Does the west understand Islam?

[Sidhe]

Since there seems to be alot of interest in what Arabs believe and where their motivation for terror comes from these days, can't think why

It behooves us to find out if their actions are based on Islam or something more insidious and evil.

I do find most people to have little or no understanding of Islam and I've got to admit I don't understand much, but I know something at least. Anyway since there seem to be precious few Islamics willing to post an ask a question of Islam thread(apologies if their is one) I though I'd put up some information in case anyones interested in finding a little bit about it. I can't understand personally how terrorism equates to the religion of Islam, maybe you guys can enlighten me?

Here's some previously mentioned facts:

Alah is the same God as Yahewa

Qur'an 4:163-165
163 Lo! We inspire thee (Muhammad) as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as we imparted unto David the Psalms;
164 And messengers We have mentioned unto thee before and messengers We have not mentioned unto thee; and Allah spake directly unto Moses;
165 Messengers of good cheer and off warning, in order that mankind might have no argument against Allah after the messengers. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.

84 And We bestowed upon him Isaac and Jacob; each of them We guided; and Noah did We guide aforetime; and of his seed (We guided) David and Solomon and Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the good.
85 And Zachariah and John and Jesus and Elias. Each one (of them) was of the righteous.
86 And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot. Each one of them did We prefer above (Our) creatures,


Qur'an 21:85-88
85 And (mention) Ishmael, and Idris (Enoch), and Dhul-Kifl (Ezekiel). All were of the steadfast.
86 And We brought them in unto Our mercy. Lo! they are among the righteous.
87 And (mention) Dhun Nun (Jonah), when he went off in anger and deemed that We had no power over him, but he cried out in the darkness, saying: There is no God save Thee. Be Thou glorified! I have been a wrong-doer.
88 Then We heard his prayer and saved him from the anguish. Thus We save believers.

In case you doubted it

Jesus is mentioned hundreds of times in the Koran as an inspiration for their messages of peace and understanding.

I heartily recomend this article, it is a more realistic view of Islam than I find is prevelant, what it believes and what it categorically denies to be Islamic. People should read this at least before they make any sort of judgement of Arabs, most of them follow their religion and don't corrupt it for a political agenda, and those that do have Allah to face.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/09/0925_TVkoran.html

Islamic scholars interviewed by the TV news show National Geographic Today agreed that terrorists such as Usama bin Laden and his supporters are fanatics using Islam to further their own worldly causes.

"In order for them to generate support beyond their small group, they have to latch onto universal symbols, and this is where Islam becomes a target of convenience for them," says Nyang

People combine pieces of verse from the Koran and use it to justify their actions, says Khouj. "But to understand the full meaning of the verse," he says, "you have to read the one before it, the one after it, maybe five to six verses to get the full picture."

The "full picture" of Islam and the Koran, say Khouj and Nyang, is captured by Chapter 5, Verse 32: "f anyone slew a person—unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land—it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people."

For most Muslims, the callous and indiscriminate taking of human life violates Allah's wishes. It defies the Koran's central message and undermines the peace that Islam promises to deliver to all people.

"Human life in Islam is extremely sacred," says Khouj. "We're not talking about just Muslim [life], but human life in general."

 

[Winner]

Unfortunately not. If it did, it wouldn't be so open to it.

 

[Sidhe]

Unfortunately not. If it did, it wouldn't be so open to it.

Why? Could you kindly back that troll up with text from the Koran or anything at all, no didn't think so? Personal opinion it is then. Not really what I want in this thread, but thanks for sharing

 

[Winner]

Why? Could you kindly back that troll up with text from the Koran or anything at all, no didn't think so? Personal opinion it is then. Not really what I want in this thread, but thanks for sharing

I think you'll have enough quotes once aneeshm shows up

 

[classical_hero]

You could change this to say, "Does Islam understand the West?" Because both questions apply equally.

 

[Lotus49]

Islam is not so hard to understand. There's no trouble with the religion itself.

The trouble is within the particulars of the primary culture that practices it, starting with their extreme self-righteousness, pride, intolerance, racism, and violent tendencies.

I could greatly expand on this, but that might not lead to a good discussion. But, make no mistake, that is the very heart of "the trouble in the Middle East".

Arab culture is what it is. It's not so hard to understand, and it's also not so hard to respect, if you have an open mind - and consider things from a broad perspective. However - that, coupled with historical events... it's no surprise that we have ended up where we are today.

So, what are we gonna do? Blood will flow on the desert sands, just as it always has done.

 

[Sidhe]

You could change this to say, "Does Islam understand the West?" Because both questions apply equally.

