Diplo for D'nut

Masonry is finished in MIA-land (found out from fe not CA2)
 
OK. I sent them a pm (keep them in the loop) to let them know we talked to Robi at Donut. Either they can attempt to trade it for cash to Donut or we can since Donut thinks we may be getting it from TNT.
 
I don't see the fuss: Tubby used the latest version of CA2 (so am I actually), so it's all fine right?
 
Whomp said:
OK. I sent them a pm (keep them in the loop) to let them know we talked to Robi at Donut. Either they can attempt to trade it for cash to Donut or we can since Donut thinks we may be getting it from TNT.
I believe MIA rather not go to Nuts for trading. They feel pi55ed of and are waiting for Nuts to come to them. This is the impression I got from fe3333au.
 
Daghdha said:
I agree, and if others keep letting hurt feelings hamper their trading then al we have to do is play a decent game and they will see to it that we win :lol:
This is one of the reasons I think we should try one more time with TNT to see if they're interested in trading Masonry. Just so we can see if A. they'll respond and B. we can tell them their price is too high. :evil: mhuha:lol: !!eleven!!
 
I have searched the threads for what we have agreed on vs. Nut. The only thing I see is the initial "philo+CoL for WC,CB, Myst+?". Have we ATM no other agreements with them? We discussed Rep. for HBR, Math and Currency but it is nowhere to be found so I take it it was just talk and not the real deal.
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That's right Daghie. They were trying to get both our research on republic and MIA's research for HBR, maths and currency. So we've decided to let them get MIA's research and leave them in the cold on republic.
 
A conversation with Rob. They are resigned to the fact they can not win this game.
Spoiler :
Rob says:
How are you whomp
Whomp says:
hey Rob
A discussion about masonry
Rob says:
so hows KISS going
Whomp says:
It's been mighty quiet all the way around
Whomp says:
and now we aren't able to get anything rolling on masonry
Rob says:
everyones playing civ4
TNT talk
Whomp says:
TNT won't talk
Whomp says:
You must be taking the piss out of them
Rob says:
they talk to us, rubbish mostly

