Do you think they should add more Civilzations in C3C?

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

Maya=Guatemala; Aztecs=Mexico.

 

[Cuivienen]

They should also seperate the North American and South American culture groups.... Mayan Cities looked nothing like Iriquois cities...

The problem is that there aren't really any more North American nations that could become civs. In fact, only the Anasazi really come close to meriting inclusion at all, and they were more like the Aztecs than the Iroquois

Personally, if culture groups are kept, I would like to see:

American (the Maya, the Inca, the Aztecs, the Iroquois, the Anasazi)
European (America, England, France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Germany, Russia, the Vikings)
Mediterranean (Rome, Carthage, Greece, Egypt, the Byzantines)
African (Songhai, Abyssinia, Dahomey, the Zulus)
Middle-Eastern (the Hebrews, the Arabs, Persia, Babylon, Sumeria, the Turks, the Hittites)
Southern Asian (India, Khmer, Thailand, Srivijaya)
Eastern Asian (China, Tibet, Japan, Korea, the Mongols)

 

[bed_head7]

That looks like a good list. Add another trait, and still only three civs with duplicate traits.

 

[S!n!st3r]

Well, Mexico is actually the Mayans (or is it the Aztecs?), so Mexico should be excluded.

Maybe we could have something like this: in some era some Civs change their names to their todays names. So Mayan would be the Mexican, Aztecs the guys from Peru/Bolivia, Osmans would be Turkish, Persia would be Iran etc.

Inca were from Peru, and Aztecs Mexico. That would be a cool idea.

 

[Nobody]

I think the reason people said "if america then canada, australia and Brazil" is cause there all former colonys so they don't count. I think america should stay because they have been pretty important. Also if where discussing new civs, i think either maori or polynesian.

 

[Chazbagel]

The problem is that there aren't really any more North American nations that could become civs. In fact, only the Anasazi really come close to meriting inclusion at all, and they were more like the Aztecs than the Iroquois

Personally, if culture groups are kept, I would like to see:

American (the Maya, the Inca, the Aztecs, the Iroquois, the Anasazi)
European (America, England, France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Germany, Russia, the Vikings)
Mediterranean (Rome, Carthage, Greece, Egypt, the Byzantines)
African (Songhai, Abyssinia, Dahomey, the Zulus)
Middle-Eastern (the Hebrews, the Arabs, Persia, Babylon, Sumeria, the Turks, the Hittites)
Southern Asian (India, Khmer, Thailand, Srivijaya)
Eastern Asian (China, Tibet, Japan, Korea, the Mongols)

Cherokee, Seminoles, Navajo, there is alot.


Civs I'd like to see added (Doesnt really matter, modders make it simple)
Austria
Cherokee
Navajo (Or some other Western North America Civ)
Ethiopia
Numidia
Thailand
Khmer
Hebrew
Songhai
Tibet
Anasazi

 

[whoknows888]

The reason America is in Civ is because its America.

 

[GeneralZed]

Maya=Guatemala; Aztecs=Mexico.

Yeah, that could be right, too.

I think the reason people said "if america then canada, australia and Brazil" is cause there all former colonys so they don't count.

That is when the civil war for independence comes in: if, for example, England starts colonizing an island between the middle and industrial ages, theres some chance of those cities on that island become America, Portugal to Brazil etc. So do conquered cities may become to their original Civ, like India -> English colony -> India.
But we could make this even more complicated, so I doubt Firaxis will get something like this on Civ 4...

 

[Darkness]

Maya=Guatemala; Aztecs=Mexico.

Most of the Mayan empire, including Chichen Itza, was actually located on the Yucatan peninsula, which is now a part of Mexico. The Mayan empire basically was located in parts of four modern time nations; Mexico, Guatemala, Belize and Honduras.

 

[Dachs]

But most people associate the Aztecs with Mexico, because they were in the region around what is now Mexico City. The Mayans were on the Yucatan, but it's mainly a question of popular association.

I'd like to see the Olmecs, Austria, Songhai/Mali, Huns, and a southeast Asian civ.

