Emp. Players: Let's Try Deity!

[Empiremaker]

0- looks good.

IBT- Cathrine demands TM and 19 gold. I cave,

I renew to lux deal with Egypt.

Egineering -> Invention.

We may want to make a detour to Banking.

1- Build an embassy with Egypt. Egypt is in Fascism.

IBT- Russia and China sign peace

Renew gems deal with Sumeria

England withdraws troops from our territory.

Egypt completes Shakepreare’s

Sumeria starts US.

2- Sumeria is over 50000 cp (51425), about +650/turn, at current rate victory will be in 74 turns.

IBT- See English Rifle

Egypt is Railroading

3- Establish Embassy with Russians

4- zzz

5- zzz

6- zzz

IBT- China and Sumeria have signed a peace treaty.

7- Invention -> gunpowder (5 turns)

IBT- Sumeria starts ToE.

8- zzz

9- zzz

10- zzz

The Save

Bugsy, your’re up.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

OK, I have it, but I can't play until Friday.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Preflight – Bede would have a stroke, but due to the lack of luxuries I started some temples in our growth limited cities.
IBT – Russia declares on the Chinese.
1160
IBT – England and Russia sign MPP. Gunpowder =>Chemistry
1170 – I’m sure this will come as a shock to everyone, but we don’t have saltpeter.
IBT – China and England sign a peace treaty.
1180
1210 – Sumeria completes US, as if they don’t have enough culture already.
IBT – Chemistry =>banking (since we don’t have saltpeter, mil tradition doesn’t make sense)

1250 – It costs us 23gpt to renew the incense and Spice deal with Cleo.

1255 – Renew the gems deal with Gilamesh fo 19gpt. Lizzy demands 23G.

Banking=>Astronomy (5 turns)

1265 – Switch a bunch of prebuilds over to banks.

1270 – Sumeria and Egypt sign an MPP. England declares on China.

I played 15 boring turns. I’m not sure how to get this game even close to winnable. We can certainly use some banks (cash) and cathedrals (happies) We need to maximize our population in every city.

Save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/32851/Osman_1275_AD.SAV

 

[Empiremaker]

Where is the closest saltpeter? Well... no salt, we will have to wait until tanks.

 

[Norton II]

Maybe not. Egypt and Sumeria both have extra, and we can afford it. We're already 1/3 of the way to astronomy, and I hate to waste beakers, but if we wait until tanks, we're toast! Not only that, but there's no guarantee that we'll have oil or rubber. Therefore, I propose the following:
1. buy saltpeter from Egypt for 173 gold and 11 gpt (we don't need it yet, but they can't sell it to anyone else if we're buying it)
2. get research back on track toward MT at the highest rate we can afford

It's still an open question whether this is winnable, and the answer is looking more like "no" as Sumeria runs away in culture, technology, and everything else. Of course, there's nothing we can do about that except hope that Egypt has enough culture to keep Sumeria from winning that way (doesn't look like it, though). But let's try to take out England, at least.

 

[Norton II]

The save: View attachment Osman_1325_AD.SAV

Preflight:
-change research to metallurgy
-lower sci to 0, buy saltpeter from Egypt for WM, 11 gpt, and 173 gold
-raise sci to 40, met in 7, +15 gpt
IBT:
-all English units withdraw!
-Kafa temple->bank (23)
1: send our remaining worker to plains 2 NE of Konya
IBT:
-Sumeria declares on China again
-Istanbul bank->cathedral (11); Mugla bank->wealth
-Sumeria builds ToE
2:
-start road
-raise sci to 50, met in 4, -14 gpt
IBT: Uskudar temple->bank (23)
3: switch some geeks to taxmen, -9 gpt
IBT: Iznik temple->uni (13)
4:
-start irrigation
-have to lower slider--met goes from 2 to 3 even with all geeks
IBT: Sumerians start Hoover Dam
5:
-drop sci to 30, met still in 2
-looks like China doesn't have harbors left--we can't trade with them
IBT: Antalya uni->temple (9)
6: ----
IBT:
-learn met, MT in 6 at 50% sci, -12 gpt
-Ankara uni->bank (15)
7:
-start mining hill 2NE of Bursa
-change Mugla from wealth to horse (should've thought of that earlier)
IBT: Bursa bank->horse (3)
8:----
IBT:
-Egypt finishes off China (way to scavenge, Cleo!)
-Mugla horse->horse (2)
-Sumerians start SETI!!
9: make taxman in Iznik to prevent riots
IBT:
-Sumeria declares on Russia
-Konya bank->horse (3)
-Suez harbor->bank (27)
10:
-make geek in Bursa to prevent riots
-change all takmen to geeks, drop sci to 40, MT still in 3, +28 gpt

