Diplo for D'nut

[Daghdha]

If we wait with snatching the GLib after they've completed it, they will still get all the techs up til that moment. We have no use of it ourselves, so why not scout where it's pre-built and then raze that city. It will leave them in the stone age forever. On the other hand it would make for a nice comic effect to let them complete it, then capture it and then raze it in front of them.

 

[barbslinger]

If we wait with snatching the GLib after they've completed it, they will still get all the techs up til that moment. We have no use of it ourselves, so why not scout where it's pre-built and then raze that city. It will leave them in the stone age forever. On the other hand it would make for a nice comic effect to let them complete it, then capture it and then raze it in front of them.

As long as we raze it the turn it is built. That timing is precarious. I would rather raze it when the opportunity is there. That day is a ways off though.

 

[gmaharriet]

@Whomp Have you talked with Robi recently? I've noticed the comments in the main Turntracker thread about how much fun Dnuts are having and Donzig sounds mucho unhappy. I opened the most recent save file and couldn't see a thing, though I know war was imminent.

 

[Daghdha]

As long as we raze it the turn it is built. That timing is precarious. I would rather raze it when the opportunity is there. That day is a ways off though.

I take that as if you garee with me that razing the build city in good time before the GLib is completed is the way to go? Anyway, by the look of the goings Nuts is the possible builders of the bookstore. Maybe we should have Bede just walk in there and sell all the stuff to barbs?

 

[Whomp]

Gram I think we will notice on the F11 this turn. I think they are battling finally.

From what Doughnut has said they are perfectly content to lose the game as long as TNT does not exist so I think we are just starting.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I talked to Robi last night... below is the edited conversation but basically...

• D'nut killed 3 immortals that were atop a hill with presumably mounted warriors.
• D'nut is expecting to pump MW's out during their GA.
• TNT is NOT in a GA because they haven't attacked with an immortal.
• D'nut is apparently still clueless about our involvement with MIA

Spoiler :

Tubby Rower says:
I heard of your victories
Tubby Rower says:
Donsig didn't sound to pleased with the last two turns
Rob says:
no, we whipped their backside on t64
Tubby Rower says:
3-0 I heard... is that right?
Rob says:
yeah we took out 3 of there immos who had come down for some coffee
Tubby Rower says:
I was telling Whomp earlier that immortals are just spearmen when you attack them
Tubby Rower says:
easy peasy japanesey
Rob says:
i think what got donsig dejected was that they were on a hill
Tubby Rower says:
how close to their cities are you?
Tubby Rower says:
hahaha
Rob says:
not very, we were focused on defence but we have some warriors lurking around
Tubby Rower says:
If we could provide you with a view of their capital, what would that be worth to you guys?
Rob says:
should have a squad of MW ready in a couple of turns to go and say hi
Rob says:
um, are we allowed to do that before map making
Tubby Rower says:
talked to GA & RM and they said yes as long as you have the technology to do the same thing (ie Writing)
Rob says:
ahh, interesting didn't know that
Rob says:
well i don't know, i would have to talk to the team about it
Tubby Rower says:
OK get back to us.
Rob says:
we will
Tubby Rower says:
The screenie was from our embassy build in turn 63 I believe
Rob says:
yes we noticed you guys went on a spending spree
Tubby Rower says:
their strategy on managing their empire is interesting to say the least
Tubby Rower says:
we wanted to check up and see if anyone needed anything
Rob says:
their strategy for the whole game has been odd, we even started thinking they might not be going for a GL
Tubby Rower says:
GL = great leader or great library?
Rob says:
library
Tubby Rower says:
TNT would be the worst team to get the library
Tubby Rower says:
I hope that no one would be foolish enough to build it
Rob says:
we were looking at getting it ourselves to stop them but the team decided to pump out more MW to send to convince them it not a good idea
Tubby Rower says:
400 shields is a lot to invest in something that could bring a flurry of units on your shores from all 3 teams
Tubby Rower says:
an early GL build could have been very powerful and a threat to all teams
Rob says:
it could, need map making first though
Tubby Rower says:
HAve you dealt with the MIA crowd yet?
Rob says:
well we have tried to work out the strategy and so far we have discounted all the logical possibilities we could think of
Tubby Rower says:
I've tried talking to them.....
Rob says:
had a talk with them, nothing solid though
Rob says:
they wanted HBR for masonry, but we popped masonry so we haven't come to any agreements about other deals as of yet
Tubby Rower says:
Has anyone told you of the TNT worker that we saw mining a hill?
Tubby Rower says:
We still lack Masonry
Rob says:
yes, and our boat saw the mine when we went past
Tubby Rower says:
funny studd
Tubby Rower says:
*stuff
Rob says:
maybe they were expecting a GA
Tubby Rower says:
they haven't beaten one of your units with a Immortal yet?
Rob says:
you guy don't even need masonry
Rob says:
no
Tubby Rower says:
we will eventually
Tubby Rower says:
that's funny that they are wasting worker turns
Rob says:
we noticed mia don't even have iron hooked up
Rob says:
i seriously doubt they will hoplite rush you guys
Tubby Rower says:
haha
Tubby Rower says:
they don't need iron
Rob says:
yeah it is a waste, but then maybe they expected to steamroll us with immos
Tubby Rower says:
their score is dippping a bit
Rob says:
tnt score?
Tubby Rower says:
yes
Tubby Rower says:
sorry
Tubby Rower says:
jsut in acceleration thogh not in actual values
Rob says:
yeah, their not on the pace, we are slowly catching them
Rob says:
as is mia
Tubby Rower says:
I was worried when they overtook you guys back ~turn 30
Rob says:
they must have had a few settlers when they attack us
Tubby Rower says:
that's sad that they screwed with you guys early on
Tubby Rower says:
at least it hasn't hurt you too bad
Rob says:
yes, its taken both of us out of the game really
Rob says:
to win it i mean
Tubby Rower says:
Nah, you guys are still ok
Tubby Rower says:
I guess it relly depends on how long they want it to last
Tubby Rower says:
or if you guys go for the jugular
Rob says:
no we can't we, the war going to take to much production out of other things and it isn't going to be quick either, the shortest distance from border to border is still 18 tiles
Tubby Rower says:
they MIGHT beg for peace after the immortal slaughter
Tubby Rower says:
3-0 on a hill.... that's hilarious
Rob says:
they haven't yet, its like their sticking to their guns for better or worse
Tubby Rower says:
I guess they are ready for civ4
Rob says:
the best part is we lost 4HP's to their 10
Tubby Rower says:
so what's coming out of your GA victory party?
Rob says:
lots of MW's, we are looking to go on the attack now
Rob says:
some gold would be nice too
Tubby Rower says:
good luck with it. How close did you say the raiding party was?
Rob says:
well a squad of MW will be ready in 2 turns, it will take about 10 or so to reach them, so a while yet, we don't want to leave ourselves open in case a group of immo's is lurking in the fog somewhere
Rob says:
nearby
Tubby Rower says:
smart
Tubby Rower says:
the 2 movement in a well connected core could defend almost all of the cities against a stack with prolly 3 MWs
Rob says:
but we have warrior scout checking out the terrian near them
Rob says:
yes and we have some swords as back ups
Rob says:
they wont be surprising us again
Tubby Rower says:
we saw that they took a worker from you guys
Rob says:
yes, thats how they announced their intension to go to war
Tubby Rower says:
that's silly
Tubby Rower says:
they are IND
Tubby Rower says:
it's not like they needed some workers
Rob says:
what can you do, i guess they though we would be easy to beat
Rob says:
don't know why
Tubby Rower says:
your high score suggested that no military
Rob says:
i also dont understand why they haven't researched anything since we met them
Tubby Rower says:
can Whomp re-join
Tubby Rower says:
?
Rob says:
yes sure

