Did Adam/Eve procreate with their own children or...

[Taliesin]

Well, I suppose it's possible, though extremely unlikely, that there was a daughter born before the murder of Abel without it being recorded. It does seem fairly clear to me, however, that Cain is forever separated from his family by his sentence to be "a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth", so he would not have been able to take one of his sisters to wife. I do agree that Cain sleeping with Eve is the least plausible explanation.

All wicked people are descended from Adam.

Oh, yes, I know that. Sorry to be unclear. I just meant that Cain's offspring (the "wicked people") and Seth's offspring present different problems that have to be dealt with separately.

 

[Taliesin]

Lol, actually me and my brother had a discussion about it, turns out their children would turn out ********...

It should be noted that brother-sister incest, while not a great idea compared to the alternative, isn't that likely to produce birth abnormalities. With the exception of specific genetic problems running in the family, there is only a somewhat increased probability of defects.

 

[Keirador]

And, supposedly, the first people God created were much better off genetically, with almost no flaws, so inbreeding wouldn't really cause much a problem, as there weren't genetic abnormalities to expose.
That being said, I do not believe in the literal truth of the Garden of Eden parable, nor does my Church.

 

[Taliesin]

That being said, I do not believe in the literal truth of the Garden of Eden parable, nor does my Church.

Of course. But it takes the form of a literal account, and so the integrity of the literal meaning should be assured.

 

[Nobody]

So maybe we are just ****** versions of what god looked like. maybe adam was in his image with 3 arms and eyes in back of head. but we are inbred mutations of it.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Of course. But it takes the form of a literal account, and so the integrity of the literal meaning should be assured.

Why is that? Who knows the actual intent of the arthor?

 

[Zany]

Lol, actually me and my brother had a discussion about it, turns out their children would turn out ********.

Not with a healthy gene pool. Inbreeding NOW is dangerous because both parents could have a "bad" gene, like a history of celiac disease or something. Adam was created perfect, no illness and so no genetic faults.

Adam had sons and daughters, so siblings married. VERY simple, but unfortunately it is a big "mystery" to people. No offense anyone.

 

[Elta]

while Iam not exactly a christan I do know a little bit

it clearly says when cain left he found other people

and where it says mother of all living they mean -Jesus without Jesus your soul is well ..dead right?
allthou I don't think it's litteral

 

[Elta]

p.s. no Bible here at my sisters house anyone know a good site with the KJB online?

 

[Kozmos]

On the first question, there are three theories:
1) Cain had children with Eve, a sinful act which produced unclean offspring.
2) Cain had children with Adam's first wife Lilith, which was even worse because she was already demonic.
3) Cain committed bestiality in the wilderness and sired a race of monsters, which later mixed with the half-angels to produce the doubly monstrous and gigantic Nephilim.

**** I didnt even know that,this only shows the Bable was written by a perverse writers.

 

[Zany]

it clearly says when cain left he found other people

No, it doesn't! Read it closer! It says Cain left for Nod with his wife, his sister. After all, if Cain and Abel are grown-up (maybe around 25) and close in age, why don't they have siblings closer in age? Well, they did! Seth was born after Abel to replace him as the righteous male and basically, "heir" to something as being the ancestor of Noah, and thereby Abraham, David, and Jesus.

 

[Quasar1011]

Cleric, please note that Taliesin offered 3 scenarios, none of which the Bible claims actually happened. I still say Cain married a sister; it makes the most logical sense. After all, we are not told when Cain found a wife; it could have been years, long enough for one of his younger sisters to reach breeding age. The Bible account does not say that Cain left Eden, and found other people living elsewhere. It says this:

But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. (Genesis 4:15-17)

So, it is entirely possible that Cain was already married to a sister, by the time he killed his brother Abel. The people in the land of Nod, in the city of Enoch, were all Cain's descendants. Those are your "other people".

edit: well said, Zany! I agree.

 

[Elta]

Cleric, please note that Taliesin offered 3 scenarios, none of which the Bible claims actually happened. I still say Cain married a sister; it makes the most logical sense. After all, we are not told when Cain found a wife; it could have been years, long enough for one of his younger sisters to reach breeding age. The Bible account does not say that Cain left Eden, and found other people living elsewhere. It says this:

But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. (Genesis 4:15-17)

So, it is entirely possible that Cain was already married to a sister, by the time he killed his brother Abel. The people in the land of Nod, in the city of Enoch, were all Cain's descendants. Those are your "other people".

edit: well said, Zany! I agree.

I can't defend myself without a Bible ..... *still looking*

 

[Kozmos]

Cleric, please note that Taliesin offered 3 scenarios, none of which the Bible claims actually happened. I still say Cain married a sister; it makes the most logical sense. After all, we are not told when Cain found a wife; it could have been years, long enough for one of his younger sisters to reach breeding age. The Bible account does not say that Cain left Eden, and found other people living elsewhere. It says this:

So did it with his sister instead,well that makes it normal...

 

[newfangle]

Adam was created perfect, no illness and so no genetic faults.

I'm no biblical scholar, but where the frack does it say that? And why on earth would God allow his children to develop genetic problems if their [human] father was perfect? fudging myth logic....

 

[Zany]

First off, a general to Quasar1011.

I'm no biblical scholar, but where the frack does it say that? And why on earth would God allow his children to develop genetic problems if their [human] father was perfect? fudging myth logic....

Mankind sinned, God didn't want it to happen. But, since he is omnipotent and omnipresent, he still has to initiate actions even though he knows they are going to happen. Sort of like you have to break eggs to make an omelette, sort of, not exactly. Remember, God said about Adam (mankind in general, before sinning and also before Adam really "woke up"), that he was "very good". For God to say something is very good it must be perfect, so mankind had perfect health then, since he couldn't die, and also because he didn't sin yet. A good lesson for us all, if you do ANYTHING, you'll do something wrong.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Remember, God said about Adam (mankind in general, before sinning and also before Adam really "woke up"), that he was "very good". For God to say something is very good it must be perfect, so mankind had perfect health then, since he couldn't die, and also because he didn't sin yet. A good lesson for us all, if you do ANYTHING, you'll do something wrong.

For god to say something is very good does not lead to saying it is perfect. That is your very human interpretation. IIRC god called creation only "good" as he made things. By your logic, then creation was less than perfect (good versus very good). Or do good and very good mean the same thing now.

 

[newfangle]

Zany, you are clearly just cramming your own interpretations into a very weak (if at all existent) logical framework. Try harder please, like bible quotes for instance. I'm especially interested in the bible quote that says God is omnipotent/omniscient.

 

[Kozmos]

Where is Curt when you need him?

 

[Elrohir]

oh my god we are all related!

Isn't that sort of a given, even if you don't believe the Genesis account? If you believe in evolution, we would be related anyway. (Unless you're seriously suggesting that multiple races of humanoids capable of breeding with each other evolved completely seperate from each other. And as I find it hard to believe it happened once, I think twice or more would be just impossible)