fe3333au: Hi Guys
bawhomp:
General
GeneralW77: :slaute:
bawhomp: Hey General the way you sent the save it didn't give us the option not to take wheel btw.
fe3333au: We inadvertently sent you Writing Whomp
bawhomp: huh?
bawhomp: are you saying you didn't accept?
GeneralW77: Well - we had already agreed to send the Wheel. So I just clicked "Accept" and Sent it.
bawhomp: No probs I think it's easily explainable.
fe3333au: no we made mistake about wheel ...
fe3333au: I did not make it clear
bawhomp: Yeah but I think you can explain it if Donut asks.
fe3333au: and the confusion of the rapid turn cycle made it confusing as well
GeneralW77: Our "official" foreign minister hasn't been around alot - I saw him on AIM, and he told me to send it... sorry for any difficulty!
bawhomp: No issues here.
bawhomp: you can send us 25g if you want;-)
fe3333au: I must not have made clear to him or anyone that we are trying to hide trading of tech
fe3333au: However the issue is that we had Masonry soon or now
GeneralW77: yeah - I didn't get that till AFTER I played the turn - but I'm just now caught back up on the forums (out for a bit for LASIK eye surgery)
bawhomp: I heard that's like a world of difference.
fe3333au: I had bad night ... so excuse my slow thinking
bawhomp: you ok?
fe3333au: but Whomp ... we want to nut out want each team is doing and when and for what ... the Master Plan I talked about
fe3333au: *what
fe3333au: reason is that we are about to pop a hut and don't want to get Philo
fe3333au: waste of a hut
bawhomp: 10% chance
fe3333au: so we need to work out when trades happen b/w us
fe3333au: 10% is 10%
fe3333au: if we get HBR then better yes?
bawhomp: Right so when should we send CoL? Next?
bawhomp: btw the next tech I think would be hbr not philo
fe3333au: send Philo now I think
fe3333au: you sure ?
bawhomp: I think it's ranked lower.
GeneralW77: (Just for the record - I have no idea! Isn't that helpful.)
bawhomp: let me look
fe3333au: Has anyone got access to the CFC atm?
bawhomp: yes
fe3333au: I am not even connected yet ... only e-mail
bawhomp: you guys I have to walk the puppies give me 10.
GeneralW77:
have fun
GeneralW77: Hey - I got to go here in just moment.Main thing I wanted to talk about was better coordination of our Foreign Policy - esp our trading.
GeneralW77: I think we (KISSMIA) could have gotten a much better deal out of D'nuts if we had been on the same page.
GeneralW77: They were desperate for military techs against TNT, but instead of taking advantage of their desperation, we allowed them to play us against each other.
bawhomp: i'm back
bawhomp: I know we screwed that up.
bawhomp: You guys still here?
GeneralW77: lol - sorry -
GeneralW77: I'm here but about to go.
GeneralW77: It's alright - we're not that upset with you.
GeneralW77: upset/impressed with D'nuts for playing us like a fiddle.
GeneralW77: but we need to get on the same page - even if it's covert - to avoid this in the future.
bawhomp: OK just so you're aware we have a worker and settler named Bernie by your warrior
bawhomp: Correct. I think CoL is more valuable if you want us to send something.
GeneralW77: sounds good to me - I'm just the figure head anyway :-D
bawhomp: I sent a message to Donut that we'd like to chat and that I was the one who ate part of the donut they sent....quite a controversy at KISS
GeneralW77: and I gotta run. Movie night. Sorry gentlemen - looking forward to seeing what you two work out.
bawhomp: See ya General
fe3333au: I am just catching up
GeneralW77:
- to Glory our our two peoples!
GeneralW77 has left the room.
fe3333au: so bottom line is that ... the rapid turns and vacant offiacls ... little chaotic
bawhomp: ikes.
bawhomp: Btw you should know we are going to fake a wonder build for a couple turns
fe3333au: back to game ... waht we need from you guys is a masterplan
bawhomp: and it has nothing to do with the game
fe3333au: a research and trade blue print
bawhomp: We think our conversation with donut will help. HBR, maths and currency
bawhomp: You guys map make and lit.
bawhomp: then I don't know...
fe3333au: Can you draft one up ... with all three of us indicated
bawhomp: The remaining two techs are exepensive.
bawhomp: Yes. Can we wait till they agree?
fe3333au: We are saving the pop huts so play pop goes the tech
bawhomp: Are you settling near huts>
bawhomp: ?
fe3333au: Thats the thing ... we don't want Nuts to get strong either
fe3333au: We have saved some huts near our cities
fe3333au: just waiting for a poping party
bawhomp: don't pop settle next to them...no barbs
fe3333au: So you want nuts to go for HBR ... Maths ... Currancy
bawhomp: yes
fe3333au: What do Nuts get from you?
bawhomp: republic
bawhomp: too late to help
fe3333au: and we MM and Lit ...