Whomp has been added to the conversation.

Rob says:
yeah we only had some warriors, nothing special, but its not like they had a whole bunch of units either
Whomp says:
I'm back
Whomp says:
phew
Rob says:
the only reason we can think of that they attacked was because they were pissed off about the whole city renaming thing
Tubby Rower says:
who started that?

Whomp has left the conversation.

Rob says:
i think mia noticed and asked what was going on
Rob says:
and it blew up from there
Tubby Rower says:
boy did it

Whomp has been added to the conversation.

Tubby Rower says:
wanna try this again Whomp?
Whomp says:
sorry
Rob says:
it didn't have to, but provo got offended
Rob says:
it ok whomp
Whomp says:
oh boy...someone offended provo?
Rob says:
we were talking about how the war got started
Tubby Rower says:
the whole city renaming thing
Tubby Rower says:
Mia apparently started it
Tubby Rower says:
and D'nut got caught in the cross fire
Whomp says:
well that sucks
Rob says:
they noticed it in the f11 screen and asked what was happening
Rob says:
had provo stayed calm and rational the rest of the argument would not have happened
Whomp says:
now he's nowhere to be found in any of the public threads
Rob says:
i dont think his logged in for a while
Whomp says:
interesting...
Rob says:
it would seem donsig the main man over there now
Whomp says:
have you read any of his pbem stuff?
Whomp says:
in his signature
Tubby Rower says:
you still there Rob?

Rob has left the conversation.

 

[Daghdha]

ARSE Igor's Hope is about to enter Doughnutian waters on its much celebrated journey around Rik's World. We should pm Nuts about this and announce our arrival, just for good manners.

 

[Tubby Rower]

chat with Robi tonite (well tomorrow for him)


Initial hellos

Spoiler :

Rob says:
hi tubby how are you
Tubby Rower says:
hi
Tubby Rower says:
what's up?
Rob says:
work, work and more work, we are very busy in the run up to christmas
Tubby Rower says:
what business are you in?
Rob says:
electronics
Rob says:
we make circuit boards
Tubby Rower says:
ah
Tubby Rower says:
they're used everywhere
Rob says:
every wants the orders in before the holidays
Tubby Rower says:
of course
Tubby Rower says:
overtime?
Rob says:
lots
Rob says:
we've also had some problems with the machines, which figures
Rob says:
they only start playing up when theres lots to do
Tubby Rower says:
things always break when you need them to keep running
Rob says:
yes, murphy's law
Tubby Rower says:
you're in Aus. correct?
Rob says:
yes
Tubby Rower says:
so it's Friday for you
Tubby Rower says:
I still have to go to work tomorrow
Rob says:
yes !! cant wait for the weekend
Rob says:
although i might have to work sat morning
Tubby Rower says:
that's not cool
Rob says:
yeah i need some time off, hopefully we can finsh everything today
Tubby Rower says:
I always work better under pressure
Rob says:
me too, but it up to the machines now, if they don't play up anymore we should be able to finish all the jobs that are due
Tubby Rower says:
that's good

Now here is starts - I'm still "playing" like we don't like MIA, he asks if TNT has talked since their spanking

Spoiler :

Rob says:
so how are things going at kiss
Tubby Rower says:
pretty good
Tubby Rower says:
MIA are trying to make deals with us
Rob says:
and with us too
Rob says:
and tnt from what we can tell
Tubby Rower says:
trying to play everyone I guess
Tubby Rower says:
how's the mounted army?
Rob says:
have tnt been more talkative with you guys since they got their ass kicked by us
Rob says:
good, our mw's are progressing nicely
Tubby Rower says:
a little
Tubby Rower says:
They keep sending techs via F4 and hoping that we offer them something that they like
Rob says:
interesting, they seem to have learnt some lessons from our previous encounter
Tubby Rower says:
that and they can't attack us
Rob says:
by the way now that i think of it, we wont need map of their capital, our warrior found it, it was some very interesting viewing
Tubby Rower says:
ah ok
Tubby Rower says:
I had forgot about that sorry
Rob says:
its ok, must say their tactics were interesting to say the least
Tubby Rower says:
have you figured out why they moved their capital
Rob says:
also noticed your boat sailing by, come to pick up some doughnuts
Rob says:
no, makes no sense to us
Tubby Rower says:
yes. we're just mapping out your beach
Rob says:
should be interesting to see their logic once the game is finished
Tubby Rower says:
it's quite lovely
Tubby Rower says:
I hope they open the forums later
Rob says:
thanks we try
Tubby Rower says:
the first 40 turns is the most interesting I'd say
Rob says:
they should i think once the game is finished
Rob says:
yes, i'd loved to see what provo strategy was
Rob says:
we've tried to figure it out but it makes no sense to us, the only thing we can think of is that they were hoping we would just fold
Tubby Rower says:
he has been silent recently
Tubby Rower says:
I wonder if they learned to
Rob says:
yes, maybe his team gagged him
Tubby Rower says:
It has been more pleasant