That's a broad bursh you wield there, but I agree their is a lack of understanding on both sides. However don't forget which countries you are referring too, some of them are westernised, even rich. Not all Islamics live in the desert without access to a computer, In fact few do.

 

[shahreevar]

Why? Could you kindly back that troll up with text from the Koran or anything at all, no didn't think so? Personal opinion it is then. Not really what I want in this thread, but thanks for sharing

dont worry about him, give the guy a break!
the ignorant are also stubborn in their beliefs.

 

[Winner]

dont worry about him, give the guy a break!
the ignorant are also stubborn in their beliefs.

Talking from your own experience with yourself?

You attacked me personaly in the closed thread, proving that you know nothing about me, you know nothing about my opinions, you just like to be rude to anybody who has a different opinion. So please, save your lectures for somebody else, would you?

 

[boarder]

I dont understand why people believe in any religion full stop.
Be it islam,judism,christianity,buddist,hindu,brian tamaki ,or devil worshipping, its all nonsense to me.

 

[shahreevar]

Talking from your own experience with yourself?

You attacked me personaly in the closed thread, proving that you know nothing about me, you know nothing about my opinions, you just like to be rude to anybody who has a different opinion. So please, save your lectures for somebody else, would you?

oh i know u, rather too well, more than i should really, and the thing about you, and those like you is that ... well, really what's the point? reform should come from within. that's jihad for you my misguided friend, a cool little fact that you probably do know but choose not to realize(i am not insulting your lack of information, just criticizing your inability to see both sides of the coin.)

besides you may keep saying that i dont know you, that i am insulting you. but its really all YOUR perception, besides since when did u lose your sense of humor?

btw, we iranians have saying which roughly translates to this, something that warrants a reaction, should not come with a complaint. u have "personally" attacked, trolled, agitated a whole lot of peeps, so you can't not expect similar reacation towards you.

 

[Winner]

oh i know u, rather too well, more than i should really, and the thing about you, and those like you is that ... well, really what's the point? reform should come from within. that's jihad for you my misguided friend, a cool little fact that you probably do know but choose not to realize(i am not insulting your lack of information, just criticizing your inability to see both sides of the coin.)

besides you may keep saying that i dont know you, that i am insulting you. but its really all YOUR perception, besides since when did u lose your sense of humor?

winner, i think we all know by now, that your application to the Neo-Nazi organization is just a signature( and a shaved head) away. So, please,do us all a favor and join already, really, you might find a friend or two so that you dont have to beat on the muslim immigrants in you corner of the world, all by yourself. you obviously have a thing (uhm, hatred???) towards muslim, and please don't deny it, since doing so would prevent your therapy

This is humour according to you?

I have no idea how you managed to get away with this. If I said something so rude, I'd be banned for a month.

(BTW, I have long hair )

 

[shahreevar]

(BTW, I have long hair )

oops, i guess its gonna hurt for sure when you hear buzzzzzzzzzz!!!

Moderator Action: This is not funny, Shahreevar. Please do post without flaming other forum member. Warned.
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[Neonanocyborgasm]

Since there seems to be alot of interest in what Arabs believe and where their motivation for terror comes from these days, can't think why

It behooves us to find out if their actions are based on Islam or something more insidious and evil.

I noticed you posted a lot of text regarding Islam. I would like to answer them by quoting something I often forget, but which is very true.

"Actions speak louder than words."

 

[Mirc]

No, I don't think they do. But I don't understand it either. I haven't read anything from their books, but I knew what is written in the first post.

 

[Methos]

I read the whole article, and the question that I have is what text or Scripture are they using to justify their actions?

I'm also curious how different Christianity and Islam is from each other. What are the differences?

 

[classical_hero]

I read the whole article, and the question that I have is what text or Scripture are they using to justify their actions?

I'm also curious how different Christianity and Islam is from each other. What are the differences?

The main difference is the fact that we believe that Jesus is God, which the Muslims do not believe. They only believe that he was a good prophet.

 

[Methos]

The main difference is the fact that we believe that Jesus is God, which the Muslims do not believe. They only believe that he was a good prophet.

Thanks! I didn't realize their view of Jesus. So than do they follow the OT Laws, or do they believe Jesus died for their sins? I'm guessing not (on the sins part) if they only believe He was a great prophet.

I take it than Mulhammad (sp?) was a great prophet as well, though it appears he is held in very high regard.

Interesting topic, Sidhe, and one I've been curious about myself.

 

[classical_hero]

They believe that is the highest of all prophets, since he gave them the Koran, and remember, he cannot be drawn into this equation.

 

[sysyphus]

You could change this to say, "Does Islam understand the West?" Because both questions apply equally.

Given the amount of time most Islamic countries have spent being colonised by Western countries I'd say they're well ahead in the race for being familliar with the other.