Diplomilation Game 1

CCRunner · Feb 8, 2009

[CCRunner the soon to be Great God of Awesomeness and Strategery

Attacks
Roller the Roller the stinky
Charles Li the backstabber

Assists
PieceOfMind the pitiful

Message

Charles Li and Roller the Roller, we could have been great allies. I'm sorry things had to end this way

Another Thing: Ramesses only voted for one kill. This is important because it could concievably change things depending on how Charles votes. unlikely but not impossible :please:

Standings Update: Round 6. Edit these standings for the result of your vote in this post.

Spoiler :

Still to vote this round. Remove your name when you vote.
Charles Li
Eliminated last round and still to vote.Remove your name when you vote.

Terrance888 · Feb 8, 2009

Charles Li of the Chin Empire

Attacks
CCRunner the liar

Assists
Roller

Message

I will never backstab! I offered you friendship into OUR alliance you you gals refused. Close one, but you die.

Roller, friends until there are no more to kill.

Sciguy, will respect your Cease fire.
Standings Update: Round 6. Edit these standings for the result of your vote in this post.

Spoiler :

Still to vote this round. Remove your name when you vote.
Charles Li
Eliminated last round and still to vote.Remove your name when you vote.[/QUOTE]

Roller123 · Feb 8, 2009

(assuming Charles Li attacked Sciguy with a second attack)

End of Round 6 Results

Charles Li (Empire of the Chins)
2 Attacked
1 Assisted

Roller the Roller (unknown)
3 Attacked
1 Assisted

sciguy (Ultimate Canadian Resurgence Operation)
1 Attacked
1 Assisted

CCRunner (Imperial Empire of South Western Tajikistan)
4 Attacked
1 Assisted

PieceOfMind the Ruthless (Anti Freedom Militia)
1 Attacked
2 Assisted

Annihilated. These players can make up to 2 attack votes and up to 1 assist vote in the next round for their last attempt at revenge!
CCRunner

Round 7 Begins!

Would the first voter please remember to reset all player votes to 0, the current round number in the standings, and the "Still to vote this round" and "Eliminated last round and still to vote" lists. Thank you!

Roller123 · Feb 8, 2009

Roller the Roller

Attacks
Sciguy
PieceOfMind

Assists
Charles Li

Message
So it came down to the ultimate clashdown. The good guys vs .. well actually vs the good guys too. Time will show who is more good thought Roller, walking down the hallway to the communication room to relay following message to CCRunner:

CCRunner, we could have been great allies thats true, but if you are sorry, why are you attacking us. Need i point out who started raining death on your lands ( The PoM/Sg alliance), who negotiated the worldwide ceasefire, to finish you off( The PoM/Sg alliance ), who destroyed your potential ally PureE, wanting to join you ( The PoM/Sg alliance ) and which alliance did not attack you with full power two rounds ago, and gave you both a real chance to survive, which unfortunately you didn't use. You are played my friend! by dark powers and trickery of the evil PoM/Sg alliance! Think again before its too late and make the right choice. Additionally i must add that Charles Li was offered the chance to backastab, me, but refused. This is a complete opposite of being a backstabber. I beg you, cast a spell of Dispel Magic immediately and let us punish the truly evil creatures of this universe together.

The evil guys: Sciguy or PieceOfMind.

Standings Update: Round 7. Edit these standings for the result of your vote in this post.

Spoiler :

Still to vote this round. Remove your name when you vote.
Charles Li
Sciguy
PieceOfMind

Eliminated last round and still to vote.Remove your name when you vote.
CCRunner

Sciguy001 · Feb 8, 2009

Sciguy the Honorable

Attacks
Roller the Barbaric
Charles Li the Backstaber

Assists
Piece of Mind the Honorable

Message
CCRunner: It seems that the fate of the mortal world depends on your vote. I know that the desciosion is entirly up to you and we did do some not nice things to you in the past, but I want you to consider this in your vote: We attacked you because you and Egypt were our sworn ememies from near the beggining. Did we, like Charles Li, invite you into our aliance just to backstab you? No, but Charlse Li did. We attacked you in an honorable way unlike the shrewd barbaric tactics of the Charles Li/Roller alliance. I guess Roller didn't do much, but you should use your hand to strike down the traitors that call themself China!

