Diplo for MIA

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we don't need no formal diplo (yet) with MIA. Just keep fe in the loop and ken and emp out. fe is a proper beer fearing idiot (honorary)
 
came with the save for turn 45
Here you are!

Please excuse our warrior on the hill. He's just taking in the view
and will be moving on - still respecting your borders of course!
Please feel free to contact us with any concerns.

All the best,
President General W
 
Please review before I send it off to MIA:
To the emissaries of MIA:

Team KISS has made contact with Team Doughnut. We have agreed to a deal with Team D'nut to get Philosophy and Code of Laws for Iron Working, Ceremonial Burial, Warrior Code, and Mysticism.

With an earlier agreement we are still left to send MIA Writing and MIA to return with Masonry. We have completed Writing. To facilitate an appearance to the other teams of less cooperation than is actually between our great nations, we propose that we send Writing at the same time that MIA finishes Masonry. CoL and Philo can be exchanged for other techs at a later date.

We will start researching Republic as soon as the D'nut deal is complete. This will facilitate an early goal that both of our great nations had from the beginning of our relationship.

There is an opportunity for both of us here. While we are researching Republic, we will need support from you for the other AA techs that are remaining. We have confirmed that team TNT has a D'nut slave. D'nut has also committed to us to research Horseback Riding. We are assuming this is to exact revenge upon the exploding clods in the north of the other continent.

We have also found out a portion of what happened on the other continent. D'nut has told us that the exchanged greetings with TNT in the "middle of nowhere". D'nut was hoping to exchange technologies but TNT attacked them. So there is a good bit of hostility on the other continent.

TNT has also not returned our greeting. We are currently in the process of surveying their beaches. They might treat you better than they have us or better than the D'nutters have treated you.

Your allies,
Team KISS
 
Should we explain that Donut is willing to co-research with us and what MIA thinks we should suggest they research after HBR?
 
That could be good. They could give us a gpt payment and we facilitate the trade through D'nut.
 
They could also research a path that Donut does not go. If we could convince Donut to research Monarchy while we do Republic that would be the most ideal.
 
Yeah, that would rock! But let us also not forget the free tech that they will get upon advancement... we might want that tech to be included when trading republic to them.
 
Crakie said:
Yeah, that would rock! But let us also not forget the free tech that they will get upon advancement... we might want that tech to be included when trading republic to them.
Republic is 840 beakers. HBR 150 and Monarchy 720. I think we could easily give Donut a small lump sum gold to make up the difference in beakers and for their war effort. :evil: ;)
 
Oh, wait, I was confusing MIA and Donuts here. In any case a partner that researches monarchy would be nice. Ideally, the doughnuts, then we can have MIA's free tech :D
 
Crakie said:
Oh, wait, I was confusing MIA and Donuts here. In any case a partner that researches monarchy would be nice. Ideally, the doughnuts, then we can have MIA's free tech :D
No you got it right Crakie. Donut got philo and chose CoL. I think about that time TNT attacked and they started on wheel instead of Republic.
 
