Does the AI seem a little over-eager to Capitulate?

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It seems to me that the AI is awefully quite to offer capitulation as an end to war. In my most recent game, three AIs have offered capitulation to me, each after losing only 2 cities each. Does anyone know what causes the AI to offer it?
 
I've noticed this too. In my last game, France was the second leading power (behind me, of course, but not too far) and even though he was involved in no wars, Louis offered to prostrate his nation as my vassal several times throughout the game. I couldn't believe it! I quickly accepted his offers each time, but it really didn't seem too realistic. Would be like Canada offering to be the United State's slaves just for the heck of it...just because we are buddies....
 
My impression is capitulation is a lot like getting free loot... if you beat the AI up slightly, they'll give in to ensure survival. But if you keep beating them up, they eventually realize that your main goal is to obliterate them from the earth, and they will fight you until the bitter end.
 
I've found just the opposite. Mongolia declared war on me. We shared a continent (me about 8 cities, him 5 plus 3 more off shore) After the initial bloddy nose, I started picking off cities one by one, yet he refused to capitulate until I took the last continental city. The 3 offshore cities were all fairly new and under size 4. That was one noble/marathon/huge.
 
They do offer Capitulize easy so the can survive

I played this crazy game I was Mongolia never Warlike though very weird i know i like Kubla Khans traits anyways 2 stories to tell

I was always getting into wars one after the other I never declared war on the AI but they wanted to kill me anyways I took over half of the Vikings they offered to Capitulize so i agreed they became my only ally so far in the game

Second Carthagans were the most technologicly advanced naton went for England they were pretty weak they then vassald with Rome who then joined the fray half way into it England Capitulized wtih Carthage screwing over Rome who now was outnumbered and now England is safe from Carthage the best military nation

So now Vikings are safe because im pretty much military now and can fight and England is safe 4ever because they will never able to break they bond becasue England is very small compared to Carthage and to declare war on Carthage now is sucidal
 
i've had the hardest time getting the AI to capitulate, and never have i had vassalage offered to me. each time where i would think such an offer would be appropriate, my military would be much higher than target civ, power score way above theirs, and once i even had the AI city completely surrounded for a few turns.

so far, no capitulation.... wish i knew what you guys are doing
 
smellymummy said:
i've had the hardest time getting the AI to capitulate, and never have i had vassalage offered to me. each time where i would think such an offer would be appropriate, my military would be much higher than target civ, power score way above theirs, and once i even had the AI city completely surrounded for a few turns.

so far, no capitulation.... wish i knew what you guys are doing
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Me too. I got one capitulation though when I was fighting Carthage. I kept looking at the diplomatic options and eventually it was white and he capitulated. The others however... different story. I get to war with Churchil, the Ottomans and the Celts. My power rating is through the roof (about 2.5 times bigger than Churchils, as he only has 2 cities). I have taken out a Celtic city and he only has 3 cities left. Neither of them want to capitulate. I have also taken out an Ottoman city (leaving 3 left too) and he wont captulate either. What is it about? Reducing half their empire or something? This is on noble/normal/large pangaea.
 
Perhaps it is not only tha fact that you capture a city or two, but also the amount of your force in enemy land that counts... at least it is my theory...
 
I have been playing on Monarch difficulty. In all situations I had a small but strong invading force. A number of promoted Infantry vs my opponent's riflemen. I definately had the stronger force, but the computer, at least initially, had the larger defensive force. The first person that offered capitulation had excellent relations with me before the war. The second person had cautious relations with me before the war and the last one hated me before the war.

I wonder if maybe after the first one, others are more likely to capitulate since your empire is effectively that much bigger?
 
I've only fully played one Warlords game, and the AI didn't seem to capitulate to quickly. I had reduced Isabella to only 1 city before she offered to capitulate (I ignored it and took out Seville anyway). On another continent, China had taken Roosevelt down to just one city early, and that led to a peace treaty! It wasn't until late in the game that China came back around and reduced Roosevelt back down to just one city, that Roosevelt capitulated.
 
