Diplo for D'nut

[Tubby Rower]

How does this sound?

To the great nation of Doughnutia:

We have acquired Writing this turn. Time has flown by so we were mistaken in our conversation last night(for us)/this morning(for Robi) when telling him that Writing was due in 4-5 turns.

We propose that the deal move forward this turn. Below is the procedure for the deal.
1. KISS will send Warrior Code, Iron Working, Ceremonial Burial this turn.
2. D'nut adds Philosophy and Code of Laws during their next turn and accepts the deal.
3. KISS will accept the deal next turn and send Mysticism already accepted to finalize the deal.

Please respond quickly in order to facilitate this trade between our two great nations as quickly as possible.

Your grateful camarilla,
Team KISS

btw, [def]
camarilla (n.) A group of confidential, often scheming advisers; a cabal.

 

[Whomp]

I think we go forward but I know Daghie is not liking the deal. Please discuss if you dissent and why.

My view is we need to concentrate on our game (growth and republic) and the means to this end is available. My .02.

btw, Whomp sorry to see the Sox lose.... I don't really like the Angels. But as long as whoever wins kicks St' Louis's butt I really don't care. The cards are getting a little cocky.

Thanks Tubs. I have come to the realization I should avoid all big games with my teams. I'm mush. I was at the Illinois-Arizona basketball game when the Wildcats gave up a 15 point lead with 1 1/2 minutes left in the game. The White Sox didn't execute. It's a long series so I'm still confident.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I guess I can go ahead and send the techs this turn but not accept them. If something is wrong we or they will still have an opportunity to back out.

 

[Daghdha]

I don't want to hold this up. My line of reasoning is built on assumptions and I'm not the one to say they're correct. Both Tubbs and Whomp are more experienced traders so you guys go ahead and send the propousal. It is in no way a "bad" deal.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Both Tubbs and Whomp are more experienced traders so you guys go ahead and send the propousal.

I've never played a PBEM before this. Don't assume I know what I'm doing. If AK & Mistfit wasn't there, there is no telling how it would have come out. We might have ended up at war with ourselves

 

[Whomp]

I guess my thinking on this is our double research capabilities will leave the two warring nations in the dust economically and on expansion. Donut having the capability to fight is a good thing for both MIA and KISS. MIA will be a client state IMO since their expansion simply can not keep pace with us.

The biggest risk to us in this whole scenario is if we got backstabbed by MIA and we don't have the military to fight them off. The moment our military pump is up and running there is no stopping the freight train known as KISS.

 

[Daghdha]

I guess my thinking on this is our double research capabilities will leave the two warring nations in the dust economically and on expansion

I garee totally but I think maybe we could make even better use of this fact by being a bit "tight" about selling these techs.

 

[Coinich]

My .03 cents (must one-up Whomp)

My view is we need to concentrate on our game (growth and republic) and the means to this end is available

I concur.

Caveat and disclaimer: I am new to this game, so I may not be playing with a full deck. Which, come to think of it, actually makes me VERY qualified to make such a recommendation.

 

[Tubby Rower]

btw, the letter above has been sent via PM to Robi & Daveshack and to their gmail account. I hope they respond soon so I can play the turn.

 

[Daghdha]

just found this in our mail-box:

Spoiler :

To our friends in the great nation of KISS,

We have accepted the trade offer proposed between our two fine
nations. We will give you Code of Laws and Philosophy in exchange for
Warrior Code, Iron Working, Cerimonial Burial and Mystisicim.

The order you proposed, which is;
1. KISS will send Warrior Code, Iron Working, Ceremonial Burial this turn.
2. D'nut adds Philosophy and Code of Laws during their next turn and
accepts the deal.
3. KISS will accept the deal next turn and send Mysticism already
accepted to finalize the deal.

We are happy with this order, so you may proceed as planned.



Now that this deal is concluded, i would like to discuss another
matter with you. During our discussion of the above deal an idea came
up for further trade possibilities. You mentioned in our talk
yesterday that your nation was interested in Republic. So if your next
research goal is Republic, we would like a trade agreement in advance.

While you research Republic, we could for example research Horseback
Riding, Masonry, Mathematics and Literature. Once everythings
completed we would trade. We believe given our similar research
capabilities this could be done in an equal amount of time. We would
of course during this time keep each other informed of the progress at
regular intervals.

