DocT4-How to Rise as a Ruler (RaR Training SG)

denyd said:
Are there any resources/luxuries that we should be on the look out for that we don't already have access to on the home island?
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I can't take a look on the game right now, so maybe someone else can answer this. At least plenty of luxuries can be acquired from elsewhere, I imagine.
denyd said:
Is there any reason to leave Spain in the game?
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In my opinion : no. The only problem may be war weariness if we continue current war.
denyd said:
It seems like the Persians would be the next target (backward tech, isolated). Which ships would be the best for the hauling a small invasion force safely to their island?
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We're now getting tech/turn -> most of larger troop hauling ships will soon be available. We already have the junk, which sails safely in the ocean.
 
Yes, Spain should be conquered completly.They have some nice ressources round and a lot of land which is likely to contain many of the future ressources. WW will rise and become a problem at some point (but I'm sure the war will be over and won before the point is reached our government is overthrown), but remember there is always the lux slider (which importance in RaR can be only underlined double), we have enough cash thanks democracy and we are religious, so a quick switch to a now WW-government in case there is going somthing seriously wrong wouldn't be a too big loss .
 
I forgot way back when, but I did sign up for this... and left. Keep me off the player list still, I need to work from scratch again. But good luck guys n keep beating RnR's a$$.
 
Sorry this took so long, fell asleep in a tree and caught a fever.

turn log

Turn 0 (650)
Looking at Lhasa the only way we could eke out any more growth is by irrigating the Hill tiles giving an extra 4 gold and 1 sheild in golden age.
Zaragoza >>switched to Bombard (no barracks)
Golmud Junk switche to temple (1 turn)
lhari : hal switched to temple
Rutog set to forge (9)
Pamplona set to forge
Oma set to port
Bamba set to harbor and rush it
Vitoria set to monument

Turn 1 (660)

Physics comes in set to printing press (1 turn), goal of free artistry and opera houses.

Iekundo: Hal>> Cuirassier(5)
Golmud:temple>>Guildhall (10)
Lhari:temple>> Cuirassier (12)
Oma: Port>> Major port
Bamda: Harbor>>Labourer

Our western Junk defeats both barbs and arrives on the arabian coast.
Position troops for an attack on Murcia
Annoyed at that spanish elite royal guard running around, move halbarier onto a hill to bait him.

Build Embassy in Washington and London. Washington screenshot at the bottom (havent yet worked out how to insert stuff to middle of the posts) forgot to take one of London - its primarly a fishing village, they have gold,iron,horses and inscense and are 7 turns away form Shrangli La.

IBT

Halbarder brings Royal Guard down to 1 hp

Turn 2 (670)

Printing Press comes in go for Humanism in 2 at 50% science (+175gpt)

Rome: Toll House>>Academy(5)
Chmado: Wind Mill>>Temple(2)

Contact Arabs - still In the Ancient age! (by Classical education) and dirt poor. Buy their world map and 11 gp for classical education. Their Island is not a nice place to live.
Send the Junk round the east of their Isle then will cross to celtic terriortry
Clear out barb camp on western wines

Take Murcia, Lose a Cavalier in the process
Take out Royal Guard near Baracelona

IBT

Spanish ask for peace :)

Turn 3 (680)

Gartokh: Windmill>>Temple(2)
Leh: Windmill>>Temple(1)
Starve Down Murcia
Cumae: Turtle Ship>>Temple(4)
Pompeii: Turtle ship>> Temple (4)
Pamplona: Forge>> Monument
Oma: Major Port>>Temple(2)

Contact India: poor in the Early middle ages (have Fuedalism)

IBT

Barb in the west
Spanish Crossbow in the mountains in the North

Turn 4 (690)

Humanism comes in, aim for Free Artistry

Lhasa: Ankor Wat>>Guild Hall (4)
Leh: Temple>>Cuirassier(3)
Zaragoza: Bombard>>Hardy Colonist (for the relocation)
Chamdo: Temple>>Monumnet (2)
Cohze: Hardy Colonist (in a GA? must have missed it)>>Temple(3)
Vitoria: Monument>>Forge

Found Barga on the southern tip >>Harbor (10)

IBT

Barb dies on our Cavalier

Turn 5 (700)

Gartokh: Temple>>Water Mill(4)
Kumbum: Windmill>>Temple(2)
Oma: Temple>>Academy(2)

Pillage Spains Horses

Hurry Curisser in lhari for 414gp to take care of crossbow. later realise their is a elephant in nymina oh well

IBT
Celts build voyage of discovery


Turn 6 (710)

Free Artistry Comes in go for Magnetism (1 turn at -40gpt)

Chamdo: Monument>>Theater (6)
Iekundo: Cuirassier>>Cuirassier(5)
Barkhal: Wind Mill>>Temple
Lhari: Curissier>>Windmill (9)
Gerze: Windmill>>Cuirassier (7)
Pamplona: Monumnet>>Academy (5)
Gomo: Forge>>Academy(7)



Meet the Russians. They are just out of the Dark ages (literally) and poor.

