Did Denmark ever conquer Scotland?

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Ok I had this discussion with one of my friends. I said Denmark never conquerd Scotland, he said we did. Denmark have never conquerd Scotland, or even annexed, right? In case im right(which im sure I am) I need some links he we would trust. He is very suspecious, so they have to be reliable.

please:)
 
I don't know much about Scotland, but if Denmark had ever conquered Scotland I'm sure I would've known about that.

I think there may be some connection with some of the Scottish Islands though.
 
no links, just browsed through some scottish history sites-- no, norsemen conquerored orkney, shetland,the hebrides and some mainland, it it wasn't always danes doing it, sometimes it was norwegiens too
 
Denmark did not conquer Scotland.


The Danes invaded and successfully implemented Danelaw in Eastern England however.
 
Just for a 4th opinion thingie, Scotland has never been conquered by the Danes. AFAIK, no-one has ever fully conquered Scotland... (my first post in the history forum :))
 
Good then we agree, but I need some sources that he would trust(I dont have to say he does´nt trust me). A picture showing Scotlands history from 500 to 1100 would be enough:)
 
The first Viking raids on Northumbria, including the church at Lindisfarne, had taken place in the 790s. Shortly after, Iona and Skye suffered a series of raids, culminating in the slaughter of 68 monks of Iona in 806. In 839 a great defeat “in which the flower of the Pictish nobility was destroyed” was reported. Viking pressure can account for the shift of the Ionan Church eastwards and indirectly explain the emergence of the kingdom of the Scots in a new guise in the early 840s under Kenneth mac Alpin. The Scandinavian threat increased as the 9th century went on. In 870, Vikings took Dumbarton Rock (just west of Glasgow) and the kingdoms within Scotland were threatened by a pincer, from the Danish capital of York and the Viking capital of Dublin. Scandinavian pressure was felt, too, in the north: the earldom of Orkney extended as far south on the mainland as Ross and Cromarty. By the 930s, though, the classic Viking era was nearing its end. The evidence of placenames and of grave goods begins by then to suggest settlers rather than ferocious raiders.

Norwegian adventurers joined Danish Vikings in subjugating much of northern England (the Danelaw) before settling there as farmers and traders and developing great mercantile cities such as York, while gradually extending their settlement into unconquered northern areas such as Cumbria. They also took over the Northern Isles of Scotland (Shetland and the Orkneys), the Hebrides, and much of mainland Scotland as well. In Ireland they played a lusty part in the internecine squabbles of rival Irish clans, and they founded Ireland’s first trading towns: Dublin, Waterford, Wexford, Wicklow, and Limerick.

Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2002.

Note: “....and much of mainland Scotland as well....”, but not all of it. ;)

("There is nothing like a Dane, nothing in the world, there is nothing you can name that is anything like a Dane".....from the musical 'South Pacific'. :D )
http://www.ericdsnider.com/view.php?srkey=35
 
To say it was "Denmark" is a fallacy- that's like suggesting the Crusades were Italian. They were Norse invasions, but owed very little to anything within the geographical constraints of what was "Denmark", then or now.

The Scottish dominion was mainly administered by the Kings of Man, who were descended from Ivar the Boneless (Danish by birth), but most of the real control was backed by the Norse powerbases of Dublin and York- predominantly by Ivar's people in Dublin. While they were in control of much of the Western Isles, most of the mainland they held fell firmly under the acronym MAMBA ("mile after mile of bugger all").

That all changed in 1158 when the Gaelic hero Somerled kick seven shades of poo out of them and installed himself as the first Lord of the Isles. The descendents of the Man kings in Scotland continued to wield influence as the MacLeod clan, who went through another 450 years of brutal clan wafare with the MacDonalds (descended from Somerled).
 
Kryten, your source says (or should MEAN) NORWEIGANS not Danes occupied parts of Scotland, the extent it gives is wrong. Read the language again and you should find it doesn't mean the Norweigans acted jointly with the Danes occupying Orkney etc but as a separate entity. If this is not the case, then your source is WRONG.

My source is the "The Times History of the World" and all the other books I've read on this subject and they differentiate Norway from Denmark. Never mind the Norweigans never came close to fully occupying Scotland...the extent of Danish settlement can easily be determined by the names of settlements. The did not extend much into Scotland beyond a thin stip in the South-West of Scotland along the coast extending from Cumbria.

The Viking intervention and settlement in Scotland was mainly by Norweigans and then mainly in the North of Scotland and the area now known as Aberdeenshire as well as the islands off the Scottish mainland.
 
Originally posted by kittenOFchaos
Kryten, your source says (or should MEAN) NORWEIGANS not Danes occupied parts of Scotland, the extent it gives is wrong. Read the language again and you should find it doesn't mean the Norweigans acted jointly with the Danes occupying Orkney etc but as a separate entity. If this is not the case, then your source is WRONG.

I must admit that the Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia is not exactly an in depth historical reference source....but it does admit that that the Vikings (be they Danish, Norweigan, or other Scandinavian peoples) did NOT conquer the whole of Scotland.

All complaints to Mircosoft Encarta please....not me! :D
 
OK, guys, trust me, Denmark never conquered Scotland. Scotland was only ever conquered 1) by Oliver Cromwell and 2) in the political annexation of 1707-45.

Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia is misleading you. At the most, only Galloway, Caithness & Sutherland and the Isles came under Scandinvian domination. But the Scottish kingdom after 843 was never seriously threatened by any Scandinavian monarch. The Scottish lowlands and southern Highlands were hardly touched at all. :D

Yoda...have no doubt about it. Denmark never conquered Scotland!
 
Why would the Danes want Scotland?

Seriously, while there was a lot of raiding of Scotland, there was little conquering. While various flavors of Vikings moved into England, they had enough sense to leave Scotland to the Scots (or Picts, as they were at that time).
 
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