Once again we celebrate our trade with your great nation and ask you
to consider our proposal on the advanced trade.


Thank you
Robi D, Foreign Affairs Consul, Doughnutia

I'm thinking we want to see which way the wind blows on their continent before we do any long-term agreements. Of course it's a very good deal for them since they can use both math and HBR in the conflict and a swift shift of gov. when it's over. For us....I dunno.

 

[Tubby Rower]

The problem is that we'll be getting Masonry from MIA as a part of an earlier deal. that makes the beaker cost 840 to 690 in their favor. Not a good deal for us.

Unless they can provide us with techs as they are researched instead of trading all at the end, there's no way I'd make this agreement even if the tech costs were closer to fair.

All I know is that after this deal is done, that we start research on Republic. Just like the AI, these guys would sell their left nut for Republic. Now that we have the pre-requisites and the lack of war to facilitate researching it, I see no need to make a deal until this gets closer.

 

[Whomp]

We should explain to Donut that we already have a deal pending for wheel and masonry for writing with MIA. MIA has explained they don't need writing and this is why. In the meantime, let Donut research Horseback Riding and Mathematics (war path) (then monarchy?) while MIA goes down the Map making, Lit and construction (peace path).

We need to give a heads up to MIA.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Heads up to MIA yes. They also need to know about our contact. If I could get onto AIM then I'd send fe the info but I can't.

Let's hold off on letting D'nut know about our deal with MIA until this one is done. They still have to send us the CoL and Philo. After that we'll be in the catbird seat and can then tell them.

 

[Kickbooti]

After reading and ruminating today I have an idea that may be able to be incorporated into our communications with the Nuts.

1) According to Robi they met TNT, were discussing tech trades and were unexpectedly attacked.

2) They treated MIA much the same way that TNT has treated us, arrogant, uncooperative, aloof.

3) We MUST assume they have a techno-wizzard like Tubby and would be able to discern our alliance with MIA based on tech acquisition/timing.

4) While they seem pretty friendly with us, that is probably born out of desperation and NOT because that is their normal way of approaching others (TNT backstabbed, MIA they are non-communicitive).

5) It, therefore, become necessary to obfuscate and hide our relationship with MIA as long as possible.

THEREFORE, in our dealings with them, I think that we should use their presupositions against them. Us Idiots think the world can be a nice place, the Nuts (most probably) think the world is out to get them.

So, when we are explaining certain limitations on what we are able to do, we should describe our relationship with MIA in cryptic terms that, while not untrue, are bare enough so that the Nuts can fill in the colors.

For example, when talking about certain deals with MIA we could say something like, "...when we met MIA they didn't stoop quite so low as TNT and overtly stab us in the back..."

Or when we acknowledge that our relationship with MIA puts limits on what we can do with the 'Nuts, rather than telling them it is a pretty genuine alliance and we are playing as honest brokers; rather give them the impression that certain lines would precipitate a conflict with MIA that we are not ready for. And then make statements about 'our time coming soon,' or the impending 'age of KISS.' You know, make veiled war-monger remarks that seem to await only the right time.

This might be redundant, but it was rattling in my noggin so I had to get it out.

 

[Daghdha]

@Kick
I think you are makin' some very good points.

 

[Whomp]

For example, when talking about certain deals with MIA we could say something like, "...when we met MIA they didn't stoop quite so low as TNT and overtly stab us in the back..."

Love it. Very good Noggin' man. We also can state gpt (transparent) and luxs (transparent once harbors are in place) were traded.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Delivered in the mail today

Hello happy Idiots!

All techs were received in good order, thank you. It was nice to trade
with you, and we look forward to future deals. We hope you enjoy the
enclosed gift.

zyxy,
Team Doughnut

 

[gmaharriet]

Aha!!! Methinks they are trying to foment internal strife among our people. I mean, 16 donuts for 30 people??? With 15 we could each have had a half, but how will we split the extra, huh? Very, very sneaky of them.

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

We split the last donut into 30 pieces...or just let me have it. Damn, now I have a craving for Dunkin' Donuts.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Someone already took a bite out of the one 3 rows down 3 rows across..... Who was it.... It wasn't the delivery boy