In my first warlords game, when I was Ragnar, Alex capitulated early on (same continent). I then hit the next continent, where the rest of the civs were all getting on famously, and attacked Washington. He capitulated after taking three cities, and so I took on Elizabeth who capitualted after one. I was already chums with Napoleon, so decided to exploit the situation for an early diplomatic victory. It was fun seeing Washington & Liz voting for me when they pretty much hated me. Alex had already dropped out of Vassalage as I culture-flipped & razed all but one of his (tundra) cities.

In my second game, I've yet to get anyone to capitulate despite decimating Cyrus, Monty, Washington, Qin & Toku. In this game I've been more aggressive and I'm a lot more powerful than any of my rivals.
 
Currently playing as Shaka (Prince, Marathon, Large fractal).

Started at the northern end of my continent, with Alexander between me and Mansa Musa. Monty, Genghis, and Cyrus were on the other side of Mansa. Mansa was dipolmatically inept and was constantly at war with Alex, monty and Genghis. I agreed to help him fight Alex once and took 4 Greek cities before accepting peace. This was before I had discovered Feudalism.

I beelined for Feudalism, looking to renew hostilities with Alex and beat him into a vassal state. Immediately after feudalism completes, Mansa approaches and asked to be my vassal! He needed my protection from Genghis and Monty. OK.

I march my troops through Mali, take an Aztec city and sue for peace. The city is going to flip to Mali, so i give it to him. This puts him over the 505 thresholds and he abandons the vassalage agreement.

I take my army back through Mali and declare war on Greece, accepting his capitulation after reducing him to a size 3 city on a 3 tile island.

While I am doing that, Monty declares on Mansa and takes back his city. Mansa comes running back to my "protection". So, I march back though Mali and take another couple of Aztec cities, razing 2 to create a cultural buffer in which to grow the one I keep. Monty capitulates and I accept.

Once I hit grenadiers, I declare on Cyrus, take 4 coastal cities and accept his capitulation as well. The only reason I embarked upon this war was to gain enough population and land to keep Mali below the 50% threshold.

I have aggressively seeded my religions among my vassals. Monty still hates me, but I couldn't care less. Mansa and Cyrus like me - which is good, since I plan on attacking Genghis though Cyrus.
 
I've seen it both ways. Most seem eager to capitulate if you bring them down to a few cities. But I had one civ, can't remember which one, that refused to, no matter how far down I took him. He said he was doing fine at one city. Fine again when that city had no more cottages, resources, or farms. Fine again when his last city was taken and all he had were a few roaming troops for me to clean up.
 
My guess, albeit from brief experience, is that the AI tries to capitulate right after they lose enough land to have slightly less than 50% of yours, figuring they can quickly regain enough through culture or settling to get by that threshold and get away scot-free.
 
I've had nations capitulate that:
Hated me (but must have hated me less than the other big nation)
liked me a lot.
were larger than 50% my size.

both were of the same religion.
one of them stopped the relationship after 10 or so turns. Then asked again 20 turns later.

Roosevelt
the Koreans
 
Watiggi said:
Me too. I got one capitulation though when I was fighting Carthage. I kept looking at the diplomatic options and eventually it was white and he capitulated. The others however... different story. I get to war with Churchil, the Ottomans and the Celts. My power rating is through the roof (about 2.5 times bigger than Churchils, as he only has 2 cities). I have taken out a Celtic city and he only has 3 cities left. Neither of them want to capitulate. I have also taken out an Ottoman city (leaving 3 left too) and he wont captulate either. What is it about? Reducing half their empire or something? This is on noble/normal/large pangaea.
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To be fair in the real world Churchill was outmanned, and out gunned, by a much larger country with more land and very publically refused to capitulate. Maybe it's a Churchill trait?

I imagine as you attacked he made some speach "we will fight them on that strange white glow that surrounds our country"
 
In my last game, me, Brennus nad Louis destroyed (3 Civs) and colonized (12 Civs) the whole world (Huge - Monarch - Epic - 18 Civs). Since i was aiming for a domination victory, I was a bit confused what to do next because you you cant declare war on your vassal states. But i ended up winning the Diplomatic Victory while almost everyone was furious at me:D. Your vassal states must vote for you even if it's against their own will. I used to be a peaceful player, but Warlords has made me a warmonger
 
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