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DG4 Proposal: History Dept

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game III: Citizens' started by FortyJ, Oct 24, 2003.

  1. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    I still don't see the point in this thread! I don't mind government sponsorship of a history department but I think that if a leader (say the president or domestic leader or even the culture minister if there's still one) could just go ahead and create such a thing, appoint someone to do it and that's it. Do we need a citizen vote to rubber stamp the idea or to confirm someone in the office? NO

    I also think we should avoid (as far as government sanction goes) is officially declaring that we have to have such and such an office that performs such and such function because then we have to make rules and regulations regarding the whole thing and we have enough to do trying to figure out the rules and regulations for those who have authority to make Civ III game play decisions. A suggested rule of thumb is:

    If it doesn't carry any authority to make Civ III game play decisions (I.e., if the *officer* can't post any legal instructions then let's let our leaders be constrained only by their imagination in creating and staffing offices.
     
  2. Donovan Zoi

    Donovan Zoi The Return

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    I fully agree that there should be no pomp and circumstance when it comes to filling offices such as this one(let's call them Support Offices). If the desire is there, then by all means, the position is yours.

    For instance, as far as I'm concerned FortyJ and Cyc are now in control of running the CHD without needing a confirmation poll to do so. Fionn McCumhall runs the Website Office. I am already trying to round up the Election Office gang for a command performance since our DG3 elections seemed to go on without a hitch.

    I will be posting a discussion thread on Support Offices shortly. The first post will show each office that I am aware of, along with its staff. The thread will be used to shore up some of the other positions.
     
  3. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    @ donsig. Just so you know donsig, I agree with you also. I don't really see any need to put the CHD under any of the bonafide "Leaders" control or juridiction. Heck, it's just a storyline that parallels the history of the game. A factual based plot for a novel of indefinite length. Why do we need rules and regulations for that?

    I get the feeling that you think we're creating a Leadership position or a new Department. We're not. We're just trying to participate in the game by nailing down a part of the Demogame that has been fleeting at best. That being history. And as I said before, we're just creating a fictional storyline based on the events in the Demogame.

    In initiating this Office, we as a team, are giving the concept of the history of DG4 a base. A point at which to start. A coheasive gathering of ideas. This is not meant to hurt anyone or crowd out anyone else's ideas. It's just something we put together and are presenting to the citizens of the Demogame.

    Have I helped you understand the reason for this thread at all?
     
  4. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    @ Cyc: No, I still don't see the point. Like I said before, just do it. :) I don't think you're creating a leadership position or trying to crowd anyone out of anything. If I decide to run a newspaper in DG4 I'll do it no matter what anyone else is or isn't doing. What bothers me about this is how it will relate to the proposed restrictive rule set that is being comtemplated. I've also been harping on the *just do it* line because this is a prime example of something that falls under the *procedures* level of the DG3 rule set. A history office can and should have some sort of official recognition from both the government and citizens, let's just leave it out of the rules, please.
     
  5. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    quoting donsig:
    "What bothers me about this is how it will relate to the proposed restrictive rule set that is being comtemplated. "

    And I just don't see your point donsig, my friend. How can you misconcsrew this thread to being related to the restrictive ruleset?
     
  6. Donovan Zoi

    Donovan Zoi The Return

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    Cyc, I think all donsig wants is for us to not put your endeavor in the CoS or CoP or whatever we are going to call it.......... ;)

    donsig, I promise I will do what I can on this, but it all depends on things that haven't been decided yet. Your objection is noted and will be considered when the time comes. :)
     
  7. FortyJ

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    Ummm... I really think this thread has taken on a life that neither Cyc nor I intended for it.

    Just to set the record straight:
    1. I never intended to run a poll asking permission to create this office. Essentially, this post would serve that purpose in that if a large number of people had posted their objections to this proposal, I probably would not pursue this office further.
    2. I never intended for this office, nor any other office of similar stature (Cartography, Census, City Names, etc...), to be included in the rules in the official ruleset. Doing so is unnecessary and would likely only result in making the rules even more confusing.
    3. The decision to post this proposal now instead of simply springing the idea on people at the commencement of playing DG4 was based primarily on the fact that Cyc and I believed that we would need some help to coordinate this office and to prime the well, so to speak (ie. get everyone's creative juices flowing).
    4. Posting this now may help streamline some rules of conduct before we get too far into the game. Specifically, how do we handle the killings of NPCs (much like the recent demise of the lovable Don in the Gorina thread ;)) and other irreversible plot twists woven into the fabric of the story unexpectedly. Fleshing these issues out now will undoubtedly provide for a smooth start to the department once the game gets started.
    I apologize to everyone who believes that this thread is detracting from the other important issues being discussed in this forum while we await the commencement of DG4. I can only hope that the finished product from the Creative History Department proves to be well worth the inconvenience.
     
  8. FionnMcCumhall

    FionnMcCumhall Emperor

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    it doesnt. This offices only serve up a roleplay function, some are more official ie: the Website, but yet does not operate under DG rules. I highly doubt that i could be PI'd for my running of the website if i miss some updates (least i hope not ;)). This is a good idea and will more than likly help to revive the role play aspect of the demogame sorely missing from this past dg.

    @Forty i really think you should bring back some aspect of the Gold Bluff Casino into the new game as well.
     

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