We got in a little trouble here but I think we're ok. It seems to make sense to have Donut go maths and currency. We need to make things as transparent as possible.
Spoiler :
bawhomp: Did we send a message to you guys today?
fe3333au: skippy e-mail
bawhomp: sweet
fe3333au: about trade not swappinbg
fe3333au: *swapping
fe3333au: not today but yesterday
bawhomp: ok so he filled you in.
bawhomp: how sweet is that.
bawhomp: we've got these guys by the yah yahs
fe3333au: fill me in more ... the e-mail I got was about keeping our relationship hidden
bawhomp: OK here's the deal. I may be speaking out of turn but so what
bawhomp: We ended up getting CoL and Philo from Donut.
fe3333au: damn we were going for that
bawhomp: No worries now
bawhomp: It's the best possible situation
fe3333au: what you trade for it
bawhomp: cb, wc, iw and myst
fe3333au: **** man ... you said that we should play hardball
fe3333au: we could have gone for Wheel, IW and WC
fe3333au: for the same thing
bawhomp: not CoL
fe3333au: wish you had waited
fe3333au: yes for phil and CoL
bawhomp: hmmm...
bawhomp: I wasn't in the deal but tubby figured we got more beakers in return than we gave.
bawhomp: I was at the baseball game that night.
fe3333au: we really should have talked ... even with an e-mail
bawhomp: I'm sorry.
bawhomp: I wasn't there.
fe3333au: not mad at you ... and I've been away
bawhomp: I was looking for you.
fe3333au: but disa[ppointed cos now you want us to pay for tech thatr we could have gone for
bawhomp: no
bawhomp: not true
fe3333au: was ken or emp around?
bawhomp: I wasn't involved in the transaction but it was a good deal.
fe3333au: call it a hickup ;-)
bawhomp: I think it gives us both what we want
bawhomp: and what they need
bawhomp: prolong a war
fe3333au: so do we get philo and CoL from you?
bawhomp: Yes
fe3333au: free?
bawhomp: Yes.
fe3333au: 1 sec
bawhomp: We would like wheel if you'd be so kind but we need to talk about that.
fe3333au: Oh of course we will give you wheel ...
bawhomp: Here's the thing. We need to trickle techs to each other.
fe3333au: But this will give Nuts intel that we are trading tech
bawhomp: I don't think we want donut to know we friends
bawhomp: So we make it look like tech trades
bawhomp: They want to full research with us but I think I'd like to steer them towards monarchy.
fe3333au: Looks like Nuts will ask for Wheel from us
bawhomp: They're researching it
fe3333au: how will it look if we don't trade
fe3333au: ok
bawhomp: Now they can go HBR a
fe3333au: my team will be pissed off
bawhomp: and I'd like them to research monarchy
bawhomp: I'm sorry. I think we screwed up.
fe3333au: yep
fe3333au: I know how many think
bawhomp: Hmm...
fe3333au: atm ... you are ahead in evrything .... how can this be addressed
bawhomp: We will give you everything.
fe3333au: the relationship not equal
fe3333au: trickle
bawhomp: To make it like transparent.
fe3333au: welll lets look at it
fe3333au: you have Philo
fe3333au: that is dead end tech
fe3333au: we don't actually need atm
bawhomp: no you need it for republic
fe3333au: so you keep that one
bawhomp: CoL has value to you
fe3333au: maybe you research re[public and we other stuff
bawhomp: This opens up the tree big time
fe3333au: yes CoL
bawhomp: exactly
bawhomp: The problem was we wanted to get it done before our turn.
fe3333au: so we give wheel for CoL or ... trust us to give it when you want it
bawhomp: I will make a personal apology if necessary.
fe3333au: there are huts with tech to be popped ;-)
fe3333au: Well I don't think that is necessary ... you and I have both got proven track record in honesty and openness
bawhomp: I think when you finish masonry you can give wheel and it will look transparent
bawhomp: I think we saw an opening and felt it got us to our end means
fe3333au: send us a proposal in writing and our game gurus will put it through the abacus and we will end up with something beautiful
bawhomp: Now I feel horrible
fe3333au: good :-D
bawhomp: OK here's my thoughts...
fe3333au: so did you party with TNT yet?
bawhomp: blank them
bawhomp: they have not even responded to us.
fe3333au: we had same prob with Nuts
bawhomp: I mean ZERO return call.
bawhomp: What's up with that? How does that help them?
fe3333au: Idiots! both of them
bawhomp: No we are!
bawhomp: :-D
fe3333au: we are another breed of idiot ... those that celebrate it ... the others are not even aware ;-)
bawhomp: Idiot civants?
bawhomp: pun
fe3333au: he he he he
bawhomp: OK so what should we do?
bawhomp: We can direct donut at our whim.
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: My thoughts are they go HBR for their UU and fight...then monarchy.
fe3333au: they have basically woowhoed themselves with us ... my last etter was a copy of correspondence to them
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: Let's play good cop bad cop
fe3333au: within MIA the brains have thought this also
bawhomp: You do the same with TNT
bawhomp: they hate us!
bawhomp: obviously
fe3333au: when we meet we shall see ... but PWE is a misanthrope
bawhomp: We have new names for others on their team
