Doing Deals With Baddies - A Cheeky Browse Through English Foreign Policy

[grs]

IT - Spain demands Writing. Then I remember we are supposed to declare on them when we enter Middle Ages, which we did. I refuse, they declare.

Excellent, so we even get war happyness - seems a bit bending the rules, but why not

Germany has Republic, and we can very nearly get it in peace for Currency and Construction. But if we do that, we are paying for peace, since a straight up peace deal insults them. Still, we might want to take it.

Hmm, since they declared, they give us happyness too. I will at least wait till we have literature. If we do the trade they will enter the MA and we want a chance to trade for their free tech.

Got it.

 

[grs]

Pre: Change London to settler; Nottingham to galley, Hastings to temple. Hurry the temple in Warwick.

IBT: Literature - Feudalism. Warwick temple - harbor. Germany completes MoM. Russians complete ToA.

730BC: Decide against trading with Bismark to keep our techlead.

IBT: Nottingham galley - library. French complete The Great Wall.

710BC: --

IBT: Germany completes The Great Library.

690BC: Unload our settler next to cow and deer.

IBT: London settler - settler. Coventry temple - library. Oxford founded - temple. Canterbury worker - spear.

670BC: --

IBT: York settler - library. Arabs move spears into Medina.

650BC: --

IBT: --

630BC --

IBT: --

610BC: Medina won't flip Hurry temple in Hastings to help. Contact France and build an embassy. French are down CoL and Literature. Paris has a temple, walls, The Great Wall and a Collosseum in 1. Pop is 6. Taxes are 40% gold 60% science. Paris does 13spt and has 6 spears, 1 settler, 1 warrior as garrison. France owns multiple wines and furs.

IBT: London settler - library. Hastings temple - library. Warwick riots

590BC: Warwick get a scientist.

IBT: German galley appears out of the fog and lands 2 swords!

570BC: Luckily kill both swords losing a warrior.

IBT: --

550BC: Liverpool is founded - temple.

You can buy dyes from Arabs for a cheap tech if we are in need. We are severely underdefended, but we need culture against the Arabs and settle as much land as possible too. I took the risk of not building military.

Remeber the turn counter on war with the French.

 

[grahamiam]

looks like i'm next but i got 2 more sg's ahead of this so it won't be for a day or 2. i suggest that our fearless leader (Nad) step in and take over if he can

edit: sorry, no energy last night after shovelling 3 driveways (mine, neighbors on vacation, and the old couples 2 doors down). will play and post tonight

 

[grahamiam]

Preflight check: Switch Oxford from temple to worker. Our defenses consist of 4 warriors and 1 sword. We also have 3 galleys and 1 curragh, 10 towns so we are 11 units short of our quota. Switch London to a sword as this is way too small a military, also, we never know when the iron will expire. Switch Hastings to a barracks from Spear (London can do a sword in 3T, while it takes Hastings forever to do a spear)

Build an embassy with India (iron and wines) and America (5 gems)

IBT: Russia demands CoL and I cave

T1: 530BC Move the ships and workers that finished mining the iron mountain.
Trade: Sell Writing to Arabs for Dyes and 40g. This will help Nottingham to become a fully used size 6 town.

IBT: Arabs demand Philosophy, I cave
London sword -> sword
French are building GLib

T2: 510BC Move the sword into Nottingham. Drop off a settler on our new island.

IBT: Nottingham: Library -> sword; Oxford worker -> temple
Indians and Russians building GLib

T3: 490BC Found Dover -> worker Drop off another settler. Galleys head back to get some units for defense of our nice island.
Germany galley is off the London coast.
Sign RoP with America so galleys can safely move thru their waters.

IBT: Canturbury spear -> Lib

T4: 470BC Found Brighton -> warrior Cover the mountain and hill that the german boat seems to be going for.

IBT: Germans drop off an AC and Sword
London sword -> sword

T5: 450BC Near London: vet sword dies to AC (3/5); vet sword kills sword; after much deliberation, use final vet sword and kill the AC flawlessly (4/4)

T6: 430BC nada

IBT: Another German boat on the way
Nottingham sword -> sword

T7: 410BC nothing much, working

IBT: London sword -> sword

T8: 390BC Germany now up Fued and Eng.

IBT: Germany drops off 2 AC’s

T9: 370BC Near London: Sword dies to AC (2/5); Sword dies to AC (4/5); sword kills AC (4/4); Sword kills AC (2/4).
Pay Germany 100g to stop this nonsense. We need to get that island defended and this is just chewing up swords.
Russian has entered the MA and is up Fued.

IBT: Coventry Lib -> barracks
German’s building Sun’s

T10: 350BC nada.

Our new island has 1 warrior to defend 4 cities. Right now, there is 1 galley in London and 1 in Nottingham. Recommend we fill them with swords and send them to the island for defense.