More about MIA

Spoiler :

Rob says:
i just checked out the forum, why would mia request an extension before tnt has even played the turn?
Tubby Rower says:
dunno
Tubby Rower says:
I haven't heard anything from them
Tubby Rower says:
There's nothing that I know of that would need a delay.
Tubby Rower says:
HAdn't seen an invasion force of hopilites lately
Rob says:
strange, maybe donsig forgot to put their turn in but i cant see what the extension would be for
Tubby Rower says:
me either
Rob says:
hehe, hoplite invasion force, now that would be something i'd like to see
Tubby Rower says:
Nothing has been decided over here.
Rob says:
nor us
Tubby Rower says:
some on our team are wanting to trade with them, but I'm a bit leary
Rob says:
well we organised atrade with them, but that took some 12 turns of negotiations, so were not in a hurry to go there again
Tubby Rower says:
We've been researching Republic so we have nothing new to trade

and about Republic (I figured that it was ok to tell them about the initial min run to "protect" ourselves from MIA

Spoiler :

Rob says:
you guys would be getting close to finishing rep
Tubby Rower says:
~15 or 16 turns
Tubby Rower says:
we ran min for a little bit to get some cash to upgrade some warriors to protect us against MIA
Tubby Rower says:
we're at max now

MIA-D'nut war..... stay tuned

Spoiler :

Rob says:
does mia have anything to hurt you with
Tubby Rower says:
dunno
Rob says:
apart for hoplites
Tubby Rower says:
Just have seen the occasionally scouting warrior

Hut startegies and map dynamics

Spoiler :

Tubby Rower says:
apparently they've been busting huts with warriors instead of planting a city right next to it
Rob says:
interesting strategy
Tubby Rower says:
we're getting ready to pop the last hut that we know of with a city
Tubby Rower says:
you know that if you plant a city within a tile of a goodie hut that no barbs come forth?
Rob says:
we popped some with warriors but that because they were near tnt so we figured we had nothing to lose
Rob says:
yes that what we have done
Rob says:
still didn't get much from them
Tubby Rower says:
we've got maps, gold mostly, but I think that we got a couple of techs early on
Rob says:
got gold once, maps a couple of times and masonry, other then that barbs
Rob says:
but the barbs were near tnt so it didn't bother us
Tubby Rower says:
you guys have a ton of jungle in the middle?
Rob says:
yes, i guessing you guys do to
Tubby Rower says:
you ought to keep TNT around to clear it for you as a payment for peace
Tubby Rower says:
yes we do as well
Rob says:
hehe that would be good
Rob says:
it seems the islands are any inverted mirror image of each other
Tubby Rower says:
yes we noticed that early on.
Tubby Rower says:
so you guys have wines aroung your core
Rob says:
yes
Rob says:
and tnt and mia have ivory
Tubby Rower says:
do you have furs by the straight by MIA?
Rob says:
yes there are furs there
Tubby Rower says:
we have 2 as does TNT
Tubby Rower says:
we're thinking of stealing theirs
Tubby Rower says:
but we need MMing from MIA
Rob says:
hehe, go for it
Rob says:
do they have it
Tubby Rower says:
yes for a couple of turns now

More about MIA

Spoiler :

Tubby Rower says:
we won't be able to trade until we get Republic though
Tubby Rower says:
I'm concerned about their free tech going into the next age
Rob says:
really, i asked them about doing a MM deal and they said they weren't doing it atm
Tubby Rower says:
I wonder if they are planning an invastion of you guys since you're fighting TNT.
Rob says:
sorry brb
Tubby Rower says:
ok
Rob says:
sorry about that phone call, so you think there teaming up with tnt
Tubby Rower says:
didn't they just trade a couple of things with TNT?
Tubby Rower says:
dunno really I haven't talked to MIA in a while
Rob says:
i think they traded for maths, but i wonder why they would want to get involved in the war
Tubby Rower says:
well they headed for MMing so they could be...
Rob says:
that just leaves them more open to your gallics
Tubby Rower says:

Tubby Rower says:
problem is the jungle
Rob says:
once you get past the jungle is all wide open
Rob says:
especailly if you can blind side them

barbs

Spoiler :

Tubby Rower says:
with the impending new age barb uprisings are going to suck
Rob says:
yeah but withh all the territory at least they wont be coming from all direction
Tubby Rower says:
we have a couple of satelitte cities that could feel the most of the force
Rob says:
hmmm, there's still a while to go yet before we get to MA
Tubby Rower says:
yes a little while. maybe about 30 more turns depending on who trades what.
Rob says:
well i better get back to work, lunch is over. it been good talking to you, i'll catch up with you later
Tubby Rower says:
ok
Tubby Rower says:
have a good day
Rob says:
thanks, you too

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

to paraphrase Buzz Lightyear "You are a strange evil little man"

 

[Tubby Rower]

I'm not good at real diplo, but I know enough about words & their definitions to be able to be an effective misinformation & discontent spreader. I don't think I said anything inaccurate in the above conversation, just misleading

 

[Whomp]

If we can get them to go poly and something else this could work out pretty well. We should see if MIA wants on board with this. As long as they are willing to work with us at tech parity including their free tech somehow.