Rob says:
there last peace offer was unique to say the least
Whomp says:
asking for all your techs?
Rob says:
yes, and gold, every 20 turns
Rob says:
in other words we become TNT no.2
Whomp says:
their bee(edited) so to speak
Rob says:
we are about to have our first battle soon
Rob says:
4 immo's are coming our way
Whomp says:
MW's ready?
Rob says:
no, we have been saving up for upgrades, but we will have HBR next turn. We have 6 cariots ready for upgrade then, hehe
Rob says:
plus warriors for swords
Whomp says:
that's good.
Whomp says:
give em hell
Whoa? Really....hmm
Rob says:
we will, we got lucky and popped masonry last turn
Whomp says:
Who's managing the battlefront? xyzy?
No MIA he says
Rob says:
so we dont have to deal with MIA anymore
Whomp says:
they won't deal to us.
Whomp says:
We're wondering if it's cuz of their pyramid thing
Rob says:
maybe, we were in the process of negotiations, but their deal was way to lopsided in their favour
Back to war talk :evil:
Rob says:
zyxy is in charge of the battlefront
Whomp says:
i've watched him in the SG forum. Zyxy that's it. duh too confusing
Lit?
Rob says:
just wandering, how quickly can you guys get Lit
Rob says:
brb in 5
Whomp says:
ok
Rob says:
sorry had a phone call
Whomp says:
no probs
Rob says:
can you guys do Lit
Lit? We've got no steenkin' lit my friend...
Whomp says:
Well it's a slow run on republic
Whomp says:
we are pretty far off still
Rob says:
ok, its just we were thinking if you guy could we could really screw up TNT's plans
Whomp says:
you think they're headed to the Glib or something?
Whomp says:
they don't have writing yet
Interesting commentary....resignation or head fake?
Rob says:
its the only logical thing, because they haven't researched anything in a long time
Whomp says:
cash upgrades i presume
Whomp says:
and their capital has hardly grown for a long time
Whomp says:
i saw them mining a hill
Whomp says:
what's up with that?
Rob says:
true but we met them on turn 39 i think and they haven't done a thing
Rob says:
since
Whomp says:
Provo's been quiet in the public threads
Whomp says:
what's up with that
Rob says:
if there not going for GL with a pre-build then i don't know what there doing, because they wont win being that far behind in techs
Rob says:
unless they have some deal with MIA
Rob says:
but that doesn't make sense either
Whomp says:
still they are way behind
Whomp says:
i'm surprised tim bentley isn't playing their saves too...he's a good player
Rob says:
the only thing we can think of, is they are prebuilding GL in some small city behing the frontlines, and waiting until its nearly ready then research writing and Lit quickly
Whomp says:
could be coastal
Whomp says:
they were mining a hill
Rob says:
hmmm, but thats useless under despot and they dont have the techs to switch to mon or rep anytime soon
Whomp says:
Despotic GA
Whomp says:
it would bring it to 3 methinks
Rob says:
well thats the only way, but they dont have it yet
Rob says:
maybe thats what the immo's are for
Whomp says:
yep
Rob says:
we will try not to give it to them by using MW's
Rob says:
hit and run attacks
Whomp says:
don't let them get terrain
Whomp says:
duh
Rob says:
where they are coming from its only plains
Rob says:
and MW's should withdraw if losing
Whomp says:
Is Killercane helping Zyxy?
Rob says:
we are all giving input for startegy on that front
Whomp says:
'Cane got game too
Rob says:
he does
Rob says:
everyone has been more quite lately, civ4 i guess
Whomp says:
Whomp the Glorious according to Livy regarding the most advanced civs. had to brag about my cIV game. :mischief:
Doin' a little tap dancin'....:eek:
Rob says:
the other thing we cant work out is how MIA got philo and CoL
Whomp says:
they told us they got philo from a hut?
Whomp says:
They have CoL?
Whomp says:
Then we'll never get a deal done with them. I was not aware of that
Rob says:
we noticed they got it only a couple of turns after philo
Rob says:
maybe they researched it
Whomp says:
Wow. I thought we were up CoL on them. No wonder we can't get a masonry deal with them.
Whomp says:
That's why I hate barbs in this game. Too random IMO.
Rob says:
at first we thought you must have done a deal with them
Whomp says:
we couldn't trade pottery with them
Whomp says:
the conversation was comical
Rob says:
i can imagine
Rob says:
i've had plenty of those with them
Quick...change the subject
Whomp says:
it seems like teams have elections every 20 or so right? Maybe it will change...
Whomp says:
except us...I'm POTKISS forever (hehe well....:mischief:)
Rob says:
well we have a turnplayer one soon, then after that for interal and foreign consuls
Whomp says:
Cane?
Rob says:
no ones nominated when i checked yesterday
Whomp says:
that's my nomination as POTKISS of course
Rob says:
hopefully someone will
Rob says:
if they can get away from civ4
Whomp says:
anyone can nominate someone?
Rob says:
they still have to except
Whomp says:
You have a mighty fine roster there.
Rob says:
hopefully it will help us destroy TNT
Wow...strong comment
Rob says:
but i don't think we will win overall
Whomp says:
Why do you think that?
Rob says:
war this early in the game is a disadvantage, MIA and you have a big advantage. Thats why we were shocked by TNT declaring war on us
Whomp says:
it made no sense to us
Whomp says:
they obviously wanted to conquer the continent which also makes no sense
Whomp says:
too hard to cover ground that way
Whomp says:
And I assume no one can talk sense into their heads
Rob says:
thats right, this early in the game it makes no sense, its just a waste of resources, but thats who we got stuck with
Rob says:
you or MIA will win because i doubt this war will end quickly
Whomp says:
I don't understand the upper management at TNT
Whomp says:
They're really impossible.
Rob says:
i know, and they must know they can't win this way either
Rob says:
unless they think we will be a cakewalk
Rob says:
not that i understand that logic either
Whomp says:
Some played in the ISDG right?
Whomp says:
Who'd attack MW's?
Whomp says:
The best AA unit on the planet
Rob says:
i don't know, overconfidence in the immo's
Rob says:
the 4 is a pretty number in attack and if we were next to each other it would make sense, but they have to come across the entire continent
Whomp says:
no speed.
Whomp says:
give me 3-1 with speed anyday
Rob says:
thats what our tactics are based on
Whomp says:
two tiles away from them
Rob says:
hit and run, wear them down then finish them off
Whomp says:
then let them step up
Rob says:
exactly
Whomp says:
they're screwed
Rob says:
and if the MW's dont finish them off the swords in the city will
Whomp says:
Oh well. They're playing a different game than I know.
Rob says:
if they look at the military advisor atm we are weak compared to them, in 2 turn once the upgrades take place they are in for a shock
Whomp says:
I'm sure
Whomp says:
Let us know if you need a loan or something.
Rob says:
we should be fine, once we saw the immos, 4 turns ago we started collecting gold
End of conversation
Rob says:
anyway i better get back to my studies, its been good talking to you, we will catch up soon
Rob says:
oh btw how many turns until you hit rep
Whomp says:
ok see ya rob. think about a republic deal for the future
Whomp says:
long time.
Whomp says:
i'd guess 35+
Oh no, no shoo shoo
Rob says:
we can still trade mason,math,curr with you
Whomp says:
i just looked yesterday and i forgot
Rob says:
we will talk soon
Whomp says:
study hard!
Whomp says:
talk to you later
Rob says:
cya
 