IBT

Celtic Gally sails past our Junk near Arabia - Hopefully have contact

Turn 7 (720)

Magnetism >> Merchentilism (2 turns at 50%)

Rome: Academy>>Theater (13)
Sikkam: Copernicus observatory>>Shakespears theater(14)
Leh: Cuirassier>>Cuirassier (3)
Kumbum: Temple>>Theater
Murcia: Monument>>Academy (20)
Cozhe: Temple>>Windmill(7)
Cumae: Temple>>Basilica(5)
Pompeii: Temple>>Basilica(5)
Oma: Academy>>Basilica(3)
Toba: Forge>>Harbor (5)

Found Zanda on south tip starts on harbor (8turns)

Take Seville (defended by one spear :) )

IBT

Spanish elephant kills a Samuri I foolish left in the opne near Barcelona
English build Shangri La

Turn 8 (730)

Lhasa: Guild Hall>>Basilica (1)
Barkhal: Temple>>Basilica (3)
Nymina: Library?>>Harbor(5)

Final catch that celtic galley. Brennis is Poor and stupid as well. His world map reveals his Island is quite small. I can see green borders between His Island and Persia

IBT

Spanish Galley Sighted off Nyina. Spanish Imperial Guard heading for Barcelona

Turn 9 (740)

Mercantilism>>Economics (2)
Lhasa: Basilica>>Marketplace (we need some banks)
Gartokh: Water Mill>>Town Clock (4)
Gerze: Cuirasser>>Cuirassier
Rutog: Forge>>Harbor
Bamda: Laborer>>Port (20)


Contact koreans. Woo! they have money - 2590
I proceed with Operation "Get all the money" The dark green island should be Isolated and poor.

America. Literature, Heraldry, Astronomy, Engineering for world map and 2600gp
Same deal to korea for 1300gp
Chivalry and Education to america for horse breeding 1080 gold and 20gpt
Chivalry education, Guilds,gunpowder and navigation to korea will net us 1290 gp 106 gpt(all) and dyes so I go for it.
Get 40gp 6gpt and coffee off the celts for literature and crop roation
Grab some loose change (145gp) off persia for Barding

Now have 8412 gp and 322gpt

Level 1 War wearyness has kicked in so can't lower lux without the big cities rioting.

Capture Barcelona with no losses.
Rush a Cuirassier in Lhari to shadow the spanish Galley

IBT

Spanish Horse archer kills a wounded Cavlier at Barcelona
Spanish Galley contines around Cumae.

Turn 10 (750)

Alot of WLTK days kick in.

Lhari: Cuirassier>>Windmill (8)
Oma: Basilica>>Monumnet(1)

Kill the Spanish Horse archer

Take madrid losing One Samuri. yey :)

The spainish should are rolling over and dying - expect 2 spears per city :)

I'll leave it up to the next player to rush loads of stuff.
 
Looks like DocT gets to but Isabella to bed, after that, then what?

We could take a brief respite from :hammer: to settle the rest of the island and get the infrastructure up to snuff or load up a couple of turtle ships and pick on the Persians. With us being in the golden age infrastructure (particularly production boosters) would be my choice.

What would the preferred research paths be in each case? Is there a resource that we don't have that we need to target acquiring? What's the dominating offensive unit of the era? Are there any AI UU's that we might want to avoid?
 
denyd said:
We could take a brief respite from :hammer: to settle the rest of the island and get the infrastructure up to snuff or load up a couple of turtle ships and pick on the Persians. With us being in the golden age infrastructure (particularly production boosters) would be my choice.
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Let's remember that we aim for cultural victory -> use the golden age to rush as much cultural buildings as possible. I understood from last turn log by Disenfrancised that we have nice pile of gold and steady income. Rush culture while finishing off Spain!
 
The roster:

DocT - UP!
Denyd - On deck
Pfeffersack
Knappagh1 - disappeared?
Tinkez
Disenfrancised - just played
 
First, the Save

Took some time...holidays.