And Piece of Mind, we will fight with you to the end of time with this assist. Long live the Militia/Canada allliance!

Standings Update: Round 7. Edit these standings for the result of your vote in this post.

Spoiler :

Still to vote this round. Remove your name when you vote.
Charles Li
PieceOfMind

Eliminated last round and still to vote.Remove your name when you vote.
CCRunner[/QUOTE]

Terrance888 · Feb 8, 2009

Ooc: I Invited Them Into My Alliance. Not Me Into Theirs You Son Of A Bite!

Roller123 · Feb 8, 2009

Charles Li has one more assist, i wasnt fast enought to edit it in before Sciguy001 posted.

CCRunner · Feb 8, 2009

CCRunner

Attacks
Sciguy
Piece of Mind

Assists
Roller the Roller

Message
I will vote with Roller in memory of what could have been.

Roller, I've added your assist as well

Standings Update: Round 7. Edit these standings for the result of your vote in this post.

Spoiler :

Still to vote this round. Remove your name when you vote.
Charles Li
PieceOfMind

Eliminated last round and still to vote.Remove your name when you vote.

Sciguy001 · Feb 8, 2009

Charles Li said:
Ooc: I Invited Them Into My Alliance. Not Me Into Theirs You Son Of A Bite!

Hey, I just wanted to make my message sound convincing. Nothing personal.

PieceOfMind · Feb 8, 2009

Charles Li said:
Ooc: I Invited Them Into My Alliance. Not Me Into Theirs You Son Of A Bite!

Charles Li, speaking of anything related to the diplomatic situation in the game outside of your vote is not allowed. If you wanted to point out Sciguy was wrong you should do it in your message. Attaching "out of character" to your post is not good enough.

Out of character you should not be saying anything personal at all anyway.

A reminder to everyone that if 10 players start the game, the odds are heavily stacked against everyone and you have to expect to be eliminated at some point so it's best to not take it too seriously/personally. The winner will probably need a huge chunk of luck in his favour.

PieceOfMind · Feb 8, 2009

PieceOfMind the Ruthless

Attacks
Roller the Roller

Assists
Sciguy

Message
I am surprised at the way Roller the Roller the great and previously honorable leader has decided to now describe our alliance as evil. With the option of attacking only 1 nation this round, he chose to attack the Anti Freedom Militia as well as his normal enemy in the UCRO. Since this attack was unprovoked an unexplained, an attack will be cast back with equal (if not greater) magnitude. Apart from the terrible terrible clowns we have only attacked nations when provoked and describing our people as evil as a justification for war is dangerously cunning.

I refuse to attack the Chin Empire after they have never attacked us and in the past have only assisted us. I trust they will not attack our great nation at the first opportunity that arises. I wonder if the Chin Empire will notice the cunning of Roller the Roller.

I will give my explicit assistance to SgiGuy for his continued loyalty and for respecting our great cause!

Standings Update: Round 7. Edit these standings for the result of your vote in this post.

Spoiler :

Still to vote this round. Remove your name when you vote.
Charles Li

Eliminated last round and still to vote.Remove your name when you vote.

Roller123 · Feb 9, 2009

And we have a double kill!

(Added: the technical reason for attacking 2 ppl i can write in the rules thread after the game end)

PieceOfMind · Feb 9, 2009

Roller123 said:
And we have a double kill!

(Added: the technical reason for attacking 2 ppl i can write in the rules thread after the game end)

Roller, Charles Li is still to vote, so it would be nice if you didn't yet make assumptions about how the round will end. There is not a double kill so far.

