Diplo for D'nut

[Whomp]

Can I get a recap of who's fighting whom?

D'nut has just declared on ?
MIA is fighting ?
KISS is clobbering ?

Donut just declared on TNT and took two jungle cities. Their forces are south of TNT on the same continent. JB the two continents MIA/KISS and TNT/Donut are reasonably symetrical so you can get an idea of what Donut attacked by viewing our jungle borders (luxs!) with MIA

KISS is also fighting TNT and we now know TNT's capital is empty(we had Donut buy an embassy in TNT for 52g to get intel). We have a 2nd SoD headed for Carpetbomb (one of 2 coastal cities TNT has and their only iron).

This means that TNT is being attacked from their south (Donut), west (our major SoD near their core) and soon enough northern coastal cities (SoD #2).

MIA is sitting back with a long term peace deal with us that we signed for 50 turns and the question now is whether they will make a play on Donut. This would make things very interesting since we have a defensive pact with Donut that was signed first so it takes precedence and requires us to join within 5 turns.

 

[jb1964]

TNT has got to be hating life.

I d/l'ed the save and am getting my bearings on the relative territories.

The only thing I didn't like was that we're making LB's (40s) in our capitol that's producing 30spt. Seems a bit of a waste. We shuold depose these warmongers for wasteing our GA!

What are the penalties for breaking an agreement? What if our boarder w/ MIA was wide open and they decided to tear us a new one, deal or no deal?

BTW, MIA is weak compared to us. Muhahahaha!

 

[Whomp]

TNT has got to be hating life.

I d/l'ed the save and am getting my bearings on the relative territories.

The only thing I didn't like was that we're making LB's (40s) in our capitol that's producing 30spt. Seems a bit of a waste. We shuold depose these warmongers for wasteing our GA!

What are the penalties for breaking an agreement? What if our boarder w/ MIA was wide open and they decided to tear us a new one, deal or no deal?

BTW, MIA is weak compared to us. Muhahahaha!

I noticed that with the save too. I'm sure Graham mm'd the city somehow. I also noticed we have an archer in one of our jungle cities that can be upgraded if necessary.

There are no penalties for breaking an agreement however, like us, I'm pretty confident that MIA will honor all agreements knowing how righteous they were when we felt they broke our AA tech agreement. So far all the teams have been honorable in their agreements. There has been some bending but no breaking.

 

[grahamiam]

re: Simpleton: That's the way it was inherited. I could build a wonder there if you like. I'm not building more pikes, edit: but I'll take a look and see what to do with it. We already have enough of those being built and unit support is near suicidal levels. In hindsight, it would have been nice to have chivalry so we could spit out a knight every 2T for 40g.

 

[Whomp]

Reply on Donut's DoW on TNT sent to Robi...woof woof

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!! Ding dong the witch is dead.

Let's try to talk soon. I think if we can fool MIA into researching the upper half of the tree we can get them to maintain peace with you and shut them out on the best part of the bottom half long term.

Just a heads up for you. MIA has a boat lurking around by our new TNT holdings. We've asked them what their plans are with the boat because we plan to settle the area they are lurking around and need to move in units to protect it. In reality, it's our SoD preparing to launch the 2nd offensive.

Whomper

 

[grahamiam]

Sorry, didn't see this posted so here's the PM from Kuningas:

Scoutsout, Grahamiam, team K.I.S.S.

Regards passed to killercane and Robi D.

The time for war has come. I established an embassy as you wished. Here is info I got from Dancing Banana.
-TNT sliders 90% to taxes, 10% to entertainment.
-Units in DB none.
-Production 15spt.
-Commerce 28gpt.
-Building Pikeman, zero shields invested.
-Buildings: the Palace, a barracks, a temple and a library.
-Resources: a horse, an iron and 6 different luxuries.

Do you wish to know more?

Best regards
President Kuningas of the independent republic of Doughnutia.

 

[jb1964]

Six luxes, 10% happy gas and a temple. The folks have got to be giggling like a schoolgirl.

They've got to be trading for those luxes. Does F4 give us an idea of the active trading partners in a MP game?

And it would appear that the forces are all at the front unless they're sitting just outside hoping for some sort of ambush. Highly unlikely.

Time to blow this popsicle stand and head home.

 

[Whomp]

A temple?...they deserve to be whacked.

I wonder if, passive aggressively of course, we could let MIA know what their research partner is researching now. This could be the opening to get MIA running the upper half of the tree.

 

[Daghdha]

They've got to be trading for those luxes. Does F4 give us an idea of the active trading partners in a MP game?

Yessir and it shows that they indeed are trading with MIA. What the trade consist of....hmmm, prolly luxes. In any case, trimming them down will hurt MIA....too

 

[Rik Meleet]

lurker's comment: Are you going to show this info to TGOM "temple rant" Bede ???

 

[scoutsout]

We already have enough (Pikes) being built and unit support is near suicidal levels.

Sorry about that...

...unless we... become a Monarchy.

I'm kidding... and... sorry about the unit support. Perhaps we can make a dent in that with a little infill settling in the jungle, and a little land grabbing on The Other Continent.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

By cutting the harbor towns in the north, we can cripple TNT.

