Dexter season 6

[NovaKart]

I just saw the first episode. The first episode's original airdate according to imdb was supposed to be Oct2 so I don't know if tomorrow's episode will be new or just the same one and this was an early preview.

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Anyway, looks like they're going for a serial killer, Edward James Olmos, who is pretty effectively creepy, and his protege. I wonder how they met since they don't seem to be related, one is Latino and the other looks Anglo. And full of religious symbolism this time. Pretty nasty with the snakes sewed up in the stomach. I wonder what happened to the Irish babysitter too, since we now have Angel's sister watching Harrison. I have a feeling she might get suspicious about things too but that's what I thought with the last season.

 

[jtb1127]

It sucks. I don't have show time so I can't watch it. Well I guess I can. But I'd prefer showtime. I just realized that I never watched season five though, so it doesn't really matter.

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Season 4 ended with Rita dead in the bath tub yes?

 

[classical_hero]

The show has lost it's spark. The first season of Dexter was a dark and at times comedic show, which made it great to watch I think they took the character too seriously and now it is not good to watch. I have not watched any of season 5 yet and I watch Season four and it just wasn't that good in comparison to the rest of the show.

 

[NovaKart]

Personally I've liked the show the whole time. A lot of people didn't like season 5 but I really liked it. And yes jtb, you're right about how season 4 ended.

 

[jtb1127]

A lot of shows jump the shark like that. I think "Lost" did it the worst. It was so interesting in the first season and then it was pretty interesting in the second season. Okay in the third. And dead in the fourth, fifth, and sixth. I thought the fourth season of Dexter was good.

Anyone care for Breaking Bad around these parts?

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I liked all five seasons so far and i watched six, but somehow the show is starting to overstay it's welcome. Even if the quality doesn't decline, I feel they have exhausted all interesting plotlines of the premise.

Spoiler :

Dark and troubled past revealed; lost brother; choose betwen real brother and foster sister
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Being investigated by his cop buddies
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Getting an accomplice in a powerful position, then realizing the guy's too dangerous and ruthless
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Trying to learn from a real psycho how to bring his serial killing to terms with his family life and losing his family in the process
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Get's an apprentice and falls in love again
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I mean what else is there ? Another serial killer ?
I think they have already decied that there'll be a seventh season. It should be the last one. It's time to put a great show to rest before it get's really stale.
The other issue is the loss of humor in the series, but it's not as bad as in Breaking Bad.
Breaking Bad is still a very good show, but it started as a very dark comedy. Now it's just very dark and sometimes downright depressing.

 

[jtb1127]

But Breaking Bad is only going to have five seasons so there is no need to worry about it seriously getting stale.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Yes, the risk of getting stale was in regards to Dexter. Breaking Bad has the problem that it's not as funny as it used to be. I mean the impromptu poisoning, the bathtub scene, Heisenbergs Fulminate stunt...you don't see scenes like that in Season 5.

 

[jtb1127]

I agree with the humor part. That is one negative. It still remains quite fresh and somewhat thrilling. I would say BB is the best show on cable tv, no?

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I think it's time for a mid season assessment now that we're about halfway through.
I said it's about to get stale and maybe it is, but not as fast or obvious as I feared.
Season six reminds pretty much of season one in a good way.

Spoiler :

No family baggage, no love interest and we're back to black humor and murdering.
I really loved last episodes scene with Dex in the back seat. It had a very cool 'chat with the devil' vibe, mostly thanks to Dexters voice and the lighting. the only think I don't really like that mch is this season's serial killer. Fundamentalist nut is a theme the series didn't have so far, and Olmos can pull it off, but I miss the connection to Dexter and the tension suffers from it. Oh, now he's interested in religion and the killer is religious. It compares poorly to the Ice Truck Killer who had a very special connection with Dexter, the Bay Harbor Butcher case, the unhinged sidekick or the screwed up family man/role model.

 

[classical_hero]

Can you spoiler any info about the season six, since it has not started to air in Australia yet, but it will start soon. It is just a common courtesy.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Episode 9 was awesome ! I did not see that coming, though maybe I should have. It explains a lot.

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I was starting to get annoyed at how Geller always seems to be a step ahead and know where Travis is. It also puts episode eight in context when Dexter seemed to go off the deep end with his brother.

 

[classical_hero]

So far it has not been anything special, it is only up to episode 3, but I can see they are building up things, so I will have to wait to see how awesome they really are.