I'm glad you're on top of this Whomp. Your prodigous time on MSM, one of the reasons why you are and always will be POTKISS.

So do we want a peice of this action? Should we be working on the ability to launch some early raids on TNT?

Not that this is a foregone conclusion, but if the Nuts start getting spanked, or even if TNT is loosing it and we want to take possession of our cities they are kindly caretaking.

A SOD is not in the offering any time soon, but four spearmen and six to eight GS might make a nice raiding party for Igor to transport and our Joint Cheifs to play with.

Just a thought...
 
Funny thing is I was playing cIV at the same time. Somehow I have the "talking and typing" multi-tasking gene (uncommon for most men btw).

I cut out a few parts like building the Statue of Liberty and getting a great engineer named....German....uh...(age gene)...well anyhow Robi told me the guy developed the calculator. :D

The thing about an early SOD is TNT may not have boats even after we become a republic. According to Donuts, TNT has virtually turned off research. They've gone nowhere on research since turn 39 when they started this mess. You'd think TNT would be smart about talking to us since it won't take us 20 turns to reach their capital with the Admiral's boats. :evil:
 
Based on Whomps talk with Rob:

A raid on TNT's back door is definately something we should discuss. It does leave us open to a MIA frontdoor though. Also, in the long run it would only really help Nuts'. Say we knock out a few core TNT cities and cripple him; that leaves Nuts' the whole continent. If we get any cities over there they would be basically useless. I think even a FP in Perseopolis would not work very well.
Now if we could grow big enough to be able to support a 2-pronged TNT - MIA assault with 75% MIA and 25% TNT to get his core I would definately like that. We would have to be able to prolong the early MA to best take advantage of our GS but turning off research to cripple both would be a huge advantage. Then with our growth we could continue with mopping MIA and let Nuts' get back on his feet. By then we should be able to field enough firepower to knock Nuts' out.
 
curiouser and curiouser!

Immos are so much horsemeat against well handled Mounties. So the only thing they can hope for is a GA, a quick peace settlement, then full steam ahead to the GLib. Maybe we offer TNT a bolthole when the time comes, because I think it will and sooner than they (TNT) think?

Why do I get the feeling this game won't make it out of the Middle Ages?
 