Spoiler :

So a seal walks into a club... says:
hey whompy
Whomp says:
hey dude
Whomp says:
another scary clown
So a seal walks into a club... says:
yeah i got a new computer and so i lost the old pic and had to find a new one
So a seal walks into a club... says:
slightly different
So a seal walks into a club... says:
so hows life in Kiss land
Whomp says:
Obviously we've had issues playing saves. lol
So a seal walks into a club... says:
did you? oh i dont pay attention to that kinda stuff
So a seal walks into a club... says:
there is a war on you know
Whomp says:
yes how's it going
Whomp says:
any news?
Whomp says:
anyone talking yet?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
same old same old, some talks of peace but they fell over, havent had any big battles lately or anything i think we might of killed someone the other day
So a seal walks into a club... says:
you know that kinda stuff casual war
So a seal walks into a club... says:
when are you guys jumping in?
Whomp says:
when we get boats
So a seal walks into a club... says:
see how far i am behind everything i thought we had them
Whomp says:
no galleys yet
So a seal walks into a club... says:
we have them searching thats how we meet you
So a seal walks into a club... says:
does anyone have them?
Whomp says:
curraghs
Whomp says:
don't think so
Whomp says:
tnt is ancient they don't know anything
Whomp says:
MIA might
Whomp says:
and you guys don't right?
Whomp says:
map making
So a seal walks into a club... says:
na, but there has been some controverys lately about MIAs Map making ability the papers were all over it i try to keep up witht the news but not really
So a seal walks into a club... says:
how do you know MIA have map making
So a seal walks into a club... says:
?
Whomp says:
I don't.
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Tubby seems to think MIA have Map making
Whomp says:
what are you researching now?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
wait a sec
So a seal walks into a club... says:
ill look
Whomp says:
hmmm...he may have noticed on civ assist
Whomp says:
they prolly do
So a seal walks into a club... says:
cant find what we are researching but we got a happy hut
So a seal walks into a club... says:
*opens up our Kiss folder*
Whomp says:
i'm writing in OT now about chicago food.
So a seal walks into a club... says:
brb
So a seal walks into a club... says:
last time you said you wanted a offer for Currency
Whomp says:
republic
Whomp says:
we don't have currency
So a seal walks into a club... says:
oh yeah
So a seal walks into a club... says:
thats what it says
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what kinda thing were you looking for
Whomp says:
techs for republic.
So a seal walks into a club... says:
like what
Whomp says:
currency
Whomp says:
construction
So a seal walks into a club... says:
stright swap
Whomp says:
lit
Whomp says:
maps
Whomp says:
poly
So a seal walks into a club... says:
litriture for republic?
Whomp says:
and?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
do you mean you need more than just Literiture? the libery tech? the tech that makes techs?
Whomp says:
republic is a long research cycle
Whomp says:
it is very valuable
So a seal walks into a club... says:
yeah about maths and Literiture (tell me when i get the word right)
Whomp says:
we'd like currency with some others
Whomp says:
if MIA has researched map making I'd think we'd want that from them
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Currency, Literiture, Maths = Republic
Whomp says:
we are working on maths
Whomp says:
trade
So a seal walks into a club... says:
just a question who do you talk to at MIA? i havent been able to get in contact with them
Whomp says:
Fe3333au
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i sent him a message but no reply and he dosent have MSN
Whomp says:
he's from Tasmania
Whomp says:
AIM
So a seal walks into a club... says:
have you got masonry?
Whomp says:
yes
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what about currency and Litriture for republic
Whomp says:
Hmm...
Whomp says:
let me look at the beakers
Whomp says:
actually i don't have them do you?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
nope
Whomp says:
k
So a seal walks into a club... says:
but i could find them
Whomp says:
our geeks have them somewhere
Whomp says:
iirc republic is 640 beakers
So a seal walks into a club... says:
whats currency and litritute like
So a seal walks into a club... says:
also beakers arnt a exact value at all times, we are in a war so republic isnt that valuable
Whomp says:
hmm i'd think anyone would want out of despot
Whomp says:
would you go poly to monarchy?
Whomp says:
we could be interested in that
Whomp says:
i know we'd be interested in that
So a seal walks into a club... says:
how can one of us have monarchy if we dont have poly
So a seal walks into a club... says:
so what did you mean?
Whomp says:
poly first
So a seal walks into a club... says:
poly in exchange for
Whomp says:
republic with....
Whomp says:
poly with something
So a seal walks into a club... says:
are so your republic for our poly? is that what your saying'
Whomp says:
poly with a tech
Whomp says:
the beakers don't match
So a seal walks into a club... says:
poly and litritutre
Whomp says:
i don't have them but i know they don't
Whomp says:
let me bring that to the team
So a seal walks into a club... says:
just to clarify the current deal we are talking is Our Poly and Lit for your Republic
Whomp says:
yes let me look to see if that's of interest
So a seal walks into a club... says:
how long does that take?
Whomp says:
we are still a ways away
Whomp says:
i think 14-16 turns
So a seal walks into a club... says:
ahh, well the time it takes the Dougnut citizens to decide anything that will make sense
Whomp says:
heh
Whomp says:
ok well let's show that to our teams and see what the thoughts are.
So a seal walks into a club... says:
ok do you have the beaker amounts for each?
Whomp says:
i don't here.
Whomp says:
wrong pc
Whomp says:
lol
So a seal walks into a club... says:
ok some one over here can figure that out, and see if your swinderling me
Whomp says:
of course i am
Whomp says:
how else would idiots think?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
other than that, what about some sort of non-agression freindship treaty between us Kiss are acutally pretty popular over here
Whomp says:
We should probably do something about that.
Whomp says:
I will work on that too
Whomp says:
you as well
Whomp says:
we can come back with our counters
Whomp says:
counteroffers that is
Whomp says:
no deal goes down without a little haggling for fun
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Because we are at war with TnT and Mia are being quite really we are both agricultural nations, based around highly mobile units, plus religous Meelet and the great doghnut are probably just different names for the same deity
Whomp says:
maybe a 1g bet on how many immortals you kill every century or so.
So a seal walks into a club... says:
lol
So a seal walks into a club... says:
not as much as you might think after our mobile units tear up their iron mines, the immortals will stop
So a seal walks into a club... says:
(just a joke in no way related to our operations)

 

[Whomp]

Round and round we go where it stops "Nobody of Donuts" knows. The best that came of this conversation is they are interested in a mutual protection deal, immortals on nearby on mountains and that their peace terms fell through.

