Diplo for MIA

Tubby Rower · Oct 11, 2005

Only for MIA diplomacy and decisions

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Admiral Kutzov · Oct 11, 2005

we don't need no formal diplo (yet) with MIA. Just keep fe in the loop and ken and emp out. fe is a proper beer fearing idiot (honorary)

Tubby Rower · Oct 12, 2005

came with the save for turn 45

Here you are!

Please excuse our warrior on the hill. He's just taking in the view
and will be moving on - still respecting your borders of course!
Please feel free to contact us with any concerns.

All the best,
President General W

Tubby Rower · Oct 13, 2005

Please review before I send it off to MIA:

To the emissaries of MIA:

Team KISS has made contact with Team Doughnut. We have agreed to a deal with Team D'nut to get Philosophy and Code of Laws for Iron Working, Ceremonial Burial, Warrior Code, and Mysticism.

With an earlier agreement we are still left to send MIA Writing and MIA to return with Masonry. We have completed Writing. To facilitate an appearance to the other teams of less cooperation than is actually between our great nations, we propose that we send Writing at the same time that MIA finishes Masonry. CoL and Philo can be exchanged for other techs at a later date.

We will start researching Republic as soon as the D'nut deal is complete. This will facilitate an early goal that both of our great nations had from the beginning of our relationship.

There is an opportunity for both of us here. While we are researching Republic, we will need support from you for the other AA techs that are remaining. We have confirmed that team TNT has a D'nut slave. D'nut has also committed to us to research Horseback Riding. We are assuming this is to exact revenge upon the exploding clods in the north of the other continent.

We have also found out a portion of what happened on the other continent. D'nut has told us that the exchanged greetings with TNT in the "middle of nowhere". D'nut was hoping to exchange technologies but TNT attacked them. So there is a good bit of hostility on the other continent.

TNT has also not returned our greeting. We are currently in the process of surveying their beaches. They might treat you better than they have us or better than the D'nutters have treated you.

Your allies,
Team KISS

Whomp · Oct 13, 2005

Should we explain that Donut is willing to co-research with us and what MIA thinks we should suggest they research after HBR?

Tubby Rower · Oct 13, 2005

That could be good. They could give us a gpt payment and we facilitate the trade through D'nut.

Whomp · Oct 13, 2005

They could also research a path that Donut does not go. If we could convince Donut to research Monarchy while we do Republic that would be the most ideal.

Crakie · Oct 13, 2005

Yeah, that would rock! But let us also not forget the free tech that they will get upon advancement... we might want that tech to be included when trading republic to them.

Whomp · Oct 13, 2005

Crakie said:
Yeah, that would rock! But let us also not forget the free tech that they will get upon advancement... we might want that tech to be included when trading republic to them.

Republic is 840 beakers. HBR 150 and Monarchy 720. I think we could easily give Donut a small lump sum gold to make up the difference in beakers and for their war effort. :evil:

Crakie · Oct 13, 2005

Oh, wait, I was confusing MIA and Donuts here. In any case a partner that researches monarchy would be nice. Ideally, the doughnuts, then we can have MIA's free tech

Whomp · Oct 13, 2005

Crakie said:
Oh, wait, I was confusing MIA and Donuts here. In any case a partner that researches monarchy would be nice. Ideally, the doughnuts, then we can have MIA's free tech

No you got it right Crakie. Donut got philo and chose CoL. I think about that time TNT attacked and they started on wheel instead of Republic.

Whomp · Oct 14, 2005

We got in a little trouble here but I think we're ok. It seems to make sense to have Donut go maths and currency. We need to make things as transparent as possible.

Spoiler :

Whomp · Oct 14, 2005

The rest of the story....

Spoiler :

Tubby Rower · Oct 14, 2005

Man I feel bad you were put in that position, Whomp. I wish I had IM back at work. :gripe:

So to sum up, we need to kiss and make up a little to MIA.... What kind of hardball were they playing?? Wheel, IW and WC for Philo & CoL??? That would never fly. I thought that D'nut wanted those three techs for just Philo. Oh well.

I think that we should send Writing to MIA this turn. It will look like they researched it themselves and when they get Masonry in a few turns, it'll look like they have traded with TNT. No way around suspicion with Phio & CoL (and later Republic).

Well we could "trade" them Masonry for Philo even though we were already supposed to get Masonry.

I'll PM fe later this morning. Please comment.

fe & MIA,

We are sorry for the mis-understanding with the Diplomacy with D'nut. Our understanding was that D'nut was requesting a trade for IW, The Wheel, & WC for just Philosophy. If we knew that you were getting CoL as well we would have fully been behind that deal.

As it happened, writing completed last turn for us and we didn't want too many turns @ zero research (as that will help no one). So we expedited the deal with D'nut. Rest assured we will forward those techs as promised earlier. We will send Writing this turn to give the image that you had just finished it a couple of turns behind us. Once you get Masonry, it'll appear to D'nut that you had traded Writing for Masonry with TNT. After that turn we can trade The Wheel & Masonry for Philo and CoL. I believe that will make us even in techs.

Our research will be going toward Republic this upcoming turn. Once republic is done, we can exchange it.

Your friends,
KISS

Kickbooti · Oct 14, 2005

Boy am I glad Whomp is POTKISS. No wonder he's in sales

I was interested in seeing that there are factions within MIA. While I know both teams are out to win, I think that our basic disposition toward MIA is one of trust.

Anyway, as we get into the more complex phase of PBEM diplomacy, I put up for consideration a one time gift of gold with no strings attatched as a good-faith pledge.

In RL, money talks, Provo walks; and since our opponents are human - many of the RL rules apply.

We 'aint rich, and I'm not talking about an large sum, but something that proves what we did was unintentional and that we consider MIA allies. If nothing else it would give Fe something tangible to point to with the 'young bucks' of MIA rather than simply asking them to trust his judgment.

A thought.

Tubby Rower · Oct 14, 2005

That's a good idea. It won't hurt us and it won't help them. but it will foster a little trust on their part. we have 40 G in the bank and another 16G coming this turn from zero research. I'd think 25-35G would be not be a burden and not be insignificant at the same time

btw, I sent the above quoted portion to fe

gmaharriet · Oct 14, 2005

Nicely done, Whomp! I love reading the diplo logs. You handled it well.

Whomp · Oct 14, 2005

We should definitely send them writing since they will likely research maps or lit first. This is a case where neither team was 100% open since I don't recall them telling us that they had a deadline deal either. I'm sure it won't happen again and let's chalk this up as a learning experience with a unsatisfactory for communication. No one is to blame here since most of us knew that communication was important. Part of that was Fe was not around so others need to be kept in the loop.

Now as far as writing I would agree MIA/KISS don't need to explain how MIA got writing. However we can say that we picked up masonry and wheel for CoL and hold off on philo for the time being since it has no value. We can always say some some gpt was exchanged at some point too.(which we have on another deal). Since we will be running min. science on republic so gold works well as a gift.

I think we send Donut down maths path (so they can get cats and extend the war) and currency (for markets in republic) is the most rewarding for us. If TNT calls (or with MIA) we can send them down the monarchy path.

Tubby Rower · Oct 14, 2005

So send gold with Writing or not?

If so how much? I'm leaning toward 35 but 25 will work too.

Whomp · Oct 14, 2005

25g will be sufficient methinks.

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