Another conversation while SGing at the same time. Now that's talent. :smug: All war talk and it seems both TNT and Donut are going for the Glib. This could make things very interesting. Not much else to report on this conversation but war talk is always fun. :evil:
Spoiler :


Rob says:
hello mr. potkiss
Whomp says:
Hello Mr. President
Rob says:
well i guess i kind of am, since i hold 2 of the 3 presidency posts
Whomp says:
Turnplayer too!
Rob says:
ahh the power
Whomp says:
big job right now!
Whomp says:
And here I am pushing for Killercane and you da man!
Quick discussion of TNT's trade offer
Rob says:
yes, but fun too
Whomp says:
BTW TNT is :smoke: on their deal so...
Rob says:
should be good to go toe to toe with donsig
Whomp says:
yes sir
Rob says:
we have a bit of history
Rob says:
ahh they dont seem to be talking to anyone atm
Whomp says:
really? another pbem?
Whomp says:
They asked for writing and gold
Rob says:
no in this one, first we were both ambassador then FA's and now turnplayers
Rob says:
what do you get in return
Whomp says:
masonry
Rob says:
a canoe without a paddle maybe?
Rob says:
ha, they are funny
Rob says:
how much gold 30, 40?
Rob says:
not that they should get any
Whomp says:
for writing i don't think so
Whomp says:
they are ancient techwise
GLIB discussion
Rob says:
they should be giving gold to you, its not secret they are going for GL
Rob says:
unless by some chance their not, then they are just stupid
Whomp says:
they're in a rush all the sudden too....can you say despotic GA?
Rob says:
ha, they can see our spotters, they are 6 turns away from our nearest city
Rob says:
the fun should commence so, we have prepared a welcoming committee
Whomp says:
if only you could make peace
Rob says:
lol, not in this lifetime, its us or them now, they have made that perfectly clear, personally i would perfer its them. we know we can't win the game but we will be happy with beating TNT
Whomp says:
create some refugees?
Whomp says:
hehe
Rob says:
that would be good, either way we have a few surprises waiting for them
Rob says:
sent a couple too
Whomp says:
we saw one of your warriors going up the west coast
Whomp says:
we didn't say anything I promise
Rob says:
he's just forward recon, the real package was dispatched last turn, hehe
Whomp says:
got the upgrades!
Rob says:
yep, all ready to go and kick ass. I do hope TNT took those swimming lessons

Gram H joins in
Whomp says:
can i invite grandma harriet in?
Rob says:
sure thing

Harriet has been added to the conversation.

Whomp says:
Hi Gram
Whomp says:
Talking to Rob from Donut here
Harriet says:
Hey there Whomp!
Harriet says:
I've never met him.
Harriet says:
How's it going?
Rob says:
not too bad gram, how are you
Whomp says:
Say hi to their guy who gonna lay a can of whomparse on them
Harriet says:
Oh, I see. He's here too. Hi Rob!!!
Rob says:
we can only hope
Harriet says:
brb
Whomp says:
Immortals don't stand a chance once they're injured
Rob says:
you'll know how its going in the turn tracker
Whomp says:
do you report in the turntracker or to them only?
Rob says:
i plan to have some fun with donsig
Rob says:
i think its only to them, but there's no law against gloating
Harriet says:
back
Whomp says:
nice game gram
Whomp says:
that was awesome
Harriet says:
thank you *blush*
Whomp says:
now scoutsout?
Harriet says:
Rob, are you with Dnuts?
Rob says:
yes
Harriet says:
One of the good guys then.
Whomp says:
he's their turnplayer coming up to the war
Harriet says:
Go get 'em!!
Rob says:
lol, yes we are fighting the forces of evil
Harriet says:
agree with that
Harriet says:
Yes, Whomp, I'm excited about having scoutsout playing in our next SG
Harriet says:
He'll make a warmonger out of me yet.
Whomp says:
that's quite an honor
Harriet says:
I agree
Rob says:
the funs about to start with tnt, so watch this space
Harriet says:
How many turns until it starts, Rob?
Battle reports in the turntracker?
Whomp says:
rob do you have to post in the turntracker the results>
Whomp says:
?
Rob says:
about 4, give or take

Harriet says:
I'd love to be a fly on the wall to watch it.
Rob says:
im not sure whomp, i'll have to check. i know we have to send it to them. Either way it wont stop some gloating in the turn tracker
Harriet says:
TNT hasn't exactly endeared themselves to anybody.
Whomp says:
yeah i don't think we get that info

