gmaharriet
Ancient Crone
Ah, so they did, Tubs. Most likely an attempt by them to throw suspicion upon you. Um, are you sure it wasn't you???? 
Diplo for D'nut
- Thread starter Tubby Rower
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Pentium
Digital Matter
Shall we send them 17+3*(sqrt 7) kisses as a return? 
Butterball
Bear
Maybe we should send that one back. No, that's too hostile. Let's ask em.Tubby Rower said:Someone already took a bite out of the one 3 rows down 3 rows across..... Who was it.... It wasn't the delivery boy
BB
My thoughts on what we should suggest donut research in exchange for republic is
1. HBR which they are currently working on.
2. Maths for catapults against their nemesis.
3. Currency for markets.
This almost works out in beakers (I think it's a 30 beaker difference). We can make up the difference in cash.
The benefit here is we could start building markets when everyone else is in anarchy. A very nice bonus.
In the meantime MIA goes mapmaking, lit and ?? to match.
Thoughts on proposing this?
1. HBR which they are currently working on.
2. Maths for catapults against their nemesis.
3. Currency for markets.
This almost works out in beakers (I think it's a 30 beaker difference). We can make up the difference in cash.
The benefit here is we could start building markets when everyone else is in anarchy. A very nice bonus.
In the meantime MIA goes mapmaking, lit and ?? to match.
Thoughts on proposing this?
Daghdha
Absent Minded
I think it's a good deal cept everyone else has greater chans on sgl's but hey, that's the way we've chosen to play the tree. I would like to include Masonry in the deal. We overpaid them then, they do it now.
We should ask MIA to sell Masonry to Nuts before they give it to us. Gives the impression MIA/KISS is not best buddies and, as it is included in the bigger deal, we don't have to say No to Nuts offering it. Including Masonry in a proposed deal also tells Nuts we don't know MIA is soon ready with it. So my suggestion is:
1. HBR which they are currently working on.
2. Masonry which is just a cover up. They buy from MIA.
2. Maths for catapults against their nemesis.
3. Currency for markets.
They deliver each tech upon discovery NOT in a lump when Rep. is ready.
Also important we learn from previous deal. We should have no hurry in closing this. We can make them a rather tough deal then sit back and wait. We're growing, they're struggling
We should ask MIA to sell Masonry to Nuts before they give it to us. Gives the impression MIA/KISS is not best buddies and, as it is included in the bigger deal, we don't have to say No to Nuts offering it. Including Masonry in a proposed deal also tells Nuts we don't know MIA is soon ready with it. So my suggestion is:
1. HBR which they are currently working on.
2. Masonry which is just a cover up. They buy from MIA.
2. Maths for catapults against their nemesis.
3. Currency for markets.
They deliver each tech upon discovery NOT in a lump when Rep. is ready.
Also important we learn from previous deal. We should have no hurry in closing this. We can make them a rather tough deal then sit back and wait. We're growing, they're struggling
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
Ah HA!!! The culprit was found out. The teeth markings on the pastry were nearly analyzed when the vic confessed.
Cross your fingers. If Robi W is any indication we may have them hook, line and sinker. We need to get MIA on board to either trade them masonry or trade it to us so we can start Donut on maths. One thing I'm curious about is how they got HBR so fast when they said they just researched wheel. 
We may want to check TNT to see if they have it. I think we should at least ask what TNT is willing to sell masonry for. Just to feign interest.
We may want to check TNT to see if they have it. I think we should at least ask what TNT is willing to sell masonry for. Just to feign interest.Spoiler :
Daghdha
Absent Minded
It's time to build an embassy in Springfield.
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
No one has HBR as of the end of our turn 49. and TNT doesn't have the Wheel. TNT has the same techs as before, and Greece has Masonry.
They will have to self-research it. @ 150 total beakers, for 6 turns of research (assuming they had already played turn 50 when Robi said that they had 4 turns) that means that they would have to average 25 beakers per turn. Right now @ 100% science we can squeak out 26. So it is feasible that they could do it. especially with a lux or two hooked up and MPs in their bigger towns. I suspect it'll be closer to 5 (21.4 bpt) or 6 (18.75 bpt) turns from now.
They will have to self-research it. @ 150 total beakers, for 6 turns of research (assuming they had already played turn 50 when Robi said that they had 4 turns) that means that they would have to average 25 beakers per turn. Right now @ 100% science we can squeak out 26. So it is feasible that they could do it. especially with a lux or two hooked up and MPs in their bigger towns. I suspect it'll be closer to 5 (21.4 bpt) or 6 (18.75 bpt) turns from now.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
how do you know no one has hbr? in the pbem diplomacy screen, you cannot see what tech's your opponents has. You can only see what techs you have that they don't have.
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
CA2 will tell you who has what.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
that's legal here? just fyi, most pbem players won't like that so don't try it at cdz
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
Good thing that I haven't used it in my grs PBEM... Thanks for the warning.
The only mention of it in the ruleset is here (I made the part bold that contains it)
EDIT:: I can see the arguement about I've been "using outside game elements to break the spirit of the game". But this has been available to everyone since the beginning. My interpretation of this rule is to not ALTER the save. Not to not extract information out. I guess if I 'm guilty of violating this rule then I'll be expelled.
The only mention of it in the ruleset is here (I made the part bold that contains it)
I can stop using the Technology screen from now on if this is considered by all ot be cheating. I don't but I also don't want to give the perception of cheating. My reasoning behind its valid use is that against the AI, you can see what's available to be traded and against a human it's not. I don't know why the designers made it this way but I think that it should be the same no matter who you are dealing with.
EDIT:: I can see the arguement about I've been "using outside game elements to break the spirit of the game". But this has been available to everyone since the beginning. My interpretation of this rule is to not ALTER the save. Not to not extract information out. I guess if I 'm guilty of violating this rule then I'll be expelled.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
well, are you using the latest version? if so, we should be fine (ie, spoiler info removed). anyways, i am confused as I read a ruling stating that the lastest version is ok, and i'm new and don't want to stir trouble.
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
No don't worry about stirring up trouble. We should prolly send this to the admins for clarification. (which I'll do as soon as I finish writing this)
I am using the latest version of CA2. The Trade Options screen doesn't have anything in there. It's the technology screen that has who has what.
I'll stop using that screen until a ruling has been made.
I am using the latest version of CA2. The Trade Options screen doesn't have anything in there. It's the technology screen that has who has what.
I'll stop using that screen until a ruling has been made.
Hmm...Tubby you're not going anywhere. If we think it's not a fair program to use for us then it should not be for everyone else. Daveshack had a heart attack and threatened to quit if he couldn't use CA II.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
well, there's a simple solution. we know the cost of HBR on a small map, on emperor, with 4 players is 125g. if 1 team has it, the cost drops to 107g, 2 teams its down to 89g, 3 teams its down to 71g (all according to TechCalc 2.01). If someone can look at the save, check how many beakers hbr now costs (could be difficult since we are doing min research ). Maybe CA2 doesn't show any techs for any other civs, and we'd be ok? I don't know as I don't use CA2.
). Maybe CA2 doesn't show any techs for any other civs, and we'd be ok? I don't know as I don't use CA2.
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
I submitted the PM to Regent & Ginger. I posted a copy in the Dept. of General Musings. If it's not clear cut then I suspect that it'll be a discussion thread in the Main Forum
OK we need to let MIA in on the discussions of the evening. I also think we should email TNT, just for giggles, to see what they would offer for masonry. Let's find out when MIA will finish masonry (or are they done?).
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
Tubby Rower said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not another rule discussion in the main forum!
SANTION-ary! SANTION-ary!
