DPII's Unit Previews

[Ozymandias]

Re: Viking units. I'm using the Civ Berserker as a "VArangian Guard" unit for the Byzantines and the AoK conversion (thx Aluminium!) as a true Viking Berserker. Works for me...

You can also use the Berserker (as I do) for generic ca. 11th century Byzantine infantry -- Roger the Norman's knights routed Byzantine axe-men on one of their early depredations, um, forays.

-Oz

 

[mrtn]

SoG, what's a Ufsark?
I give them the Slavic Horseman (renamed, of course) and utah's Viking Swordsman as med inf. I'll also give them a normal knight, after ca 1000 CE Scandinavia developed alongside the rest of Europe (though a bit poorer and colder ).

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Aluminum would know better than me, but heres what I know:

Berserk's totem animal was the bear, the Ufsark was the younger brother if you will of the berserker. The wolf was their totem...in that case, the Firaxis Swordsman, simply renamed Ufsark, would be approapriate for the Vikings.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Aluminum would know better than me, but heres what I know:

Berserk's totem animal was the bear, the Ufsark was the younger brother if you will of the berserker. The wolf was their totem...in that case, the Firaxis Swordsman, simply renamed Ufsark, would be approapriate for the Vikings.

But then what do we use as the base Swordsman???

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

The European Swordsman? I think Utahjazz made that guy.

Generally, the European culture group can be split into 3 different parts: Western European(England, Ireland, France, Spain etc.), Eastern/Germanic(Germany, Russia, Scandenavia Etc.) and Medittarian(Greece, Rome/Italy).

 

[Antiochus VII]

I've got a question to throw in here that may relate to the Scandinavian tree or not - if not given their own civ, how do you place the Norman units (civ-wise and unit-wise)?

 

[Dom Pedro II]

I've got a question to throw in here that may relate to the Scandinavian tree or not - if not given their own civ, how do you place the Norman units (civ-wise and unit-wise)?

You mean Norse units?

 

[Antiochus VII]

I mean Norman as in Normandy, Sicily, etc - not exactly Norse but not exactly West European (or are they?) being actually much more effective (or at least dangerous ) during the 11th and 12th centuries!

 

[Dom Pedro II]

I mean Norman as in Normandy, Sicily, etc - not exactly Norse but not exactly West European (or are they?) being actually much more effective (or at least dangerous ) during the 11th and 12th centuries!

I dunno... I have the Norman Knight with the French... but I suppose that in general they're really more Viking... *shrugs* I'll let one of the experts handle that one.

 

[Redking]

Generally, the European culture group can be split into 3 different parts: Western European(England, Ireland, France, Spain etc.), Eastern/Germanic(Germany, Russia, Scandenavia Etc.) and Medittarian(Greece, Rome/Italy).

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you posit this in Civ terms, and only for the allotment of flavor units - well, I suppose to each his own, though they seem somewhat arbitray delineations.
If by this you are putting forward some sort of ethnographic diagram, then I'm even further skeptical.

- Redking

 

[Dom Pedro II]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you posit this in Civ terms, and only for the allotment of flavor units - well, I suppose to each his own, though they seem somewhat arbitray delineations.
If by this you are putting forward some sort of ethnographic diagram, then I'm even further skeptical.

- Redking

I agree... this categorization seems dubious.


To all: Sigh... Earlier today, I discovered some print outs of the Civ2 texts that I was going through working on one of my many scenarios... brought back some memories...

 

[Ozymandias]

I mean Norman as in Normandy, Sicily, etc - not exactly Norse but not exactly West European (or are they?) being actually much more effective (or at least dangerous ) during the 11th and 12th centuries!

It depends what year you start the game: before 1066 CE have them in Normandy; IIRC Roger the Norman nailed Sicily sometime around 1070 so I'd then place them in Sicily (from which they conquered a decent chunk of territory) as the post-1066 Normans in England are probably (from a Civ POV) best considered English. After the departure of Roger the Normans in Normandy seem to have slowly become French .

-Oz

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I agree... this categorization seems dubious.


To all: Sigh... Earlier today, I discovered some print outs of the Civ2 texts that I was going through working on one of my many scenarios... brought back some memories...

Odd you say that....I actually found some old files from an old computer of mine from three or so years ago....talk about hitting gold....

 

[Dom Pedro II]

To get this thread back on topic...... here's some pictures!

The first one is the Carthaginian War Elephant with riders. The second is what I will make the "generic" elephant archer look like... except that it will have a rider just above the neck. (No idea why that wasn't included in the first place...)

 

[Xen]

quite honestlly, that second elephant looks about what i would suspect an iberian (Spain and Portugal for the non-historically literate) war elephant would look like

 

[Dom Pedro II]

quite honestlly, that second elephant looks about what i would suspect an iberian (Spain and Portugal for the non-historically literate) war elephant would look like

You sound like there's a problem... what does that mean in the context of me making this?

 

[Rhye]

i think everything's allright.

You still have to apply the skin to the elephant, right?

 

[Dom Pedro II]

i think everything's allright.

You still have to apply the skin to the elephant, right?

...... No, that was going to be it... I decided the skin that came with the figure was too "real" for Civ... as most units seem to look better with flat colors. I can increase the texture strength... so the color will be flat, but the bumps will be more obvious... or I can adjust the shades of the skin.

 

[Xen]

nah, just commenting; i like the look of them alot actually

The European Swordsman? I think Utahjazz made that guy.

Generally, the European culture group can be split into 3 different parts: Western European(England, Ireland, France, Spain etc.), Eastern/Germanic(Germany, Russia, Scandenavia Etc.) and Medittarian(Greece, Rome/Italy).

Spain and Portugal can BOTH be put into the Med sea catagory; it was a stupid choice not to in the fiurs tplace, when the refernce "latin" in the modern sense, refers to Spain, Portugal, and Italy....

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Spain and Portugal can BOTH be put into the Med sea catagory; it was a stupid choice not to in the fiurs tplace, when the refernce "latin" in the modern sense, refers to Spain, Portugal, and Italy....

No... latin in the modern sense refers to Cental, South America and the Caribbean.