Spoiler :

So a seal walks into a club... says:
hey whompy
Whomp says:
hey what's up there kid. how's the toothfus
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i socut where is was is it still saw, and there is something sharp in it i cant get out, it isnt a bit og tooth because the tooth came out whole

So a seal walks into a club... says:
hows Kiss?

admiral kutzov has been added to the conversation.

Whomp says:
funny you should say I was just talking to AK about that very thing
So a seal walks into a club... says:
has there been much feedback about the trade or freindship pact
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i know
So a seal walks into a club... says:
it seemed automatic
So a seal walks into a club... says:
like i said kiss and he jumped in
admiral kutzov says:
what are we discussing/
Whomp says:
friendship and trades
admiral kutzov says:
? dammit, i have trouble with ?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what do your people think
Whomp says:
I think we are all for friendship
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what would it say
admiral kutzov says:
lay it out for me in small words
Whomp says:
the trade is something we are holding out for
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what happened to Lititure and Poly for Republic
Whomp says:
i don't think we can do that
Whomp says:
AK keep talking i'll brb in 10
So a seal walks into a club... says:
do you have any other trade in mind
Whomp says:
We are looking at max return on republic
admiral kutzov says:
nobody, i'm the village idiot , so use small words
So a seal walks into a club... says:
how about Horsebackridding into the mix
So a seal walks into a club... says:
the public at home never expected the Lit &poly deal to work, i just did cause whomp made it sound likey
admiral kutzov says:
just want to make sure I'm clear. you're donuts?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
yeah and you are kiss right
admiral kutzov says:
correct, one step at a time here
So a seal walks into a club... says:
lol
admiral kutzov says:
like i said before, i'm the village idiot, but my team will honor my deals
So a seal walks into a club... says:
how about all your citys for military allaince against TnT
admiral kutzov says:
nice try. rotfl
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Whats your capital
admiral kutzov says:
we chatted the other night, but i was even drunker
So a seal walks into a club... says:
lol
So a seal walks into a club... says:
drunker
admiral kutzov says:
that's it.
Whomp says:
here's the thing
admiral kutzov says:
our capital. same as always, our first city.
admiral kutzov says:
small words
Whomp says:
you don't want republic now anyhow
So a seal walks into a club... says:
whats the name, i want to say a quote
So a seal walks into a club... says:
whys that?
admiral kutzov says:
i'm an idiot
Whomp says:
you're in a GA
Whomp says:
golden age AK
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i got the quote, so whats your capital?
admiral kutzov says:
probably. I'm dilatory in my attention to this game
Whomp says:
we also feel we can fill the tech tree with a trade
admiral kutzov says:
our capital has not moved. if you need the specific name, give me five and I'll get it for u
Whomp says:
We are behind techs since we are researching republic
Whomp says:
does that make sense?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
How long is Kiss going to pretend, that the world is not at war? From Ironlands you have been described as a nation of weaklings and playboys who hire Doughnut or Barbains, to do our fighting for us We've been trained to think we're invincible, and our people think Provolution and his TNT thugs are the Doughnuts problem We have to do more Does anyone think that victo
admiral kutzov says:
i'm something of a joke in KISS. everyone likes the village idiot, but he's too ...
So a seal walks into a club... says:
s possible without facing danger? At times like these we all need to be reminded who we truely are That we will not give up That we will not give in
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i didnt need your capital
admiral kutzov says:
nobody, don't get paranoid when I say I have to feed the barbs. My sons are hungry. 12 and 8
Whomp says:
but peace is easy. we like you guys and you have good smilies
says:
Linebacker likes lots of food
So a seal walks into a club... says:
well we got some more techs we have been talking about trading you, the people back home seem to want Republic
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Is your son a linerbacker?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
linebacker
Whomp says:
i'm wondering why? you can't use it for awhile with a GA underway
So a seal walks into a club... says:
dont you guys really want to trade it?
admiral kutzov says:
my son has a civ name. Linebacker. he's 12
admiral kutzov says:
brb, feed the barbs
So a seal walks into a club... says:
if he named his kid sid, i am going to
Whomp says:
ak's pocketbook after feeding those boys
So a seal walks into a club... says:
lol
admiral kutzov says:
damn straight
Whomp says:
so if you are researching poly would you consider monarchy next?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
eh your rich enough to have a computer so who cares
admiral kutzov says:
nobody, we've been dancing. what would u give us for rep?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
so Poly & Monarchy for republic?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i dont know if we are researching that way
Whomp says:
are you considering monarchy? it's not required btw
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i know
admiral kutzov says:
do I look that dumb. I may act that way but..
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i wish our Internal console would keep us up to date on things like science
admiral kutzov says:
time for a civil war
So a seal walks into a club... says:
lol
Whomp says:
yeah what you guys communism there?
admiral kutzov says:
that made no sense
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Nah we are a democracy, or sorts
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what are you guys
admiral kutzov says:
anarchist
Whomp says:
anarchists
So a seal walks into a club... says:
intel says your a dictatorship
So a seal walks into a club... says:
hows it work
So a seal walks into a club... says:
brb
So a seal walks into a club... says:
lunch
admiral kutzov says:
all of us have power to make deals. if one of us ****s up (pardon the french), the others still go along
admiral kutzov says:
this almost got me banned but the team was still behind me
So a seal walks into a club... says:
lol cool
So a seal walks into a club... says:
who plays the turn
admiral kutzov says:
the smart peeps
admiral kutzov says:
the one's who played Mag 7+1 in SG land
So a seal walks into a club... says:
over here we elect a foreign, a internal and a turn player
So a seal walks into a club... says:
right
admiral kutzov says:
sounds like a cluster ****
So a seal walks into a club... says:
but trades and treatys need ratifycation
So a seal walks into a club... says:
so what would you say is a acceptable trade for Republic
admiral kutzov says:
not in our world
So a seal walks into a club... says:
we have masonry as well
Whomp says:
got it
admiral kutzov says:
need to pause so my wife can yell at mee
Whomp says:
oops
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what
Whomp says:
yelling by wives is not good
So a seal walks into a club... says:
better than hitting
admiral kutzov says:
k the barbs are fed
admiral kutzov says:
where were we
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what do you guys want for republic
admiral kutzov says:
what will you give?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
we have Litriture (we got it for free ) Poly soon, and horseback ridding
admiral kutzov says:
she's yelling at me
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what about Lit, Poly and next tech
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what did you do?
admiral kutzov says:
don't ask
admiral kutzov says:
she can see
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Oh i am a fat divorcee from Texas in love with you AK
So a seal walks into a club... says:
and your wife dosent know
So a seal walks into a club... says:
hehehe
admiral kutzov says:
now you're scaring me
So a seal walks into a club... says:
lol
So a seal walks into a club... says:
whats MIA offering?
admiral kutzov says:
I need to sign off now will get back on in about an hour
So a seal walks into a club... says:
cya