Denyd:
I would normally use the GA to heavily focus on production boosters. That’s why I prefer Civs with an early MA UU, the very best time for a GA in RaR. However, sometimes you have to do something different; in DocT5 we needed units to survive, here we need culture. That especially means Theatres, or anything else with more than 1cpt that has a chnce to double in time. Opera Houses are too expensive for my taste, that’s more for 25k city culture.
Resources:
We should have everything. We have some Desert, and lots of Jungle and Tundra, so Oil and Rubber are likely. If you do not own any Jungle, it would be a good idea to get hold of some before Rubber is needed.

Tibet, 750AD

Looks really good. We obviously want more cities for a cultural victory, and I see no reason to not go against Persia once Spain is finished.
Unless we don’t want to do all research by ourselves, we should help Russia, and don’t bankrupt Korea; everyone else is worthless except as Luxury supplier.

Minor comments:
*Stay away from School of Scribes (except in the Science centres). They do not give culture.
*Ouch, ‘Emphasize Production’/’Capital is default’ isn’t turned on. Since I do not fear any flips from Spain, I hand over the resisting cities to the Governor to control mood.
*We have quite a lot cities not in WltKD (Rome for example). This causes quite a lot of waste; Rome is at 5/13 wasted shields. Better hire a Specialist in this case, or switch to a Happiness producer (Basilika here).
*We have not a single SCI improvement in our FP city; an oversight. Switch to Forbidden Gardens first (in 3).
*Since both Sikkhim and Lhasa aren’t done with culture/science improvements, I switch both to Universities; Sikkhim still lacks production boosters, and cannot really grow; so I think Shakespeare’s won’t help much, the city can easily produce more culture buildings within that time.
*In general, we’re researching too fast :lol:, we cannot keep pace with buildings. For example, we cannot put any city on Smith’s right now.

Short-rush some culture; we have quite a lot cities at 20spt; so I rush the needed shields for a Cavalier (80), and switch to Theatres (100).
We can trade for 3 more Luxuries, and I do that (in C3C, there is no upper limit of effective Luxes). Since we have Magnetism, we don’t have to worry about braking trade routes.
They most interesting thing is that the Celts did pick up the culture race; they are at 2289, with us at 5385 (noone else is above 1.5k)

Enter.
IBT:
Eco->Metallurgy (I want Leadership, especially Colonial Marines)
Abandon Zaragossa.
Many many builds finish.
Indians complete the Temple of Zeus.

Turn 1: 760AD
Kill a few Spanish units, including a Settler combo :crazyeye:.
IBT:
Metallurgy->Leadership

Turn 2: 770AD
Capture Valencia. Found Zayu (Zaragossa replacement).
WW goes up again.
Burn a lot of cash.
IBT:
The Spanish Galley we’re shadowing drops off a Settler combo next to 2 of our units clearing the Barb camp in the W of our continent.

Turn 3: 780AD
Capture Santiago. Slay the Settler combo.
IBT:
Leadership->Flintlock.

Turn 4: 790AD
We contact Japan (the missing green Civ). They don’t even have Dynasticism…but a nice junk of gold. We take it, and a WM. Hm, that’s odd; their island isn’t bad, no clue why Toku does so bad. They have 7 cities, and room for one more. Get Wool from them as well.

We capture Toledo.

Turn 5: 800AD
No cash left…
IBT:
Spanish Inquisition attacks :D – but cannot take off a single HP from a Gurkha in Valencia (that’s where Gurkhas shine; fast units cannot retreat from them).
America completes Sun Tzu’s (already obsolete for us).

Turn 6: 810AD
Capture Santander. Raze Valladolid (ugly placed, one of the coast in the mountains). Capture Palma, Spain down to 3 towns.
IBT:
Flintlock->Cav Tactics

Turn 7: 820AD
Capture Asturias.
Turn down research, nothing we need ASAP, better get some more cash.

Turn 8: 830AD
Turn 9: 840AD

IBT: We get the National Library notification.

Turn 10: 850AD
Found Jomda as foothold on the Persian island, and what’s the suggestion to build there? Roal Tournament :wall:. City is conveniently on a Hill and next to Tobacco.

NOTES (lots of ;) ):

Spain:
Didn’t finish them off so far, since I couldn’t devote too many cities to units.
And, I still hope for a MGL, that’s why I gathered all Elites.
Important: We have only a few units at Logrono, but plenty at Jaen. Attack Logrono first; if the Palace jumps there, city will get a defense bonus. If you happen to get a leader, International Port (Barga looks good).