fe3333au: Could we say that we think KISS is helping Nuts to TNT?
bawhomp: Strider=Strident and Donsig =Duncecap
fe3333au: he he I anly use PWE
fe3333au: actually what do you call me????
bawhomp: The problem with that is they are close.
bawhomp: Fe
bawhomp: An honorary idiot to be honest
fe3333au: I sometimes call skippy with a beer ref
fe3333au: I blush now
fe3333au: so we also sent you a proposal about not popping huts 5 tiles from boraders
bawhomp: I don't real understand all that...
fe3333au: waiting for your responce to that one
bawhomp: I stayed out of that one cuz I don't see it being necessary...but that's just me.
bawhomp: Do you?
fe3333au: Well Tindrummer brought it up
bawhomp: I think we are good with it.
fe3333au: and I though that it would be good if this constraint applied to both parties
bawhomp: I haven't commented on it but we will do it.
fe3333au: Our team had a problem with the administrators being judges
fe3333au: *some of our team
bawhomp: Our team needs outside counsel to talk in public threads
fe3333au: ??
bawhomp: There's too much bullhooey flying around that's useless tit for tat
fe3333au: in the UN
bawhomp: rules
fe3333au: PWE
bawhomp: I can't understand half the fling Donsig says.
bawhomp: Nothing less than 100 words
fe3333au: My ref to admin judges is that they would tell KISS if MIA popped hut 5 tiles from your known boarders and visa versa
bawhomp: I don't see barbs being an issue
bawhomp: again that's just me.
bawhomp: Seems pretty complex
fe3333au: I like to keep option of not popping Barb Hut cos our military needs practce
fe3333au: Have you seen any Barb Huts btw? ... we have not
fe3333au: But Barb Hut was add on ... Goody huts is the big issue for writing that proposal
bawhomp: villages or huts?
fe3333au: Barbarian camps, Huts, nests, ... area where barbarians hang out
fe3333au: we have seen only Goody Huts
bawhomp: one camp
bawhomp: we popped it for 25g
fe3333au: so there are around ...
bawhomp: They're out there.
bawhomp: Horses coming once donut finishes hbr
fe3333au: so we will tell you when we discover a barb 5 tiles from your boarder ... visa versa ... and you will then give orders leave it alone or kill ... visa versa
bawhomp: ok.
fe3333au: yes it will be good for the other continent
fe3333au: so if you are happy with the wording as is ... I will draw a parchment to that effect
bawhomp: OK. Send it through and Tubby will post it in the forum tomorrow.
fe3333au: You will PM a proposal to us about the tech trading and how it will work including what we give each other etc ... yes
fe3333au: and when
bawhomp: We already had it drawn up but didn't send it for some reason.
fe3333au: then our boffins will muse and scratch at it ... and we will send back
bawhomp: I guess I was looking for you today and you were'nt online
bawhomp: By not having to research CoL it will accelerate our capabilities
fe3333au: sure you will trade it for masonary ...
fe3333au: so it looks legit
bawhomp: Yes I would say writing first
fe3333au: But send us your future trading and how you think our respective research paths will happen
bawhomp: we can also tell them you gave us gold for things too.
fe3333au: true ... so how open are you guys with Nuts?
bawhomp: I think we'll do republic and you guys do lit, mapmaking.
bawhomp: They were fine with us.
bawhomp: Aussie
bawhomp: Robi
bawhomp: they talked beer
fe3333au: he has only dealt with Ken
bawhomp: AK's favorite
bawhomp: It was tubby, ak and mistfit
fe3333au: interesting ... I sent all previous correspondence to AK as well (I think) so he knew how we were going with hardball ...
fe3333au: anyway ... if in future I am not around ... like this weekend
fe3333au: you guys should try Ken or Emp or Gen_W or Peter_Grimes
bawhomp: Ok...tail between his legs...
fe3333au: no worries with me ... these things happen ... and
fe3333au: it may be beneficial that Nuts think they have found a best buddy
fe3333au: in you guys
bawhomp: I do think it's best for both of us.
bawhomp: We get to where we want even faster.
fe3333au: maybe we will be able to do something similar with TNT
bawhomp: We may have overpaid.
fe3333au: Myst was way over ...
bawhomp: in beakers it was not
fe3333au: glad you didn't have Wheel ;-)
bawhomp: we actually got the better end of the deal in beakers
fe3333au: What goss you get from them?
fe3333au: How did war start?
bawhomp: goss?
fe3333au: gossip
fe3333au: Oz slang
bawhomp: they said they were starting to tech trade and tnt attacked.
fe3333au: did they lose workers as well as warriors
bawhomp: tnt has a slave
fe3333au: he he he
fe3333au: I like that
fe3333au: How strong are TNT?
bawhomp: stronger than us and we are average with you. so both are building miltary.
fe3333au: greater than 8 units
fe3333au: Nuts are also Average ... but you already know that now ;-)
bawhomp: i thought nuts we strong to you
bawhomp: and us
fe3333au: Both you and Nuts average
bawhomp: really?
fe3333au: unless i read it wrong
bawhomp: they better get busy.
bawhomp: here's provo's comments in the turntracker
fe3333au: waiting for better units to produce
bawhomp: Turn46 sent to MIA, happy new millenium, our good Doughnuts