admiral kutzov has left the conversation.

says:
they are developing a plan
So a seal walks into a club... says:
for what
Whomp says:
republic
So a seal walks into a club... says:
you mean a offer?
Whomp says:
we are exploring all offers and trying to fill gaps
So a seal walks into a club... says:
ahh
So a seal walks into a club... says:
you should speak to TnT they got currency
Whomp says:
they seem to have a lot to offer. how did they get so far ahead in tech?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
of course they are also backstabbing agressive bugger
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what else do they have?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i know they have writing and currency
So a seal walks into a club... says:
maybe there Great Libeary is finished?
Whomp says:
not tnt but mia is ahead
So a seal walks into a club... says:
oh we would know about that
So a seal walks into a club... says:
oh
Whomp says:
they seem to have traded a lot
So a seal walks into a club... says:
we havent heard from them in a while
Whomp says:
but you must've traded with them
Whomp says:
they can't research that fast
So a seal walks into a club... says:
oh yeah ages ago
says:
do you remember what?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
who are the meelet worshipers?
Whomp says:
everyone i thought
So a seal walks into a club... says:
ok
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i thought it was just you guys
So a seal walks into a club... says:
but now i noticed MIA mentioned it in their last letter
says:
lol
Whomp says:
that's good
Whomp says:
is tnt talking at all?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
with us? we were discussing peace terms but they fell threw,
Whomp says:
that's too bad.
So a seal walks into a club... says:
we were close to a peace deal but now it seems blood and iron will solve the dispute
So a seal walks into a club... says:
we just dont want to pay tribute to them
Whomp says:
how could they ask?
says:
i thought you guys were taking it to them
So a seal walks into a club... says:
at first they were beating us and we asked for peace, they had some outragous treaty then they invaded us with Immortals but we held them off, they offered us a fairer treaty but still demanding 2 techs, i personally was in favor but the people said no, TnT responds with another huge demand so basicly we feel we will have to settle it on the felid says:
i guess that's how you found out about currency.
So a seal walks into a club... says:
we have taken it to them, but we have stoped them a bit right now our units are surrounding their immortals who are on mountains our side our borders
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Yeah
So a seal walks into a club... says:
or maybe you guys told us? or MIA? cause robi just seemed to know
says:
i guess they're waiting for reinforcements
So a seal walks into a club... says:
yeah hoepfully, when they get off their hills we will kill them then they will sign a peace
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Although the worst thing for us (or them) would be if one of you guys got involved
says:
it could be something you could propose
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what you guys coming in?
says:
always an option for the right price
So a seal walks into a club... says:
I was thinking that maybe our freindship treaty could have a Gurantee of Neutrality in each others wars, But if we get attacked by two nations we will come to each others aid
WHomp says:
that could work
So a seal walks into a club... says:
cause MIA has the ships and habours now
Whomp says:
that's not good.
Whomp says:
will they trade map making to you?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Actually i was trying to write a treaty between us and i was using the Anglo-japanese allaince
So a seal walks into a club... says:
well they said they would but i havent heard from them since i got into office
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Do you think your people would agree to the mutal support terms, For us this really means that MIA would have to much to deal with if they declared war on us If we made it public it would hold them back
So a seal walks into a club... says:
I got a feeling you guys could beat MIA
Whomp says:
hmmm...
Whomp says:
let me table that
So a seal walks into a club... says:
then again, you could be playing us aswell
Whomp says:
we are idiots but we would honor any deal
So a seal walks into a club... says:
sorry
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i was looking for somthing
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i lost the treaty i was writing

admiral kutzov has been added to the conversation.