 

[ThERat]

save

Pre-Turn
13 turns ago we met France, so 17 more to go until we have to declare war

330BC nth much load a galley with swords

IT250BC Russians finish GLib
we get feudalism and go for monotheism

IT210BC
germany demands again, and then declare

150BC
we now have a few swords to defend southern island
I don't know where we are heading to. This is very tough

 

[grahamiam]

Roster
grahamiam
ThERat - just played
bed_head7 - up
grs - on deck
Nad... waiting for new computer

 

[grs]

Please turn research back on. Min research will get us nowhere imho.

 

[ThERat]

Medina won't flip

that's because I guess Arabs put an insane amount of units inside the city, at least during my turns they kept on sending spears

Please turn research back on. Min research will get us nowhere imho.

I tried it and research would give us engineering or mono in 22 turns. i thought that might not be viable, because we end up having no cash to trade and won't catch up at deity that way. in fact, we have 10 cities with a few units to defend, Arabs can eat us alive. this variant might be feasible, but not with the settings we got. we can't even set up and attack Arabs. Maybe I sound too pessimistic, but I do not expect muich to get out from here.

 

[grahamiam]

if your trigger finger is itchy, then why not the americans? they're backwards, pressing us culturally, and have gems falling out of every pocket. we should be able to take them with a couple of covering pikes and 10MDI's. i don't expect much with this first war with the French, probably will be about the same as what's happening with the spanish atm.
also, why do we keep getting into wars with germany? they're a pest and will keep us from reaching immediate goals. just pay the knuckleheads off when they demand, especially since they are the only civ other than the arabs that can reach us atm.
as for the rest of the cities, replace the defending warriors or reg spears with MDI's or pikes.

@rat: i don't know why you're so pessimisic. we're ok, just squeezed a little more than usual.

 

[ThERat]

also, why do we keep getting into wars with germany?

sorry about that, I thought with our southern island reinforced, it should be ok to get some positive WW.
I do not think attacking America would be wise, since they give us access to our southern island.
I actually fear Arabs more than ever, since we do have very few units up north, maybe we should try build up some minor force there. There is a galley parked in our cities now, it came back exploring. we could disband it in order to build more infantry. we can also build one more town on the southern island

 

[bed_head7]

I'll do something to shake things up.

 

[grahamiam]

I do not think attacking America would be wise, since they give us access to our southern island.

i don't get it? what is on that island that we're relying on atm? RoP ends in 3T, they don't have horses or iron, do we wait till they have salt and become a problem or is it better to deal with them now? declare war, land pikes on the mountains SW of Seatle, watch the archers die, then start taking towns and boosting troop support.

i agree, btw, that we don't have enough defenders for the arabs. however, we'll never get there unless we expand, and expansion into america is the only logical path i see atm. it's close to the home island and defendable, only the germans and arabs can attack it atm, and it probably has a nice FP location. i really think we'll miss an opportunity if we let them be.

 

[ThERat]

i agree, btw, that we don't have enough defenders for the arabs. however, we'll never get there unless we expand, and expansion into america is the only logical path i see atm. it's close to the home island and defendable, only the germans and arabs can attack it atm, and it probably has a nice FP location. i really think we'll miss an opportunity if we let them be.

actually I agree after thinking about it. sorry grahamiam, I sound too timid, not my usual self and we do need more towns.

 

[grs]

I agree with grahamian. Make peace with Germany asap. They land quite a lot of units and warring them costs us multiple the price of a lousy demand. Also it will take longer each time we get to war with them .

America looks like a nice target, once we have peace with Bismark and a decent stack of units up.

I am against minimum research, but if we do it, please do not use scientists in 2(!) productive cities. Oxford could get a second shield instead for it's temple and Warwick would get 2 gold and 2 food to grow faster. Brighton is "trash central"; a court won't help it a bit, so you could hire our scientist there.

 

[bed_head7]

Before - changed a few tiles to get a couple of improvements faster, upped research on monotheism.

Early - declare on France

Umm, that is about all. Tech pace is kind of quick. Russia learned monotheism and theology (started Sistines), France hit Middle Age. We are falling behind, with no real way to catch up. Maybe we should buy Republic, or research it more likely, to help out our research capabilities. With a limited army, Republic really is the way to go.

I didn't add to army, only infrastructure, hoping it would help. We need libraries for culture and research, more so than extra land at this point. Or, I should say, the difference between the benefits and costs of libraries and are greater than the difference for building an army and claiming land, if that makes sense.

I think a few cats to go along with eventual stack would be a good idea, so I started a catapult build in one of the squeezed cities by Arabia that does't need any more improvement.

 

[grs]

I got it....

 

[ThERat]

sorry for my somewhat turns, must have been really mad about the game...grs any progress?

guess we need our great advisor nad here, who came up with this whacky idea in the frist place.

 

[grs]

Give me a day more.

 

[bed_head7]

I don't think anyone is a big hurry. Take your time, maybe get us our first few points?

 

[grahamiam]

please take your time it seems every-other day i get stuffed. that should teach me about over-extending myself in these sg's