No harbor, no luxes. If TNT is paying for them, that will also hurt MIA. D-Day 2 is working out most favorably.

 

[Kickbooti]

... sorry about the unit support. Perhaps we can make a dent in that with a little infill settling in the jungle, and a little land grabbing on The Other Continent.

We better get some settlers going for the land grab, the jungle can wait IMO.

 

[Daghdha]

...unless we... become a Monarchy.

I see that as an option since switching gov's is what we can do better than others. If we and Nutters get to share the lower part research.....and we don't want to announce our attack on MIA by switching gov a turn before that....

 

[Crakie]

Bwahahaha, that's rich! A temple!

Off topic. I just invented a new variant: Holier than Thou. Every new town has to start with a temple as soon as CB is available. Sub-variants: play a religious civ, captured towns also need to build a temple first. Dedicated to Bede of course

 

[grahamiam]

We sort of did that in an Lkendter game. We're Japanese, but we had to build cathedrals in a diety game Needless to say, that one went into the dumps

 

[Daghdha]

Fellow Idiots, being the official POTKISS I feel it's time to take the task of securing our safety (and ultimately victory) by sending the Doughnutians an offer they cannot (should not) refuse. We have come to a situation where getting the right ally is The Priority for the remaining teams KISS, MIA and Doughnuts. Team TNT is, by my standards, to be considered dead.
Word is that MIA has given Nutters a nice trade offer, but one that will violate our current treaty with Doughnutia. We should not let that deal be done IMIO. We could re-ally with MIA, but I think they're reluctant to do that considering both our dealings after the Big Swap. I also think they felt royally fooled by us when we tied their hands and denied them the opportunity to help TNT when we hit them. Therefore I see Doughnuts as the most likely partner.
This is a draft of what I would like to send to Doughnutia:

Spoiler :

Highly Esteemed Doughnutians

Now is the time to make a decision that will greatly affect both our future in the world of Meleet. We have for some time been friends and partners, and in our grumpy and idiotic way we feel this has been beneficial to us both. We are currently enjoying the pleasures of military co-operation in the extermination of Persia and we hope You have as much fun as we have in getting valuable land by saying "Boo". Without this co-operation, things wouldn't have payed out like they have.
We have heard that MIA has approached You with the intention of cutting team KISS off. This is, of course, what they are forced to do since they will be dead without a partner. At this point, any team on their own will be unable to survive unless they manage to make new friends....fast.
We also know that MIA is very concerned that our friendship will lead to a domination win for team KISS and that they have made that clear to You. We see their point and understand if You are worried also. We have taken that into consideration when writing the following proposal.

The Mano a Mano Deal

1. Teams Doughnuts and KISS will fight team TNT until the latter is extinct.
2. When the last TNT city has fallen and the last TNT unit is dead, Doughnuts and KISS will agree on the sharing of former Persian land. If no agreement can be reached, both teams will consult The Great Meleet and without objections approve to His decision on the matter.
3. From the date the Mano a Mano deal is signed by both parties, and until team MIA is extinct, none of teams Doughnuts or KISS will trade or make alliances with team MIA.
4. None of the parties are allowed to have more than 50% of total tiles for as long as this agreement is in effect.
5. This treaty is not to be seen as a replacement for the Nuts and Bolts treaty.
6. This treaty will be in effect until all Greek cities are defeated and all Greek units are dead.
7. When this treaty has expired, both parties will shake hands and then let the best team win.

 

[Kickbooti]

This is a draft of what I would like to send to Doughnutia:

Spoiler :

Highly Esteemed Doughnutians

4. None of the parties are allowed to have more than 50% of total tiles for as long as this agreement is in effect.

I don't like this. I think we are in a position to grab Greek Land like crazy when the baloon goes up. Taking up huge chunks of MIA seems important if we are to win domination.

The Nuts can take a whole slug of cities in the south while we grind our way through heavy opposition in the north. They could send settlers up from any vector plus sea if they have a mind. From my perspective Battle Isle is more available for their settling then ours - that's okay, its 'their' continent.

I expect the same consideration when we remove our nettlesome-neighbors.

I worry about the 50/50. Let them plan their settling. We will.

 

[grahamiam]

There's also nothing about tech sharing between donuts and us. I would set a tech goal (end of IA or something similar). That way, in the IA, he who nukes 1st, wins

 

[Daghdha]

about the 50/50 I don't expect D'nuts to sign anything if we don't give them some assurance. they're too weak compared to us. i don't think we will grab Greek land like anything if we have Nuts threatening our back, weaker or not. what they are after is either (a) an alliance with the one giving them some sort of guarantee that they will be one of two left standing or (b) waiting for a war between us and MIA so they can catch up on us both. MIA is desperate and aware that a die-hard alliance Nut's/KISS is the end for them so we have to give Nuts a better offer. We could skip #2 though and settle at will.
We could add an explicit part about techs, but I think we will outresearch them if we can lay our hands on the area around Dancing and then let Bede specialice the province.