yes, the Praetorians are still pretty strong, but at least the job is made easier.

(Note: I may have to tweak the Javelineer's stats later, but this is a good preview of them. You may also notice the Horseman unit in the screenshots, too.

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Gurra09 · Jul 5, 2009

Swahililand
Leader: Barghash (Financial, Nationalistic)
UU: Dhow (Caravel) (Can hold any type of unit)
UB: International Port (Harbor) (+1 trade route, +10% gold)

The Dhow has the same bonus as the Portuguese UU, the Carrack, that can hold 2 units of any type. In my opinion, the Dhow doesn't seem very unique because it has the same bonus as another UU.

cybrxkhan · Jul 6, 2009

Gurra09 said:
The Dhow has the same bonus as the Portuguese UU, the Carrack, that can hold 2 units of any type. In my opinion, the Dhow doesn't seem very unique because it has the same bonus as another UU.

Thanks for telling me. I apparently didn't notice that, but I think I'll change the Dhow to have a +1 or +2 movement bonus.

Anyhow, for those who may be wondering, no, this mod isn't dead. I'm about to start work on the hero units. Hopefully I'll try to post some screenshots of anything I have made so far and ask for feedback - unfortunately, my laptop seems to be in a bad mood at the current moment, so I'll have to wait out a few days to fix it up.

Anyhow, below is a very small list of changes to the mod I thought I'd like to tell everyone anyhow:

- the Parthian civ will be replaced by the Hausa civilization
- almost all resources are unrevealed to the player at the beginning of the map; that means, for example, you'd have to have researched Agriculture to know where wheat is, and you'd have to have researched Animal Husbandry to know where cows are; the logic behind this is that if you don't know the technology behind something, why would you care where it is?

Also, I'm still desiring a modder with expertise in python - it's not a dire need, but I'll need one eventually.

Thanks all!

cybrxkhan · Jul 17, 2009

Hello again...

I've changed the main posts to reflect updated information - there's more information now about the heroes, and hero ancillaries, as well as another feature I'll be implementing - guilds.

For your convenience, below is the list of heroes (first one is national hero, second one is military hero. If you have any suggestions or concerns about this list, please feel free to tell me!

Spoiler :

Also, some screenshots of the beginning work on the heroes (evidence at last):

Guan Yu, the Chinese military hero:

Guan Yu in action:

Zheng He, the Chinese national hero:

snipperrabbit!! · Jul 17, 2009

Have you realized that Zheng He is rather decapitated ?

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