So a seal walks into a club... says:
wb
So a seal walks into a club... says:
has it been a hour
So a seal walks into a club... says:
you missed the whole war update
admiral kutzov says:
there's a war?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Where have you been
admiral kutzov says:
but I fed the barbs
admiral kutzov says:
feeding the barbs
So a seal walks into a club... says:
they must be pretty full
Whomp says:
any good huts for dessert?
admiral kutzov says:
pizza hut?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
lol
admiral kutzov says:
be gone for a bit while I reopen MSN
admiral kutzov says:
back, nevermind
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what is your ideal Trade for Republic, because if we can sign a Treaty as well the doughnut people may be willing to be genarous on the trade
Whomp says:
Ideal is for something beyond what is researched now.
Whomp says:
i think we will get a lot for republic
So a seal walks into a club... says:
So Poly, Lit and our Next trade
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i mean tech
Whomp says:
and we know you can't use it for awhile
So a seal walks into a club... says:
we are still researching Poly for a few turns
So a seal walks into a club... says:
would that be acceptable? Poly, Lit and next tech
admiral kutzov says:
don't forget HBR
So a seal walks into a club... says:
4 for 1?
Whomp says:
it's a government and really "the" government
So a seal walks into a club... says:
true
Whomp says:
long research cycle if you don't trade for it
Whomp says:
that's a lot of turns in a despot
So a seal walks into a club... says:
yeah
So a seal walks into a club... says:
so HBR, LIT, POLY plus a new tech
Whomp says:
we are backwards
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i will take that to the people if its acceptable to you
Whomp says:
but we'll be in a government
Whomp says:
what should we try to get from MIA then?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i dont know
So a seal walks into a club... says:
hey i got to go, people are yelling at me
So a seal walks into a club... says:
cya

So a seal walks into a club... has left the conversation.

 

[Daghdha]

Maybe we should re-read this conversation with Nobody of Nuts keeping in mind that MIA and Nuts might be friendlier than we think...

 

[Whomp]

I tried to be as vague as possible. If we decide to attack TNT then we can organize with Donut. If we attack MIA I'm not so sure we want Donut to be aware of this until it happens and how they can help us and us them.

Spoiler :

So a seal walks into a club... says:
so you gonna ivade TnT or Mia
So a seal walks into a club... says:
? first?
Whomp says:
i'm not sure if either is in our best interest
Whomp says:
we don't have boats
Whomp says:
and roads
So a seal walks into a club... says:
no roads at all
Whomp says:
we are creating roads
Whomp says:
no we are working on some but those jungles will be a pain
So a seal walks into a club... says:
yeah
Whomp says:
if we attack tnt we'll need map making
So a seal walks into a club... says:
yeah
Whomp says:
it would help you to turn the tide for sure
Interesting...
So a seal walks into a club... says:
we got a feelin MIA might be about to hit us
Whomp says:
hmmm...
Whomp says:
why because of boats?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
they pulled up a navy force beside our city
Whomp says:
galleys?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
yep
Whomp says:
wow
Whomp says:
more than one?
Back to elusiveness on Nobody Donut's behalf...
So a seal walks into a club... says:
So KISS has our back if MIA declares war eh?
Whomp says:
I think we can work on putting together a plan.
Whomp says:
thing is i don't think tnt can afford to attack us
Whomp says:
mia can attack
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Huh?
Whomp says:
TNT is preoccupied with you
So a seal walks into a club... says:
yeah
Whomp says:
MIA is not at war with us so they're likely a bigger threat to pile on top of you
So a seal walks into a club... says:
but its not like you want to attack TnT
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Yeah
So a seal walks into a club... says:
what do you think about a screenshot idea?
Whomp says:
I don't think it's illegal.
Whomp says:
which screenshots would we exchange?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
You investigate TnT citys and send us the pictures
Whomp says:
Gotcha
So a seal walks into a club... says:
of course if you went to war, then we would return the favor
Whomp says:
I see.
Whomp says:
Do you see any advantage of us joining you against TNT?
Whomp says:
or do you want the whole continent?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
Nicer people as your allies, plus we are going to win
So a seal walks into a club... says:
the war i mean
So a seal walks into a club... says:
i dont know about the game
Whomp says:
are you approaching their cities?
So a seal walks into a club... says:
no, but hopefully if we bulid up we will be able too
Whomp says:
tough without roads
Whomp says:
tougher to build roads with immortals lurking about
So a seal walks into a club... says:
yeah
So a seal walks into a club... says:
sorry i got too go, the computer for other people
Whomp says:
ok we'll talk later

 

[Own]

You investigate TnT citys and send us the pictures
Whomp says:
Gotcha
So a seal walks into a club... says:
of course if you went to war, then we would return the favor

Clever clever clever, just check the ruleset to make sure it's legal.

So you suggest we, in exchange for not dogpiling, we give the embassy shot of TNT to dnuts? Will they accept? More importantly, will they decline and tell MIA of our scheme?

 

[Daghdha]

More importantly, will they decline and tell MIA of our scheme?

This is my biggest fear ATM since I sense Nuts and MIA are not so afraid of each other as they eagerly pretend to be. I might of course be wrong about this (sorry for the second guessing Crackie )

 

[Whomp]

Had a nice conversation with Rob from Donut last night. Some interesting stuff comes out the conversation.

• He said they are researching monarchy and would be interested in trading it within 24ish turns. Nice timing!
• TNT had a major offensive that they built roads through the jungle and failed miserably it seems. 10-1
• He said that the TNT coastals are empty. Might be worth a look see.
• MIA has landed a horse and warrior on Battle Island.

Spoiler :

