Did Adam/Eve procreate with their own children or...

[Zany]

Isn't that sort of a given, even if you don't believe the Genesis account? If you believe in evolution, we would be related anyway. (Unless you're seriously suggesting that multiple races of humanoids capable of breeding with each other evolved completely seperate from each other. And as I find it hard to believe it happened once, I think twice or more would be just impossible)

Right on, after all, that's what Hitler wanted to believe. Just kidding, I hope no one thinks I am calling you Nazis, because in the other threads someone thought I was calling atheists socialists. But neither is true.

Where is Curt when you need him?

Who? For some reason I expect him to be a hardcore atheist/evolutionist.

Zany, you are clearly just cramming your own interpretations into a very weak (if at all existent) logical framework. Try harder please, like bible quotes for instance. I'm especially interested in the bible quote that says God is omnipotent/omniscient.

Maybe so, on a limited level. But you should learn more about Hebrew and translations before you go saying (Birdjaguar I am basically talking to, but quoting so many things is kind of tedious) mild differences like good, very good, perfect. Now I don't mean good and perfect are similar, but good and very good are and further more very good and perfect are. However, I am a Bible literalist, I just mean descriptions, when there are in the exact same context, are often the victim of lazy translation. Verbs are big thing in the Bible, such as how saying the two accounts of Genesis contradict on the creation of animals. Sorry to keep going off-topic, but how on-topic was this to begin with? In one account, God gives a clear chronology in order and animals are created before man. Understanding Hebrew (I don't speak Hebrew or anything, but I do understand the language, just not if I hear it being spoken, and I know a lot about Biblical translations) helps in the next part, and how verbs are used in a context. In the second telling, God reinforces and explains again animals were created before man. Some people think it says (well, not my translation of the Bible, it is more accurate than, say, the King James version) that Adam was created, then animals as potential companions for the man, and then woman. It actuall says in Hebrew, though not really worded like this "He (God) had already created all the animals of the field".

I am such a rambler, I can't help but go off-topic. Now I'll try to find some Bible quotes for you, but I know for a fact it says God is omnipotent and omnipresent. Quasar1011 is great at it or knows a good resource, I have to take like a half-hour to find something. I guess I just reinforced how I can't help but go off-topic.

 

[Royal]

Then it gets even worse. Killing all but Noah and his family...

Thus, I don't believe in the bible.

IIRC Noah's sons and daughters were already married to other people by that point (those that weren't sinful) and thus nothing would have been strange...

About disease and everything, wouldn't God have to help all living things, even bacteria, etc, sicne he is the divine creator? And bacteria play a very important part in the ecosystem; taking them out would be disasterous.

 

[Zany]

IIRC Noah's sons and daughters were already married to other people by that point (those that weren't sinful) and thus nothing would have been strange...

About disease and everything, wouldn't God have to help all living things, even bacteria, etc, sicne he is the divine creator? And bacteria play a very important part in the ecosystem; taking them out would be disasterous.

Sorry, I'm out of the loop in this thread. You're talking about the Flood now, in the middle of a only partially serious thread, right? God didn't wipe out bacteria, they just weren't onboard the Ark as told to Noah. Bacteria are everywhere, on this keyboard right now I as type with my bacteria-covered fingers. They do not need to be "saved" from anything.

Then it gets even worse. Killing all but Noah and his family...

Thus, I don't believe in the bible.

First of all, how you misunderstand God does not mean He doesn't exist or not. Saying you don't find Him just doesn't mean He doesn't exist, not at all. God didn't save the world because it was all wicked, he did save all who were left righteous. God was reluctant to. He could have killed Adam right away, but he was still righteous at heart. Don't you know what Abraham said to God before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Paraphrasing, here is what happened
Abraham: What if there are 50 good people? Will you save the city then?
God: Yes, I will save the whole wicked city for the sake of 50.
Abraham: What about 45?
God: Yes.
Abraham: I probably should stop asking, but what about 40?
God: Yes, I will still save it for the sake of 40 good out of a city's worth of bad.
Abraham: May I be so bold to ask about 30?
God: Yes, I will still save it.
Abraham: And 20?
God: You could just skip to the point, I am God and know where you are going with this. But yeah, 20.
Abraham: May I be so bold to ask about 10 righteous people?
God: I will still save all the wicked for the sake of 10 righteous in their presence.
Abraham: I really should stop asking, but what about 5?
God: Yes, I will save the city for 5 righteous hearts.
Abraham: So if none are found you will destroy a whole city?
God: I will destroy a whole city's worth of people if they are scattered across the face of the earth, but they are concentrated there. If you didn't obey me and leave behind your wealthy life in Ur I would just give up you. Like I don't have enough headaches!

 

[ironduck]

Lilith isn't mentioned in the Bible, she's part of the extracanonical Jewish folk tradition. The story is that she was the first woman that God made for Adam, but that she wouldn't act properly (i.e. she preferred to be "on top", if you know what I mean), and for this Adam kicked her out of Eden. God created Eve, and the Genesis story progresses as normal. But now, the thinking goes, Lilith is out in the wilderness somewhere, and when Cain is banished from his parents, he manages to meet up with her and gets to procreatin'.

How disturbed are the people who make up these stories? They have got to have the worst sexual minority complex in the history of mankind!

 

[Zany]

Lilith has no basis in the Bible, so why is it at all associated with Christianity? It is very simple, Cain was already married to his sister when he murdered Abel (all the Bible says is Abel made a livestock offering and Cain an insulting offering, it doesn't mean no one was around, and also, the Bible does not mention female names in genealogies or chronologies much anyway) and then left for Nod. He settled in Nod with his wife. It is truly quite sad that where Cain got his wife is a "mystery".