 

[The Omega]

The reason America is in Civ is because its America.

Well, taht sure has convinced me. I think that this one statement will be able to convinve all those people who think America shouldn't be a civ that they're completely wrong! The amount of supporting evidence, the elaboration, this could be published in some sorta civ magazine (There's bound to be at least one of these.....And if there's not, well, there should be.)

 

[Tomoyo]

Omega, I seriously think that his one statement had a lot of power behind it. Not kidding.

 

[The Omega]

Yeah, you're probably right, it just seemed weird.

 

[CuthaLion]

The problem is that there aren't really any more North American nations that could become civs. In fact, only the Anasazi really come close to meriting inclusion at all, and they were more like the Aztecs than the Iroquois

Personally, if culture groups are kept, I would like to see:

American (the Maya, the Inca, the Aztecs, the Iroquois, the Anasazi)
European (America, England, France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Germany, Russia, the Vikings)
Mediterranean (Rome, Carthage, Greece, Egypt, the Byzantines)
African (Songhai, Abyssinia, Dahomey, the Zulus)
Middle-Eastern (the Hebrews, the Arabs, Persia, Babylon, Sumeria, the Turks, the Hittites)
Southern Asian (India, Khmer, Thailand, Srivijaya)
Eastern Asian (China, Tibet, Japan, Korea, the Mongols)

That's an excellent list..
America must be removed because its not a historical civilization, it's just a country. And so Ottomans are. They must be renamed as Turks.
And I wonder why Jews are not included?

 

[MeteorPunch]

If you want to take America out of the game then take Germany out too because neither have had an effect on world history .

Also, I don't consider civs to be races, but culture groups. Although the U.S. is definitely an odd bird.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Omega, I seriously think that his one statement had a lot of power behind it. Not kidding.

That is as sadly scary as it is true, Tomoyo. As for Doc

Canada, Mexico, Australia, and Brazil?

Why?
Mexico=Aztecs. Brazil, ok, maybe - but there are 20+ Civs that deserve to be included before.
Canada and Australia must be a joke I don't get.

Canada, Brasil and Australia are on a very equal state of being as america, historically: colonies who became a country of their own. Actually, the only reason america is there over the former is because it is America and a lot of americans would look over civ3 if america didn't have their own name in it.

 

[Dachs]

If you want to take America out of the game then take Germany out too because neither have had an effect on world history . (...)

Arminius and his allied Germanic tribes destroyed three Roman legions in 9 AD in the Teutoburg Forest, thereby ending northern Roman expansion. German tribes under Odoacer took over Rome in 476 AD. The Holy Roman Empire was based in Germany, and the Protestant Reformation was started there. That's not even including the World Wars, the Cold War (which would be mainly fought on German soil if it turned hot), or the earlier Seven Years' War and Franco-Prussian Wars. The deaths of millions of people from those wars alone changed the course of world history, not including the limits on power that were set for Rome, France, Catholicism, and communism. The late unification as one country with one foreign policy, army, and government does not mean that the German-speaking peoples have had an effect on world history. Germany has as much of a right to be in Civilization games as any other civilization.

 

[MeteorPunch]

I'm not really considering *length of existence* as a huge factor. Many people groups have been around for centuries. America has had a huge effect on culture,military,science,etc,etc in the *short* span of it's existence.

 

[Clueless]

Why did they remove the Sioux?

I know they replaced them with the Iroquois, by why remove them at all?

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

Canada, Brasil and Australia are on a very equal state of being as america, historically: colonies who became a country of their own. Actually, the only reason america is there over the former is because it is America and a lot of americans would look over civ3 if america didn't have their own name in it.

Well, and the fact the US (and Brazil) have about 20 times as many inhabitants surely doesn't matter at all...
I for one have no problems with America being in the game - they did have a huge impact on world history since about 200 years. In fact, the only Civ I do have a problem with are the Zulus, since they simply do not qualify as Civ in my eyes.
But I also have no problems with Canada and Australia and New Zealand - if only some 100 Civs which are of more historical or present importance are included first.