fe3333au: he he he
fe3333au: they really ****ed themselves
fe3333au: every time ... we had to chase them to open a dialogue
fe3333au: every time we had to ask what they thought of our deal
fe3333au: if their words had been friendlier they could have gotton Wheel sooner
bawhomp: I don't understand it.
bawhomp: and TNT either.
bawhomp: why not open a line of communication?
bawhomp: what's the downside?
fe3333au: Robi did let slip ... and I think i sent this to you guyz as well :-) ... that they have a faction which were hard sellers
fe3333au: disorganised?
fe3333au: or focused on TNT
bawhomp: all they had to do is say hi
fe3333au: they did initially say hi ... but after that ...
bawhomp: Not TNT with us.
fe3333au: it was like we had no IM contacts or AIm or any quick form
fe3333au: Ettiquette for me is I travel into your territory ... I must say hi
fe3333au: as you did with us
bawhomp: We are in their territory.
bawhomp: We see their iron hooked up
fe3333au: and you sent a greeting
bawhomp: immortals!
fe3333au: they obviously don't care
fe3333au: feel they have already won the game
bawhomp: How about we plant some GS next to their capital?
fe3333au: They do suspect that we are friends though
bawhomp: who?
fe3333au: GS?
bawhomp: Gallic swords
fe3333au: who is TNT suspect KISS and MIA friends
fe3333au: he he he
bawhomp: TNT doesn't know anybody as of right now
bawhomp: they are at war with donut and they won't talk to us.
bawhomp: you haven't met them. Right?
fe3333au: Maybe they will repond to us ... we are still looking for them
bawhomp: it will take time.
bawhomp: you are almost better finding them along donuts coast
fe3333au: May well have to do that
fe3333au: but will mean another boat
bawhomp: The reason our letter wasn't sent was my fault because I wanted to add that we need to keep things out of donuts thinking.
bawhomp: did that make any sense what I just said?
fe3333au: e-mail for skippy mentioned that
fe3333au: But not that you had made trade
bawhomp: we were waiting to send the letter because I wanted to word it that we need to make it look transparent.
bawhomp: tubby had it ready this morning. my bad
fe3333au: You really are a naughty boy ;-)
bawhomp: it was not intentional.
fe3333au: already said and understood
bawhomp: ok i feel bad though.
fe3333au: most if not all of MIA will read the truth in your words
bawhomp: we should have filled you in much earlier.
fe3333au: That is also a truism :-D
bawhomp: I think we were too excited that we both get republic that much faster and you don't need to research CoL
bawhomp: and us philo.
fe3333au: They actually had us palying aginst each other ... this should NEVER happen AGAIN !!!
bawhomp: ok
bawhomp: Tubby being tubby saw us getting the better end of the deal
fe3333au: but we are possibly stronger in the hidden alliance now ... so that is good !!!
bawhomp: They want to co research so we need to figure out what we should recommend.
bawhomp: Do you think they'd go for monarchy?
fe3333au: Confide and get our input ... is the best thing so that MIA will fill in the other techs
bawhomp: Right....tail thing again
bawhomp: Are you going to post this?
fe3333au: yes ... but i edit to gether so it makes sence and with headings ... is there something you wish not posted
bawhomp: oh i don't know.
fe3333au: I never post personal stuff
bawhomp: Not really.
fe3333au: so you will post us the master plan so we can mull over it ... this will outline the Nuts part and our part
bawhomp: just a fyi from our last turn...check are weak vs. TNT & D'nut and are average vs MIA