Notes:
1. The Sumerian cultural juggernaut is still rolling along; looks like they're at about 700 cpt. From the graph, it's hard to say where Egypt stands in relation to that, but it's going to be close.
2. I started a few horses to upgrade to Sipahis, but since upgrades cost about 210 gold each, we'll have to build most of them.

 

[Empiremaker]

We will also have to worry about a Diplo victory.

 

[nerovats]

got it, play later today.

 

[nerovats]

Pre-turn
looks ok, hit enter
IBT
England and Sumeria sign ma against Russia
Egypt wants TM and 23 gold, OK
1330AD
Bursa and Mugla horse->horse
sign MA with Sumeria against Russia as well, they're toast, and won't get to us, and we get 260 gold.
buy dyes from Sumeria for WM 18 gpt and 3 gold
1335AD
MT next turn
1340AD
MT in turn off science for 1 turn to get cash
upgrade 1st 2 horses, 1 left
pillage 1 fort to draw English to Izmit
1345AD
Pillige tile again, now road is cleared
IBT
Sumeria want MPP, no thanx
Sumeria starts on UN
1350AD
upgrade last horse and start upgrading spears and swords, should be done in couple of turns
IBT
English are moving lot's of rifles into our territory, no way we can deal with those
Have to renew lux deal with Egypt for 39gpt
1355AD
Iznik uni->shipai
Blok entrence again there are at least 50 rifles, this will be suicide.
IBT
Renew lux deal with Sumeria for 17gpt
Russia is gone
English retreat
Sumeria starts on Manhattan
1360AD
Nothing we can do anymore, Sumeria has 80K now
Will just keep upgrading units, maybe we can get more Shipai and reduce England and hope for something wierd, like getting elected, but that has never happend to me.
IBT
Egypt now wants 75 gpt for salt, we have no choice
1380AD
all cities are building Shipai, we now have 13 of those, 20 MI, 15 swords

Do we still want to try and get bit out of Englands? They got more rifles then we got units. They also had some Guerilla, so at least they don't have infantry. Sumeria is at 83K now.

View attachment Osman_1380_AD.SAV

 

[Empiremaker]

I got it. I have a feeling we'll lose. I'm declaring on England, just for the fun of it.

 

[Norton II]

Might as well; we can go down fighting, at least.

 

[nerovats]

Before declaring you might want to disable animations...

 

[Empiremaker]

0- Sumerian Culture is at 82850.

I tell Lizzy that you give us Astronomy, or you DIE. She takes the DIE option.

We enter a golden Age

Capture Newcastle.

IBT- English Infantry Appear

Lose Newcastle

English Raze Izmit.

The people love me so much, they want to expand my palace.

Sumerians starts The Internet

1- Sumerian Culture is at 83617

IBT- Lose Istanbul, Bursa, Edrine, Iznik, Konya

2- Sumerian Culture is at 84392

Our current military: 7 Swords

IBT- Lose Mugla, Antalya

Sumeria completes Hoovers

Sumerian Culture is at 58178

3- Our empire after 3 turns of war

IBT- Lose Uskudar (Razed), Denizli, Ankara

4- Another Palace expansion

Sumerian Culture is at 85997

IBT- Lose Suez, Kafa.

Ottomans are eliminated.

We are ranked as Osman the Cruel

This is the save on the turn before we lost.

 

[Norton II]

Well, at least we captured a city at one point, and it was better than sitting around waiting for Sumeria to win. Looks like the most recent picture ended up in an earlier post, though.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

tough game. no luxes is always a problem on deity.