bawhomp: and then I don't know since there are only two more expensive techs left. poly and construction
fe3333au: is HBR the next probably popping tech?
bawhomp: let me check
bawhomp: HBR is cheaper than philo 180 beakers to 150
fe3333au: ok so our next pop is HBR
bawhomp: poly is 360 and construction is 600
bawhomp: I think it's ranked by beakers.
bawhomp: It's buried in one of our threads but I think it's based on beaker cost
fe3333au: Part of the Master Plan is also how to hide tech compatibility form other eyes ... yes
bawhomp: Lux, gpt and regular trades.
fe3333au: So the reason we need a blue print is that the wheel gify blunder will not happen again
fe3333au: So will you give us Philo
bawhomp: It's only how he sent the trade. it's different with pbems
fe3333au: I know that ... Emp would have said gift it to you
fe3333au: which is ACCEPT and then SEND
bawhomp: right.
fe3333au: we have Masonry this comming turn
bawhomp: So we traded you writing for wheel and what?
fe3333au: Myst ...
bawhomp: ok
bawhomp: so the next logical would be masonry for CoL and...say gpt?
fe3333au: reason we need writing is that we all know how the hidden swapping will work
bawhomp: or lump sum
bawhomp: if asked about it
fe3333au: sure ... but all that the others can potentially see is team A and team B have traded techs
bawhomp: no gold
bawhomp: and no lux once mapmaking comes in
fe3333au: I don't want your relationship with Nuts to appear suss
bawhomp: then harbors are available
bawhomp: suss?
fe3333au: Oz for suspect
bawhomp: understood.
fe3333au: So wrt the deal with Nuts
fe3333au: will you ask for techs as they get them?
bawhomp: Yes.
fe3333au: what if they say no
bawhomp: only way we will deal and easily explainable
bawhomp: then no dice
bawhomp: they need us more than we need them.
fe3333au: OK ... why don't you give them wheel ... say you tradeed it for gold and Philo
fe3333au: that will explain how you got it
bawhomp: we got philo from them
bawhomp: hut
fe3333au: because we told them that we were researching writing ourselves
bawhomp: ok
bawhomp: hut
bawhomp: wheel from hut
fe3333au: k
bawhomp: 1st tier and it fits
fe3333au: sure
bawhomp: it also evens out beakers if they go hbr, maths and currency
fe3333au: the blue print will also have excuses in there so we remember
bawhomp: which we can thell them about TNTs iron which will freak them out for more military techs
fe3333au: we have Masonry ... do we wait a bit before we trade or trade straight away
bawhomp: I think so that we can trade masonry and maps for CoL and Philo
fe3333au: originally we were getting CoL
bawhomp: should we now?
fe3333au: ok
bawhomp: we can. it would be most valuable when you have cash to get an embassy
fe3333au: I will draft an e-mail with what I understand the masterplan is ... and then send it to you for comment
bawhomp: yes.
bawhomp: do you want me to? I hate to pile on you when I have people to help
fe3333au: yes
fe3333au: after all it is your masterplan
fe3333au: we will comment and possible add to it
bawhomp: ok I will work on it.
fe3333au: I see it as an evolving document as well
fe3333au: TNT may play a role
bawhomp: I don't know what to do with them...
fe3333au: although if they are not on the coast ... we are turns away
bawhomp: Yes and they are 6 or so techs behind.
fe3333au: We can approach them in a different manner than you did
fe3333au: however I suspect that they are isolationist
bawhomp: Were we that bad?
bawhomp: out of game is out of game...
fe3333au: no ... but I now speak in Igor ;-)
bawhomp: in game is in game
fe3333au: true
bawhomp: they are blipped if they think they can get away by themselves.
fe3333au: But PWE also said early on the renaming debate .. that he will close his boarders
bawhomp: until our SOD is on his doorstep.
fe3333au: Did Nuts have dislogue with TNT?
fe3333au: *dialogue
fe3333au: or was it PM and e-mail?
bawhomp: didn't say much. they seem pretty angry how it went down and TNT has a worker
fe3333au: Did you just e-mail to TNT or PM the members?
bawhomp: email
bawhomp: pm?
bawhomp: should we?
fe3333au: Hmmm .... with no response from Nuts we Private Message (via forum) 3 active members as well
fe3333au: we also PM each time we send an e-mail
fe3333au: don't know upto you ... you could always ask why they didn't respond
fe3333au: any response is intel
fe3333au: and the ego may use language which can be interpreted
bawhomp: I said that and the team thinks we should ignore. Not my view of things.
fe3333au: democracy is good
fe3333au: That is how we will approach them
fe3333au: You can always reask ;-)
bawhomp: Yes. They are not very well liked in our camp. Being Italian we say keep your friend close and your enemies closer.
bawhomp: I'm Italian is what I meant
fe3333au: I think Germans also said something similar
fe3333au: or maybe Germans said blitzkrieg
bawhomp: I'm not sure how they can help.