bawhomp: Yes we will. We would like them to finish hbr. The question is whether you should start on mapmaking or lit?
fe3333au: I like lit ... does that mean embassies?
bawhomp: lit mean libraries.
fe3333au: when can embassies happen?
bawhomp: CoL
fe3333au: Oh
fe3333au: Actually if we get map ... does that give harbours?
fe3333au: thinking about trade here
fe3333au: we want some wine
bawhomp: galleys with maps
bawhomp: we have not hooked up excess but we can work on that for you.
fe3333au: so near future only way for us to trade is raod
bawhomp: raod?
fe3333au: *road
bawhomp: or coast
bawhomp: once the fog is cleared and there's a harbor
fe3333au: Oh right ... coastal ... we can get that soonish
bawhomp: mapmaking galleys and harbors
bawhomp: lit libraries
fe3333au: so MM may be a good one for us the research
bawhomp: CoL courthouse.
fe3333au: But Lit means faster reasearch
fe3333au: so will discuss with the boffins
bawhomp: libs are a research multiplier yes
bawhomp: here's my thoughts for donut
bawhomp: hbr
bawhomp: then either maths
fe3333au: maths is good war tech
bawhomp: yes i think maths because it leads to currency which means markets
fe3333au: and catapults
bawhomp: maths is good for them for cats
bawhomp: yes
fe3333au: They will go for that
bawhomp: ok
bawhomp: we need to convince tnt to go for poly to monarchy then
bawhomp: let me look up beakers real quick
fe3333au: take your time
bawhomp: ok maths 240 and currency 480
bawhomp: republic 840
bawhomp: lit 300, maps 369
bawhomp: 360
bawhomp: sorry
fe3333au: so we go for Lit and MM
fe3333au: you go for Rep
bawhomp: it would be cheaper if you went maths and currency
bawhomp: but they need maths
fe3333au: but don't you want Nuts to go that way
bawhomp: kind of yes because we want a long drawn out war, right?
fe3333au: yep
bawhomp: then galleys, harbors and libraries are more important to us both
fe3333au: we will really have to nut (excuse pun) the hidden tech swapping between us ... so TNT and NUts suspect nothing
bawhomp: I know but some of it can be explained by normal trading.
fe3333au: maybe with some we will both have to research .. don't know ...
bawhomp: we got a tech from a hut so we can say "we got a tech from a hut"
fe3333au: yep
bawhomp: gpt
bawhomp: and gold
bawhomp: luxs
bawhomp: as far as donut knows you took writing off the table.
fe3333au: Oh thats good ... instead of swapping lux ... have tech involved as well
bawhomp: so we traded it with you for masonry
fe3333au: and what you swap with us is none of their business

