chiefpaco
Emperor
Still waiting for my "ratifying COS and COL for dummies" book to arrive. Shouldn't the citizens vote first?
discussion: only run for 1 position?
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Shaitan
der Besucher
Nope. Not for COS changes. Those are Council decisions.
chiefpaco
Emperor
I thought something had to go into the COL first. How can the government yield so much power? Especially with the 2 votes the citizens used to get with the Councilmembers gone.
Octavian X
is not a pipe.
The CoS is not allowed to conflict with the CoL. For the council to pass a change in the CoS, the citizens would have to approve a CoL change, so the CoL would not conflict. At least, that's how I understand it...
Shaitan
der Besucher
Octavian nailed it. The Council cannot pass a Standard that conflicts with any Constitutional Article or any part of the Code of Laws. The citizens (as the Congress) control the COL and (along with the Senators) the Constitution.
Eklektikos
Eponymous
So anyway, do we have a sponsor for this poll yet? This current election contains an alarmingly low number of actual elections, and for the record I just sauntered uncontested into an official position for the 4th term in a row... change is obviously needed, so I'm begging a member of the executive to step up!
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Ack
. He is already kicking my arse 
. Cant there be something like for "Big Name" people, they can only run for two terms in one Leader possition per Demogame. (One can serve as Military Leader for 2 terms and choeses eather to run for president or Science leader for example.) That way all of us the average joe would have a equal chance of running for an leader office and not get our arses beaten. If tearm limits are not possible then can we bring back the "run for 2 offices". Especaly with the "Big Names" running. This would be a great idea.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
Quoting Eklektikos:
So anyway, do we have a sponsor for this poll yet? This current election contains an alarmingly low number of actual elections, and for the record I just sauntered uncontested into an official position for the 4th term in a row... change is obviously needed, so I'm begging a member of the executive to step up!
No need to beg, Eklektikos. I'll sponsor the council vote on August 1st. Changing election procures in the middle of an election period is...well, we won't go there. Basically what this standard change will allow is an insufficient number of candidates (who can't fill all the positions now) to run for more positions. Same with the COL and COS changes for the Deputy Governor. What, are you going to allow some of our new Apolytonia friends to be Deputy Governors by means of the SETI? Before we all start running around on Wednesday, bumping into each other because the election rules were changed mid-election, we should stop and fully work this out.
Of course one of the other Leaders could do it.
So anyway, do we have a sponsor for this poll yet? This current election contains an alarmingly low number of actual elections, and for the record I just sauntered uncontested into an official position for the 4th term in a row... change is obviously needed, so I'm begging a member of the executive to step up!
No need to beg, Eklektikos. I'll sponsor the council vote on August 1st. Changing election procures in the middle of an election period is...well, we won't go there. Basically what this standard change will allow is an insufficient number of candidates (who can't fill all the positions now) to run for more positions. Same with the COL and COS changes for the Deputy Governor. What, are you going to allow some of our new Apolytonia friends to be Deputy Governors by means of the SETI? Before we all start running around on Wednesday, bumping into each other because the election rules were changed mid-election, we should stop and fully work this out.
Of course one of the other Leaders could do it.
Eklektikos
Eponymous
Cyc:
Heh, that was basically just a bump - drama queen style.
As to the insufficiency of this proposal, I do essentially agree with you. However since I do support the idea of allowing citizens to run for a couple of positions per election I don't see that enacting it will do any harm, and might at least make elections a wee bit more interesting.
I'd also like to point out that unless you changed your mind about retiring from Phoenatican politics for a second time without my noticing, you won't have the authority to sponsor this vote on aug 1st since you won't be in the council anymore.
Heh, that was basically just a bump - drama queen style.
As to the insufficiency of this proposal, I do essentially agree with you. However since I do support the idea of allowing citizens to run for a couple of positions per election I don't see that enacting it will do any harm, and might at least make elections a wee bit more interesting.
I'd also like to point out that unless you changed your mind about retiring from Phoenatican politics for a second time without my noticing, you won't have the authority to sponsor this vote on aug 1st since you won't be in the council anymore.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
Shoot, ya caught me... OK, then. I'll do it Wednesday evening after the Elections are final. You say the vote is ready to go so basicaaly my part can be covered with some cut and paste?
Eklektikos
Eponymous
Yep, I'll just give you the link to the relevant post again
disorganizer
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We should also discuss splitting the elections:
15th of month: governors
end of month: offices+presidential election
maybe we could even have election every 10 days and really concentrate on the candidates:
10th: governors
20th: offices
30th: president and judical branch
15th of month: governors
end of month: offices+presidential election
maybe we could even have election every 10 days and really concentrate on the candidates:
10th: governors
20th: offices
30th: president and judical branch
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
I like this Suggestion better. Its less Messy that the second suggestion
.disorganizer
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i just thought maybe a seperate presidential election would give a better focus on candidates, maybe with real debattes.
but i must say the first proposal would be the better...
but i must say the first proposal would be the better...
Cyc
Looking for the door...
@ Eklektikos - It's done. I'm not real sure if it's valid, though.
Octavian X
is not a pipe.
I don't believe it is. Term five has already begun, no matter what the time zone. If you like, I'd be glad to sponser it.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
Let's wait till it's officially shut down by the Judiciary. I did already ask Zarn to put his name on it, tho. We'll see what happens.
Eklektikos
Eponymous
Since you posted it about 8 hours after the close of polls I don't think it can be considered valid as it stands. However if one of our new crop of council members would like to stick a post in the poll thread claiming their ownership of it then that ought to cover it.
donsig
Low level intermediary
If we're going to talk about splitting the election cycle (i.e., electing governors mid-month) we should kick around the idea of having provincial (gubernatorial) and local (mayoral, dogcatcher, etc.) elections. I still like the idea of governors being elected by the people of the province rather than the country as a whole.