We discuss MIA. I pretend I don't really know Fe

Rob says:
no, i was talking to MIA new FA last night and they haven't been impressed either
Whomp says:
Who is the MIA guy? (hehe :mischief: )
Rob says:
fe3333au, another aussie
Whomp says:
he seems cool
Harriet says:
Are you an Aussie too, Rob?
Rob says:
yes i am

Gram bring the conversation back to war as I SG...good teammates and all!
Harriet says:
So, do you feel prepared for your war with TNT, Rob?
Harriet says:
It's awfully early to start one
Rob says:
yep, we got all upgrades up and running
Harriet says:
Wonderful!!!
Rob says:
it is, but thats what tnt wanted
Harriet says:
We'll be in your corner cheering for you
Rob says:
we though it was pretty stupid to start a war this soon
Harriet says:
agree with that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rob says:
i mean it basic killed our chance of winnig the game, as well as theirs, but we will be happy just to beat them
Rob says:
3rd isn't so bad
Harriet says:
Yes, it will be harder for both of you to recover
Whomp says:
it's always a risk with humans profound commentary, huh? :crazyeye:
Rob says:
given the logistics involved it will take a long time to win, which means a lot of resources going into units instead of cities
Harriet says:
I've never played against a human before. I guess you can't count on peace after 10 turns or so.
Whomp says:
they think different that the AI
Rob says:
thats true, but given the circumstances anyone could see that a war this early would be a disadvantage, even a fairly short one
Whomp says:
so true
Harriet says:
Their team is just very strange, IMO
Whomp says:
Provo has been missing though
Harriet says:
Maybe they fed him to the barbs. that's funny Gram :lol:
Rob says:
i think provo to blame for the start and now it seem they are trying to go through with that decision
Harriet says:
At least they've muzzled him...thank goodness.
Whomp says:
brb
Rob says:
they haven't discover a tech since turn 35, so you can image were their resources are going
Harriet says:
All into immortals?
Glib discussion and Fe has informed me that Donut is doing the same.
Rob says:
yep and a GL prebuild we think
Harriet says:
I just watch and try to learn something.
Rob says:
it good experience, i've learnt a few thing myself. In the end it only helps you become a better player
Harriet says:
It's sure a good way to hear different people's opinions on strategy
Whomp says:
Big picture!
Rob says:
yes, it always good to see other peoples ideas
Harriet says:
Even in a succession game there's not enough time to ask a lot of questions.
Harriet says:
This moves so slowly, you can ask all you want.
Rob says:
thats right, it gives you a chance to observe all the mechanics and get to hear everyones ideas
Whomp says:
you guys have some talent too
Rob says:
yes, but they are all playing civ4 atm
Harriet says:
Sadly, I think that's true for us as well
Rob says:
not that it matters too much we already had a strategy worked out for the war
Harriet says:
It's sure been a lot more quiet lately
Rob says:
i think thats true for all teams. I'm sure once the inital novelty wears off a bit, the players will return
Harriet says:
I hope so.
Whomp says:
i'm sg'ing now on another pc :D hehe
Harriet says:
Multi-tasking again, Whomp???
Whomp says:
and football too
Whomp says:
and holly asking me to grab the dogs
Harriet says:
Wow! You've got your hands full.
Rob says:
well my lunch break nearly over, so i'm going to have to go. It been gret talking to both of you
Harriet says:
Tell Holly hello
Harriet says:
Nice to meet you Rob!
Whomp says:
Bye Rob
Whomp says:
keep us up to date
Harriet says:
bye Rob
Harriet says:
good luck
Rob says:
talk to you soon
Rob says:
thanks
Harriet says:
give 'em hell
Rob says:
we will
 
:salute: to scout

I have an idea. what if we let TNT complete the Glib and then take it away with the GS SoD we just happen to have parked on the other continent. Or has Igor been into the hops too much (again?)
 
:evil: No that's exactly what we want! Let them get it slowly and after we're in a government. I think we could potentially make a deal for masonry and their future research on lit (then mia can go somewhere else after Map making) for writing and philo. Just a thought....not 100% on this though.
 
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