Persia
No need to hurry there, we have lots of work to do on our landmass. But if you fight, prepare well; Democracy begs for Blitzkriegs. Marines, enough ships for Transport and Bombardment, etc. All units outside the cities on our Southern land tip wait to be shipped over. Found another city 3 W of Jomda, with access to the Whales.

Some cities deserve special mentioning:
*Leh. FP city, was at size 8 and cannot grow; irrigate/chop enough there.
*Santiago. Insane city spot, build the Summer Palace there; but rush enough boosters and happiness to get that thing up in a reasonable time.
*Gartokh. Needs a few more culture/commerce improvements, then build the MilAc there, and keep the city on Armies for the rest of the game.
*Sikkhim. Smith’s is due in currently 9; get the National Library there next.
*Gomo. Irrigate form here down to the coastal cities.
*Settler near Sikkhim: Found on that spot 1 SE of the Barb camp near Jaen.

Culture:
Keep rushing everywhere. Don’t think the game will last for much more than 1000 years, so better get Library+Academy everywhere, instead of too many Theatres/Artist Guilds. Ports/Major Ports are great, both cost no maintenance with Smith’s.

Techs:
We have everything we need, don’t hurry.
Important: Avoid Juris Prudence as long as possible, Chichen Itza will go obsolete.
 
I got it - Nice work Doc - I won't be able to play tonight, but should have no problems getting it done tomorrow.

I'll take a look at your notes and post any questions I might have before starting.
 
FYI:

I'm out of online access starting tomorrow until Sunday the 2nd of January. If my turn comes up, skip me.
 
I spent a couple of hours just reviewing cities for builds and citizen placement and reading the civilopedia. Will be playing tonight.
 
Turn Log 4

Turn 0 – 850 AD – Spend about 500g hurrying forges & ports – Wake interior defenders and send to coastal cities – Board a settler/ghurka bound for Persian lands – Pay a visit to the other leaders and find nothing available to deal for (tobacco from Persia maybe soon) – Increase science by 10% to cut 2 turns off cavalry (costs 100g)

IBT: Seville forge->philosophers school – Zayu port->p-school – Murcia forge->-p-school – Cozhe granary->p-school – Golmud Wiseman->windmill – Cumae academy->p-school – Barnda forge->p-school – Vitoria port->p-school – Toba port->p-school – Jomda harbor->library – America builds Knights Templar

Turn 1 – 860 AD – Assault on Logorno: Cuirassier (5/6) kills E-Spear – Cavilier (1/5) kills E-Spear and captures Logrono starts a monument – Assault on Jaen: Elite Cuirassier (5/8) kills E-Spear – Elite Cuirassier (3/8) kills E-Spear and Jaen is captured and Spain is destroyed – Jaen starts monument – Rush a couple more items – Lots of worker actions – Will send the offensive units to Barga to prepare to transport to Persia

IBT: Lhasa theater->monument – Madrid academy->p-school – Rome granary->p-school – Barcelona granary->monument – Gartokh town clock->p-school – Leh university->town clock – Chamdo aqueduct->toll house – Santiago forge->monument – Gerze temple->p-school – Oma granary->p-school – Santander forge->monument – Gomo wiseman->p-school

Turn 2 – 870 AD – Lots of worker actions – Settler & escort disembark – Troops heading S – Upgrade a couple of units to muskets – Hurry couple of forge & aqueducts – no trades available yet

IBT: Lhasa monument->Shakespeare’s Theater – Gartokh p-school->university – Toledo forge->p-school – Kimbum aqueduct->university – Santiago monument->water mill – Cozhe p-school-town clock – Valencia granary->monument – Barkhal aqueduct->p-school – Lhan aqueduct->monument – Pamplona wind mill->p-school – Asturias forge->monument – Palma forge->monument – Barga granary->monument

Turn 3 – 880 AD – Settler founds Namco starts monument – More chopping & irrigation – Trade spices to Korea for WM + 77g – spend the rest of the treasury hurrying culture

IBT: Our golden age has ended – Discover Cavalry Tactics research Newtonian Synthesis at 10% - Madrid p-school->monument – Rome p-school-> wind mill – Zayu p-school->monument – Murcia p-school->library – Pompeii major port->monument – Vitoria p-school->library – Gomo p-school->temple

890 AD – Turn 4 – Kill the BV in the N and capture a slave – Let cash build up this turn, so no rushes

IBT: Madrid monument->p-school – Leh town clock->theater – Chamdo toll house->town clock – Gerze p-school->water mill – Oma p-school->toll house –

