Elimination Thread-Returning Civ 5 Leaders

[RFormica]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 26
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 16
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 25
Genghis Khan 28
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 13
Napoleon 21 - 3 = 18 Napoleon should stay where he belongs. He needs to stay a great general.
Nebuchadnezzar II 21 + 1 = 22 Babylon, please! (And I want to make a Hammurabi without creating a whole new civ )
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 19
Ramesses II 22
Ramkhamhaeng 7
Sejong 26
Shaka 24
Suleiman 22
William 22
Wu Zetian 22

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 26
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 16
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 25
Genghis Khan 28
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 13
Napoleon 18
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Pacal 22
Pachacuti (19+1)=20 Strangely, Pachacuti was never really annoying to me in my games. Players seem to dislike the Incas, even in Civ4, people hated playing against Huayna Capac. But the Earth-Shaker doesn't deserve to go yet. And they can find a much better voice actor for him.
Ramesses II 22
Ramkhamhaeng (7-3)=4 His return is not a priority, plus there are other prominent Siamese rulers to choose from.
Sejong 26
Shaka 24
Suleiman 22
William 22
Wu Zetian 22

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 26
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 16
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 20 (23-3) still not competitive
Gajah Mada 25
Genghis Khan 28
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 13
Napoleon 18
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Ramkhamhaeng 4
Sejong 26
Shaka 24
Suleiman 22
William 23 (22+1) leader of a very unique and worldwide important Civ
Wu Zetian 22

 

[conorbebe]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 26
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 16
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 20
Gajah Mada 25
Genghis Khan 28
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 13
Napoleon 18
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Ramkhamhaeng 4
Sejong 26
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23 (22 + 1) The best onion hat.
William 20 (23 - 3) The least interesting leader on the list for me.
Wu Zetian 22

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 26
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 16
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 20 + 1 = 21 (We need cunning old men in Civ VI. Who better to fit that bill than this 90-year old man who defeated Constantinople?)
Gajah Mada 25
Genghis Khan 28
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 13
Napoleon 18
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Ramkhamhaeng 4
Sejong 26
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 20 - 3 = 17 (Not really a priority. His story, while interesting, carries few of the iconic legacies of the other leaders on this list.)
Wu Zetian 22

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 26
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 16
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 18 (21-3) see above
Gajah Mada 25
Genghis Khan 28
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 13
Napoleon 19 (18+1) see above
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Ramkhamhaeng 4
Sejong 26
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 17
Wu Zetian 22

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 26
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 16+1=17 I think he can return, since Frederick the Great is another Frederick for Germany...
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 18
Gajah Mada 25
Genghis Khan 28
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 13
Napoleon 19
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Ramkhamhaeng (4-3)=1 He's not essential enough to his Civ to warrant a return to Civ6. Plus Sukritact has made a nice mod for him.
Sejong 26
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 17
Wu Zetian 22

 

[RFormica]

Ramkhamhaeng (4-3)=1 He's not essential enough to his Civ to warrant a return to Civ6. Plus Sukritact has made a nice mod for him.

Who needs official content when you have official-quality content?

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 26
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 18
Gajah Mada 25
Genghis Khan 28
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 13
Napoleon 19 - 3 = 16 Same reason as before
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Ramkhamhaeng 1
Sejong 26
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 17 + 1 = 18 Netherlands civ? Yes, please!
Wu Zetian 22

 

[God of Kings]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 26
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 18
Gajah Mada 25 + 1 = 26 Practically a given
Genghis Khan 28
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 13
Napoleon 16
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Ramkhamhaeng 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED Someone else can represent Siam/Thailand better
Sejong 26
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 18
Wu Zetian 22

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 26
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 18
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 28-3=25 - Mongols can wait.
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 13
Napoleon 16+1=17 - Yes please. I want him as a second leader of France, because Catherine de' Medici was a bad choice, and because I'd like to see France with some military bonus.
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 26
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 18
Wu Zetian 22

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27 (26+1) Akkad, Assyria, Babylon, Mitanni, Hittites, Elam...they all had to come.
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 18
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 25
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 13
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 26
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 18
Wu Zetian 19 (22-3) Yonlge time

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 18
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 25
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa (13+1)=14 I would make her return if the Austrians are to be added. I don't care much about Franz Joseph or the other Austrian kings.
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong (26-3)=23 However great a leader Sejong was, a different Korean ruler can represent the country this time, like Seondeok of Silla or Gwanggaeto the Great. I just find the Three Kingdoms period to be an important era for Korea, and it's also my favorite period of Korean history.
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 18
Wu Zetian 19

 

[The Kingmaker]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 18
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 25
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 14
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 22+1=23 Yes please! Bring back Babylon!
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 18-3=15 We've seen him three times now... surely it's time for someone new?
Wu Zetian 19

 

[RFormica]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 18
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 25
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 14
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 23 + 1 = 24 Babylon!
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 15
Wu Zetian 19 - 3 = 16 Better and different choices for China

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 18
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 25 + 1 = 26 (Too important to exclude.)
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26
Maria Theresa 14
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 15 - 3 = 12 (Simply not a priority, sorry, and his story isn't as cool as most nearly all other leaders on this list. The Netherlands will be in Civ VI at some point anyway.)
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 18+1=19 - I'd love if he made a return either as a leader of Venetian Republic, or as a leader of Italy.
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 26
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 26-3=23 - While others may like him, I'm just not that enthused in the return of Polynesia/Hawaii.
Maria Theresa 14
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 24
Suleiman 23
William 15
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 16 (19-3) see above
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 26
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 14
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 25 (24+1) I guess he will not come this time his UU (fast and ranged attack) has gone over to the Nubians
Suleiman 23
William 15
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 16
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 26
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa (14+1)=15 Only Austrian leader I really like
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 25
Suleiman 23
William (15-3)=12 Funny thing about Willem van Oranje is that his Civ3 version doesn't even look like him, but more like William III of England. It's about time we get a different leader for the Dutch. Surely, there are other worthy choices?
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 18-3=15 - We already have naval and colonial focused England.
Enrico Dandolo 16+1=17 - The game is about big personalities. It seems that Manifold thinks that a mastermind who completely changed course of the Fourth Crusade, made Venice rich, leaded Venetian armies in the Crusade and conquered one of the largest European cities in his nineties and blind is not a big personality enough.
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 26
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 15
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 25
Suleiman 23
William 12
Wu Zetian 16

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 16
Ashurbanipal 27
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 17
Catherine 22
Elizabeth 15
Enrico Dandolo 17 + 1 = 18 (Agreed re: big personality, and they did a good job finding a Venetian voice actor speaking authentic Venetian for V as well, so here's hoping something similarly authentic comes along if they include Venice)
Gajah Mada 26
Genghis Khan 26
Gustavus Adolphus 25
Harun al-Rashid 18
Kamehameha 23
Maria Theresa 15
Napoleon 17
Nebuchadnezzar II 24
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 20
Ramesses II 22
Sejong 23
Shaka 25
Suleiman 23
William 12 - 3 = 9 (Definitely not a priority. The Netherlands will be in the game at some point and is hardly the most interesting civ, led by the most interesting leader, among the choices remaining.)
Wu Zetian 16