 
The rest of the story....
Spoiler :
bawhomp: zactly
fe3333au: and you can not agree to exclusivity with them
bawhomp: agreed.
fe3333au: and we will try to swap military tech with TNT I guess
bawhomp: They want to co research but it's for our mutual benefit
bawhomp: We hope to as well if they ever ring us up
fe3333au: our being us being KISS/MIA
fe3333au: and we want Nuts to go for Monarchy .. yes
bawhomp: doesn't work
bawhomp: not if they go hbr, maths and currency
bawhomp: TNT poly and monarchy. They're aggressive so it's the govt. they'd likely want anyhow.
bawhomp: They are both heading straight into a despotic GA!:-D
bawhomp: They should not be underestimated though. TNT is too close to us.
bawhomp: We don't want either to have boats.
fe3333au: Lookouts must be posted at the sea channels ... and early warning called ... These plans may change ... depending on what is popped by Huts ... so we must keep each other informed ...
fe3333au: it may be better for us to go for MM first
bawhomp: Yep.
bawhomp: though libs will increase research.
bawhomp: either way they're both good to have.
bawhomp: Lit is not a required tech to get out of the AA but libs are important.
fe3333au: yep
fe3333au: esp for us
fe3333au: science trait
bawhomp: cheap libs
fe3333au: expansion of boarders as well
bawhomp: yep
fe3333au: but primariliy resaerch quicker
bawhomp: multipliers are good.
bawhomp: markets are my favorite.
bawhomp: it will be easy to sell donut on maths
bawhomp: What do we do if they ask for help?
fe3333au: so you will fullon Republic
bawhomp: yep all 840 freakin beakers.
bawhomp: What happens if someone gets a SGL?
fe3333au: good question ... tell the other and then discuss where it can be best used
bawhomp: This should open up that possibility big time.
bawhomp: lots of monopolies being researched and TNT left in the dust cuz they won't communicate
fe3333au: Trick will be to think from TNT POV
fe3333au: They will see who has techs the same
fe3333au: so if you only give us the important ones
bawhomp: They will be so far behind it's unreal.
fe3333au: and leave Philo and other stuff away from us untill we need it ... TNT may see that you and their big enemy are friends
fe3333au: and perhaps come to us
fe3333au: either way we will be researching stuff you do not directly need
bawhomp: once you have writing it opens the tech tree.
fe3333au: and then trade the important stuff
fe3333au: which you must sell high to Nuts if they want it ... no deals for them
fe3333au: or we can approach them to trade to get some tech and cash
bawhomp: I think if we (us) get maths, currency and hbr it's a good deal for republic.
fe3333au: in fact we could approach Nuts and you also with the same piece of tech
bawhomp: here's an idea
fe3333au: yep and kissmia will deal around that as well
bawhomp: when you finish something hold it till they finish something and we broker to each of you...
bawhomp: they look at as if we traded tech for tech.
fe3333au: yep ... we will discuss when each scenario presents itself
bawhomp: This is a good scenario for us.
bawhomp: That's why our guys were so excited to get the deal done...freakin' anarchists.:-D
fe3333au: but now leashed ... nicht war?
fe3333au: *German for correct?
bawhomp: yes...as potkiss I will make sure
fe3333au: I wuv you guyz:-*
bawhomp: kisses
fe3333au: Better stop now or teams will talk ... and admins and moderators too
bawhomp: you can send that to mia
bawhomp: lol
fe3333au: of course in it's own section
bawhomp: riiight.
fe3333au: now OT
bawhomp: K
fe3333au: can you imagine if it was not you and I in this scenario
fe3333au: probably war
bawhomp: You're done scolding me.
fe3333au: for now ;-)
bawhomp: Well we trust you.
fe3333au: The kids would have gone into overdrive
fe3333au: and the paranoia of PWE
bawhomp: I know. I'm not sure how we screwed that up.
fe3333au: to be american ... By Gones
bawhomp: I think it was because our turn was up and we needed to decide quick
bawhomp: or turn off research for a couple turns
fe3333au: We were holding off ... cos they gave us deadline
fe3333au: arogant bastards
fe3333au: no politeness on their part
bawhomp: See I don't think we knew that.
fe3333au: didn't even acknowledge that they werein trouble
bawhomp: Now they need to put their helmets on
fe3333au: I think you did ... or should have guessed from my last letter to them of take it or leave it language
fe3333au: which i sent
bawhomp: right.
fe3333au: Now they can at least make iron helmets
bawhomp: I thought you said they had a deadline
bawhomp: and bows
bawhomp: arrows
fe3333au: we gave them take it or leave it
bawhomp: ride horses
fe3333au: then they returned with a deadline
bawhomp: pray at the temple of Rik
fe3333au: we got problems with RNGites
bawhomp: ****e happens
fe3333au: but the creator and his two angels manifest ...
fe3333au: these blasphemers are creating trouble for all good Meleetites
fe3333au: Have you have much luck with goody huts?
fe3333au: we seem to only get bloody barbs
bawhomp: We have avoided most.
bawhomp: 65%
fe3333au: saving for later
bawhomp: better to slay with archers.
bawhomp: or spears
fe3333au: I'd wait for your UU to get experienced
bawhomp: I only worry about our workers
fe3333au: good point
bawhomp: poor guys get paid 1 gold every 50 years
 