900 AD – Turn 5 – Begin loading turtle ship for Persia – Cuirassier kill Bantu Raider threatening Jomda – Lots of irrigation for Leh – Smith’s due in 7 (GA end extended build)

IBT: Madrid monument->library – Iekundo guild hall->p-school – Golmud wind mill->p-school – Cumar p-school->library – Valencia monument->p-school – Pompeii monument->p-school – Barkhal p-school->library – Lhan monument->p-school – Nyima forge->p-school – Toba p-school->library – Asturias monument->p-school – Jaen monument->forge – Barga monument->p-school – Trade wine + sugar + tropical fruit + tea to Korea for Architecture + WM + 60g

Turn 6 – 910 AD – Just lots of chopping, irrigation and unit movement

IBT: Zayu monument->temple – Rutog academy->p-school – Oma toll house->town clock – Zanda port->p-school

Turn 7 – 920 AD – More of the same with more culture rushing

IBT: Discover Newtonian Synthesis research Perspective at 10% (due in 7) – Barcelona p-school->library – Gartokh university->Military Academy – Leh theater->Gutenberg’s Bible – Ieukundo p-school->town clock – Santiago water mill->Summer Palace – Murcia library->temple – Valencia p-school->library – Pamplona p-school->library – Santander monument->temple – Gomo temple->town clock – Logrono monument->forge – Jomda laborer->monument

Turn 8 – 930 AD – First boat sails for Persia – units move, workers work

IBT: Golmud p-school->town clock – Pompeii p-school->library – Barkhal library->town clock – Lhari p-school->town clock – Bamda p-school->library – Toba library->temple – Palma monument->academy – Barga p-school->library

Turn 9 – 940 AD – Trade Printing Press to Korea for Dyes + WM + 240g – Trade Spices + Tea + Wine + Sugar to Celts for Coffee – First boatload of troops dropped in Persia

IBT: Barcelona library->academy – Zayu temple->academy – Murcia temple->water mill – Cozhe town clock->monument – Gerze water mill->basilica

Turn 10 – 850 AD – Furs deal with Celts end (camels & tropical fruit will get them back) – Gems deal with Arabs end (spices, tea & wine will get them back) – Load up boat load of cuirassiers for Persia – Mainly troop movements & worker actions

Once Spain was gone my turn-set was focused on cultural improvements then productivity additions. My focus on military was to relocate the offensive troops to Persia and to assign most of the central troops to coastal garrisons. I did not rush any improvements on my final turn (left that for who’s next as well as a pair of luxury deals).
 
Assuming that Knappagh1 has dropped out of this game (he has missed action the last two times he was up and we haven't heard anything of him!), it is my turn now.Got it.
 
My reasoning for Shakespeare was the 8 cpt it provides.

I've got a couple of colonial marines on garrison duty. We should replace them with muskets.
 
Sorry for the delay, I planned to play may turns yesterday evening, but don't found time.

While starting now, I wondered what to with Shakespears.I agree, it is not the best choice to build, (and especially not in Sikkim, although I think this city has growth potential later, too), but on the other hand I hate wasting accumulated shields by switching to a too cheap new project.Some suggestions what we could do (if we want to avoid overspend at all...):

- leaving Shakes for two more turns, then switch over to Sistine Chapel (ok, it brings even half the culture for beeing only 20% less expensive, but if we plan to build cathedrals everywhere -which are halfpriced since we are religious- we would get +6 happiness per cathedral)
- switching to Opera House (4t) (the fastest finish, but I don't think an OH is worth)
- switching to Enceclopedie as prebuild, to wait for a tech which brings us a wonder which is really worth to build...(we would have 24 turns to get this)
- switching production in Gartokh away from MA (cathedral 2t, for example) and setting Lhasa to MA (would take 13t to complete it).One of my prefered options, or is there a special reason why we want to have the MA in Gartokh?
 
Sikkhim? Lhasa? Where is it?


...Lhasa, I know, Smith's in Sikkhim.

Switch to some placeholder wonder, and wait for the Central Bank option. Rush Banks, when needed.

The next useful Wonder would be Gutenberg's. Sistine isn't worth it for us IMHO.
The MilAc thing: Yes, there is a reason. I prefer that one in a city with not too much commerce (not the Capital or a coastal city). This city is simply occupied with building Armies, and production boosters, no time to get commerce/ research as well.
And, Gartokh is almost done with everything available in the MA.
 
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