fe3333au: One final thing
fe3333au: if a hut is popped by settler
fe3333au: no barbs
bawhomp: Yep
fe3333au: so if barbs was the option
fe3333au: does that mean nothing happens when it is popped?
bawhomp: maps, warrior, tech, gold.
bawhomp: most likely gold I think.
bawhomp: I don't think at this level you'd get a settler. Too high.
fe3333au: so does the probability of the above differ with barbs out of equation?
bawhomp: 65% of a barb if it's popped by a warrior.
fe3333au: oh different % when popped by settler
bawhomp: it also works when your border expands from culture.
bawhomp: yep
fe3333au: what about boarder expansion?
fe3333au: duh
bawhomp: it works
fe3333au: cool
bawhomp: It's how we got WC.
fe3333au: are you getting tired of the renaming debate
bawhomp: Did you see I gave up the UN position...Daghie now. We voted yes to the latest.
fe3333au: it feels as if the whole debate has become an OT evolution vs creationism
bawhomp: Our vote was either yes, no, abstain or whatever Daghie says....Daghie won 8-4
fe3333au: philosophical debate
fe3333au: I like that ...
bawhomp: hehe
bawhomp: we're having fun. We have a great crew.
bawhomp: This is fun for me though.
fe3333au: We are also having fun ... we have some great guys ... some don't IM though .. which is a pity cos much work could be done that way
bawhomp: did you see that Bernie is near your warrior?
bawhomp: Don't kill him please...he's my namesake.
fe3333au: Um ... I havn't seen ... our warriors have names ...
fe3333au: is Bernie a worker?
bawhomp: Settler.
bawhomp: I think the worker is Tommy Boy.
fe3333au: Oh ... havn't seen ... as mentioned this turn came like a train
bawhomp: He's chopping wood.
fe3333au: we have a warrior wandering up north admiring your kulcha borders
fe3333au: looking for savages to bash
bawhomp: right well our worker and settler just stepped in front of him.
fe3333au: They got goats with them?
bawhomp: the worker is carrying an ax to chop wood and the settler is carrying the silverware to plant close by.
fe3333au: Cool ... thay are absolutely safe ... he may sniff them ... but he is safe ... just tell them not to make goat noises and they will be safe
bawhomp: we will give him some goat cheese and the sweet wine for the road.
fe3333au: That will be nice ... thankyou ... wine is nice ... anything goaty sends him off
fe3333au: hope they don't have hair on their chins
bawhomp: They are both clean shaven and male so no help on the lady front.
fe3333au: Shhhhhhhhhhh ... He has a thing for goats
fe3333au: why else have we got him far far far way from our lands
fe3333au: Actually add xxpgrimesxx to your AIM list of our team ... he is Peter Grimes and our Defence Minister
bawhomp: Got him now.
bawhomp: I'm trying to find the barb percentages.
bawhomp: Like you can't get a settler if you have a settler underway.
fe3333au: k ... I am editing so no rush
bawhomp: ok here are the %
bawhomp: 65% barb, 5% chance for city, gold, settler, map, warrior and 10% tech
fe3333au: nice numbers
bawhomp: I'm trying to find the rankings for what techs come first.
fe3333au: you'd think cash would be more
bawhomp: it's different at different levels.
fe3333au: Umm ... I missed when you said faking wonder
bawhomp: Since Bernie will be placed soon and we don't want the new city to get the chop we are setting the new city to a wonder for a few turns. What will freak out the other teams the most?
fe3333au: what options
bawhomp: We could do palace but a wonder will stir them up.
fe3333au: so no point in building palce
fe3333au: so you want to lose the wood chopped? ... not sure I undersatnd the reasoning
bawhomp: no we need to do it for the chop so it doesn't hit the new city.
bawhomp: chops can't be used on palace or wonder builds
fe3333au: Oh I see ... so I guess palce is your only option then yes?
fe3333au: not only option ... but maybe wisest
bawhomp: yes palace it is.
bawhomp: bummer it would have been fun to stir it up.
fe3333au: :-D
bawhomp: oh well.
fe3333au: I like the way you guyz think ;-)
fe3333au: It will be interesting how your talks with Nuts go ...
bawhomp: Ijits
fe3333au: when is the meeting?
bawhomp: I sent the message with the save. No return call yet.
fe3333au: You have any AIMs for them?
bawhomp: robi
bawhomp: and dave shack but IM
fe3333au: Robi have an AIM? ... I thought only MSM
bawhomp: Yeah MSN
bawhomp: not online now
bawhomp: They don't gap like us
bawhomp: gab
fe3333au: he and Robby only one we ever spoke to
fe3333au: I enjoy the gabbing
bawhomp: me too.
bawhomp: but it's midnight and I should sleep.
fe3333au: Nite
bawhomp: night.
ALL HAIL THE RIK!!! 