Man I feel bad you were put in that position, Whomp. I wish I had IM back at work. :gripe:

So to sum up, we need to kiss and make up a little to MIA.... What kind of hardball were they playing?? Wheel, IW and WC for Philo & CoL??? That would never fly. I thought that D'nut wanted those three techs for just Philo. Oh well.

I think that we should send Writing to MIA this turn. It will look like they researched it themselves and when they get Masonry in a few turns, it'll look like they have traded with TNT. No way around suspicion with Phio & CoL (and later Republic).

Well we could "trade" them Masonry for Philo even though we were already supposed to get Masonry.

I'll PM fe later this morning. Please comment.

fe & MIA,

We are sorry for the mis-understanding with the Diplomacy with D'nut. Our understanding was that D'nut was requesting a trade for IW, The Wheel, & WC for just Philosophy. If we knew that you were getting CoL as well we would have fully been behind that deal.

As it happened, writing completed last turn for us and we didn't want too many turns @ zero research (as that will help no one). So we expedited the deal with D'nut. Rest assured we will forward those techs as promised earlier. We will send Writing this turn to give the image that you had just finished it a couple of turns behind us. Once you get Masonry, it'll appear to D'nut that you had traded Writing for Masonry with TNT. After that turn we can trade The Wheel & Masonry for Philo and CoL. I believe that will make us even in techs.

Our research will be going toward Republic this upcoming turn. Once republic is done, we can exchange it.

Your friends,
KISS
 
Boy am I glad Whomp is POTKISS. No wonder he's in sales ;)

I was interested in seeing that there are factions within MIA. While I know both teams are out to win, I think that our basic disposition toward MIA is one of trust.

Anyway, as we get into the more complex phase of PBEM diplomacy, I put up for consideration a one time gift of gold with no strings attatched as a good-faith pledge.

In RL, money talks, Provo walks; and since our opponents are human - many of the RL rules apply.

We 'aint rich, and I'm not talking about an large sum, but something that proves what we did was unintentional and that we consider MIA allies. If nothing else it would give Fe something tangible to point to with the 'young bucks' of MIA rather than simply asking them to trust his judgment.

A thought.
 
That's a good idea. It won't hurt us and it won't help them. but it will foster a little trust on their part. we have 40 G in the bank and another 16G coming this turn from zero research. I'd think 25-35G would be not be a burden and not be insignificant at the same time

btw, I sent the above quoted portion to fe
 
Nicely done, Whomp! I love reading the diplo logs. You handled it well. :)
 
We should definitely send them writing since they will likely research maps or lit first. This is a case where neither team was 100% open since I don't recall them telling us that they had a deadline deal either. I'm sure it won't happen again and let's chalk this up as a learning experience with a unsatisfactory for communication. No one is to blame here since most of us knew that communication was important. Part of that was Fe was not around so others need to be kept in the loop.

Now as far as writing I would agree MIA/KISS don't need to explain how MIA got writing. However we can say that we picked up masonry and wheel for CoL and hold off on philo for the time being since it has no value. We can always say some some gpt was exchanged at some point too.(which we have on another deal). Since we will be running min. science on republic so gold works well as a gift.

I think we send Donut down maths path (so they can get cats and extend the war) and currency (for markets in republic) is the most rewarding for us. If TNT calls (or with MIA) we can send them down the monarchy path.
 
So send gold with Writing or not?

If so how much? I'm leaning toward 35 but 25 will work too.
 
25g will be sufficient methinks.
 
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