PieceOfMind · Feb 9, 2009

There is a small problem here, and it may be what Roller was alluding to. At the moment, since by the rules it is technically allowed for Charles Li to submit 0 attacks and 0 assists, he can win the game by casting a completely empty vote, letting the 3 others be eliminated by each other.

If he wishes to not end the game here, he will perhaps accept the rule change that when there are four players alive, a minimum of 1 attack must be used.

In other words, you must submit 1 or 2 attacks and 0 or 1 assists. This would mean he still has the option of killing 1 or 2 players, but he would not have the option to win right now. Charles do you consider this a fair change to the rules?

An alternative to having a rule change at this point in the game, is for me to change my vote by attacking Charles Li as well, so we would not arrive at this strange situation (I didn't anticipate at the time of my vote). I would be happy to do that as well if other people agree.

Roller123 · Feb 9, 2009

Yes well, the later rounds it seems are very vulnerable to multiple cases of stalls and total eliminations. Its just too easy to kill multiple people. Next round will be worse.

PieceOfMind · Feb 9, 2009

I could make the rule that you must attack more people than you assist. So you can do 2 attacks 1 assist or 1 attack and 0 assists. That would prevent game stalls at least.

I'm having trouble thinking what a good rule here would be.

Roller123 · Feb 9, 2009

A additional rule should... make ties less possible. For example, in case of such a tie, by additionally calculating assists from the whole game. Easy to calculate due to minor number of survivors and superior formatting thanks to some people. Would make long term diplomacy better too, i guess.

So far we have over 6 rounds.
Charles Li 5 assists
Roller 3 assists
PieceOfMind 7 assists
Sciguy 6 assists

All different numbers. So if Charles Li would do nothing, i would be kicked out. And if he makes a full double attack at.. not me, Sciguy is out. :evilgrin:

this could be a benefit to often dogpiled people too, kind of a reward, and encourage more aggressive play, usually leading to dogpiling, which leads to this reward, even if its minor.

PieceOfMind · Feb 9, 2009

Rather than counting up the assists, I'd prefer to count up the attacks against the player, just as we do for a tie in the final round.

When two players tie the one who has been attacked most (ignoring assists) will survive. Having the player with the most attacks get the advanatage is meant to reflect that they have been more resilient in warfare. If still tieing, perhaps give the benefit to the one with most assists. Then finally if still tieing just eliminate the lot (this would be very very unlikely I guess).

PieceOfMind · Feb 9, 2009

So the tally so far:

Name - (attacks): (assists)
Sciguy - 11:8
PieceOfMind - 9:8
Roller123 - 11:4
Charlies Li - 6:5

So if the three of piece, roller and sci were to tie Piece would be the one eliminated. This rule would be ok IMO but we would need to keep the total tally from round to round as we went preferably.

Another problem I see is that at the end of a round two allies, if they are safe from fire, could attack each other just to boost the attacks against them.

Roller123 · Feb 9, 2009

Yeah whatever i dont think it matters much(edited: replied to the previous previous post). I forgot round 3 btw

Cl 0/0 2/1 0/0 1/1 1/2 2/1 = 6atk/5ast
R 0/0 1/1 4/1 0/0 3/1 3/1 = 11atk/4ast
Sg 1/2 2/0 2/2 4/2 1/1 1/1 = 11atk/8ast
PoM 2/2 0/1 2/1 2/1 2/1 1/2 = 9atk/8ast

interesting statistic tbh. Sciguy and me are hated. (oh my i cant count)

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Another problem I see is that at the end of a round two allies, if they are safe from fire, could attack each other just to boost the attacks against them.

Tbh i dont think it matters much, the main issue is to prevent a draw. The outcome is still decided by the voter, and since it is not anymore possible(or highly improbable) to kill both, if a voter would want to specifically kick out somebody, he will simply not attack another. So it is not important how high the Atk rating is, but the not-equality to other atk values. Or something like that.

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