Rob says:
hi whomp, how have you been
Whomp says:
hey Rob where you been?
Rob says:
work, then holiday
Whomp says:
mia in a donut kind of way
Rob says:
hehe
Rob says:
yeah well i've been a bit lazy to since im not in charge of foreign affairs anymore
Whomp says:
just pounding on donsig instead
Rob says:
hehe, oh yeah
Whomp says:
stalled?
Rob says:
they lauched a major offensive
Whomp says:
whoa
Rob says:
and went nowhere
Whomp says:
were they building on the mountains?
Rob says:
no, they built a road through the jungle
Whomp says:
aha
Rob says:
not that it helped them
Whomp says:
still slow and those roads can go both ways.
Whomp says:
lol
Whomp says:
we'd like to help you guys even if it's token
Rob says:
lol yes they can, which is why i don't get why they would go to the effort of building them
Rob says:
the scoreline was 10-1 in our favour in the end
Whomp says:
is there any way we can distract them
Whomp says:
nice!!!
Whomp says:
good work
Rob says:
the retreat capability of the MW's is a big help
Whomp says:
sure is
Rob says:
well if you guy want to lauch an invasion your more than welcome to
Whomp says:
we'd need a lot of boat
Whomp says:
s
Rob says:
not really from what we can tell, the cities on the coast arn't well guarded
Whomp says:
do they have forward cities you could take if we help?
Rob says:
yes, we just need our MW's to heel up then we are planning a counter attack, one via the road and one via the west coast
Whomp says:
hmmm
Whomp says:
so if we come across from the east
Whomp says:
i get the feeling they are whipping the MoM city
Whomp says:
it's the only logical reason i can think to build it
Rob says:
actually if you came in from the west since it closer for you we could switch to the east side
Rob says:
yeah, we figured that was the only logical reason for the MoM
Whomp says:
Let me see what our military guys think
Whomp says:
they shoo shoo'd me when i suggested it
Rob says:
the other thing is MIA have been snooping around on our island as well
Whomp says:
with galleys?
Rob says:
yes, they dropped off some troops, we seen a warrior and a horseman so far
Whomp says:
hmmm
Whomp says:
that's interesting. trying to get a bird's eye view
Whomp says:
horse for speed
Rob says:
they say there exploring, but we seen there boat come a go a few times
Whomp says:
we noticed a settler is a weird spot
Whomp says:
in*
Rob says:
so how are you getting along with them
Whomp says:
we have peace and made a big trade
Rob says:
got a good deal out of it?
Whomp says:
but the team is very cautious around them
Rob says:
what are your research plans atm, we have started on monarchy
Whomp says:
we are looking at construction
Rob says:
would you guys be interested in a swap
Whomp says:
sure
Whomp says:
what would you be interested in?
Rob says:
i have no idea what there tech values are, i dont have the sheet on me but i sure they fairly similar
Whomp says:
i have them
Rob says:
ok
Rob says:
i pretty sure they are both 20-something
Whomp says:
republic at 735 after we discovered it
Whomp says:
monarchy is 720 beakers
Whomp says:
map making is 360
Whomp says:
construction is 600
Whomp says:
currency is 480
Rob says:
ok so they are fairly similar
Whomp says:
monarchy and republic are very close
Whomp says:
would you want it though?
Whomp says:
if you're going to monarchy?
Whomp says:
or do you have construction?
Rob says:
well republic would have been good but because of the war and the extra units we worked out we couldn't support it
Rob says:
we don't have constrution
Rob says:
or currency
Whomp says:
we are religious so monarchy could be valuable to us
Rob says:
ok, just throwing it out there as a suggestion as i would have to check back with the team, but how about monarchy for construction and currency and we throw in 30 gold on top
Whomp says:
let me throw that around. how soon do you think you can get it?
Rob says:
sorry i added it up wrong just a sec
Whomp says:
running to a govt. is expensive so we'd understand if we didn't get full beaker in return
Whomp says:
but i'm sure we'd ask for a little more
Whomp says:
i think we'll have construction in 12 or less.....unless we can trade for it.
Rob says:
i think i got it right this time, 80 gold
Whomp says:
how far along are you?
Rob says:
just started a few turns ago, still got 24 turns to go
Whomp says:
ok well that may work out well anyhow.
Whomp says:
i'd like to add some type of long term agreement with each other for peace.
Whomp says:
my preference is to have each of us left at the end
Rob says:
sure, we can do that
Rob says:
well, once we can finish off TNT, we should have plenty of troops left over to send accross the southern channel
Whomp says:
ok well we need to coordinate with our teams. I like the idea and maybe by throwing some Gallics at TNT would give them more to think about
Rob says:
that sounds good to me, i will talk to the team about the discussion and get something formal arranged
Whomp says:
is there anyone else if I can't get in touch with your or Nobody.....btw he's an idiot like us!
Whomp says:
you*
Rob says:
hmmm, daveshack would be the other main person, but you can always pm me, i check the forums nearly every day
Whomp says:
ok
Whomp says:
me too
Whomp says:
i will get the team motivated
Rob says:
but i should be on more often now that i'm back from holidays
Whomp says:
cool
Whomp says:
ok well let me bring this to everyone. I will get them to put something on paper and pm you the first draft
Whomp says:
try to do the same so we can compare thoughts and plans
Rob says:
ok sure thing, i will post it for my team to have their say
Whomp says:
for sure
Rob says:
but all in all it sounds good to me
Whomp says:
me too
Whomp says:
i'd like to take you guys on at the end! lol
Rob says:
lol, and we would like to be there
Whomp says:
turn just passed by donsig
Rob says:
hehe, they been chasing our warrior on their border for ages now
Whomp says:
what for? stray...
Rob says:
he was just exploring and they didn't like it so he got 2 immos on his tail, hehe, i think its a waste of 2 immos personally
Whomp says:
right...
Whomp says:
oh well good for you!
Whomp says:
run him right into MW's
Rob says:
hehe that would give them a bit of a surprise
Whomp says:
ok well i should sleep past my bedtime!
Rob says:
sure no problem
Whomp says:
Bye Rob

 

[Tubby Rower]

wery intewesting..,...

 

[barbslinger]

I wouldn't mind a scout over there to clear some fog.

 

[Daghdha]

!
Seems like a plan. Don't know if I'm that intersted in Mon tough...? If we don't trade Nuts techs we can easily stay ahead throughout the game and that will come in handy when the big showdown takes place. Mil alliance OTOH is crucial, but I think finishing off MIA without MW's on our continent would be best, especially since Nuts have "lots of units".
Also, a raxed city on TNT ground, soon, would be very much to my liking. I don't think any other team will focus on sea warfare, and in the long run we could have a huge advantage if we controlled the gap/s until Navigation. We could keep neighbours (read Nuts) in or out as we wished. I suggest we keep the initial agreement restricted to military.

Dear Dougnuts

Bla, bla, nuts...

Team KISS and Team Doughnut will not attack each other, or with military units support a third team attacking the other part. This agreement is valid until Team KISS and Team Doughnut are the only ones left in the MTDG.

All the Best
Team K.I.S.S.