 

[NovaKart]

I was surprised

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I didn't expect it either. I guess we're dealing with a multiple personality type.

 

[Winner]

Episode 9 was awesome ! I did not see that coming, though maybe I should have. It explains a lot.

Spoiler :

I was starting to get annoyed at how Geller always seems to be a step ahead and know where Travis is. It also puts episode eight in context when Dexter seemed to go off the deep end with his brother.

I was surprised

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I didn't expect it either. I guess we're dealing with a multiple personality type.

The consensus on Czech forums is that this was so obvious that this big "revelation" wasn't revelation at all.

Plus, it's really getting ridiculous how everything slides - the script is so full of holes it could double as a sieve. I mean, watch the first season again. That Dexter would never be so bloody careless. Here he just keeps giving the police tons of potential evidence against him (he doesn't even wear a mask as he does in the books) by being directly involved in all their major cases.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Did the people on the Chech forums know before ? It seems ovbious in hindsight, but it did surprise me.
And that Dexter has changed as a person was to be expected. He's developed and become more human during the series, but not all changes were for the better (and I mean for him as a person, not for the story): He has already started to pervert Harry's code in season four. Initially he was supposed to only kill people who have gotten away with murder, but during the Trinity case (maybe earlier, I'm not sure) he's started to actively sabotage police investigations just so he can get the killer himself, or in Trinity's case learn from him.
Imho it's more character development than inconsistent writing.

 

[Winner]

Did the people on the Chech Czech forums know before ? It seems ovbious in hindsight, but it did surprise me.

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Well, I realized it early on, or at least I strongly suspected it. I know Eddie Olmos from Battlestar Galactica, where practically everyone sees people who are not there, and the association led me to it. Then I started watching it more carefully, and the suspicion grew. I was pretty much convinced the episode before the last, when Geller disappeared just in time for Dexter not to see him, after Travis looked his way.

And that Dexter has changed as a person was to be expected. He's developed and become more human during the series, but not all changes were for the better (and I mean for him as a person, not for the story): He has already started to pervert Harry's code in season four. Initially he was supposed to only kill people who have gotten away with murder, but during the Trinity case (maybe earlier, I'm not sure) he's started to actively sabotage police investigations just so he can get the killer himself, or in Trinity's case learn from him.

And that's why Season 6 Dexter would end up on Season 1 Dexter's table

Imho it's more character development than inconsistent writing.

Just take the last episode as an example:

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Let's forget for a moment how they got to the university building without anyone noticing, with Dexter being completely unphased about the possibility of being caught on a security camera - clearly, his badass serial killer shirt makes him invisible OK, so Dexter gets stuck in a lift for like 5 minutes. In this time Travis manages to kill Richard Dawkins the atheist professor, drag him all the way to the auditorium (with nobody noticing), cut him open, gut him, install the blood containers on the ceiling, prepare the trap mechanism, remove the hand, hide it in his pocket (apparently), return to Dexter, and make everything look like Geller did it.

Oooooohhhhh riiiigggggghhhht, this makes sense, doesn't it? And believe me, this is not an isolated case, the writing has really got incredibly sloppy in comparison to Season 1. It really feels like the screenwriters are thinking the viewers are idiots who can be fed such crap. And sadly, they are probably right.

In general, just think about the last 3 seasons - Dexter would be caught, because he got himself involved in major police investigations, showed his face to people who were questioned by the police, probably appeared on thousands of security cameras, his voice got recorded, his police records search history is damning, and so on and so forth.

Don't take this wrong, it's stil worth watching, but quality wise, Season 1 is something else entirely.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

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And that's why Season 6 Dexter would end up on Season 1 Dexter's table

Not sure about that. I've been rewatching Season 1 and 2 this week, and he's most unhinged in Season 2. He's also made some serious mistakes, and was only saved by luck several times.

Just take the last episode as an example:

OK, that was a plot hole. I even suspected him, but then dismissed it because he wouldn't have had enough time.

I haven't realized a large drop in quality, but I have to say, rewatching season 1 and 2 really makes me miss Doakes.

 

[classical_hero]

But unfortunately Doakes had to die for the show to continue.

 

[NovaKart]

I just saw the latest episode.

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It seems like they're playing around with the fact that Jennifer Carpenter and Michael C. Hall were actually married. Now they're divorced. Actually I don't know if that's the writers' motivation and I think it's probably not but that just makes the whole thing stranger.

Now it looks like we've also established that La Guerta is just a sociopath who has absolutely no morals when it comes to furthering her career.