Emperor Cookbook V: Saladin

[Soirana]

Well, let's call it shadow to 1500BC. although i doubt i will go on.

Warning - i did have IW and scouted well, so think before looking at save. In description i will mention as little as possible.

Spoiler :

Well, two gold hills, promise of non isolation and low sea level... Guess that was coming if we have marble nearby

Sorry, no screenshots, was lazy.

I ended being 1w, although by fog reading i thought i was moving away from floodplains. Well before i saw cows i was thinking about 1N. Cows fitted my strategy lot of more than FP.

Started techs Agri-Mining-AH [gold is priority as is second city for second gold. That is my opinion.]
On other hand we have 3hills without forest +cows...

t42-i found horses [damn far] - went for writing.
t51-found zulu
t79-met Gilgamesh. what a nice company...
t80-settler number three - keep him in as i will have alpha in two turns.
T82-Alpha- shaka won't trade with me despite giving him mysticim... Get BW from Gil, for writing+myst. Thank god we have copper!

t83-Alpha to Gil for IW+Pottery [Shaka is still not trading with me]. Sent few my fogbusting warriors [that is why i liked cows] to search more trading partners. Espionage distribution tells were should be some.

Aslo moved my copper settler to another location.
Let say [IW spoiler]

Spoiler :

Marble+iron+wheat+cows, beat crap out of copper city, especially since i can get iron in first ring. Saved myself a settler.

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t92-Met Mansa -Sailing out of him for IW, [got poly for masonry from Gil]

I am in... I don't know 5 turns maybe to currency slingshot. After i will stream axes settlers and workers, while teching towards literature. I already have tech advantage. Shaka still claims about archers which is good.

Well, knowing how late i met AI's that was rather gambit. On other hand i had half road to horse and fogbust line to horse place. in case i would get royaly screwed, which is near impossible on Fractal.

Have a good cookbook. to all for participation.

 

[shyuhe]

@Soirana:

Spoiler :

Love the alpha gambit. I don't think I've ever skipped BW entirely like that. The things you can do with early gold

 

[Gumbolt]

A new cookbook

Its a leader i am yet to play so this should be fun. Will have to make a decision on starting location once I load save. 2 gold should ease the pain early on!!!

Congrats to all those that finished the last one.

 

[Gumbolt]

Okay have gone for different too. I assume it is I havnt looked at others yet.

21/03/2009 - added a few screen shots!!

Spoiler :

I saw the wine and i laid the city there. (Bonus trade) In retrospect a bad idea given 2 sea resources i lost out on. Still I am happy with starting location.

I went warrior to build city up to size 3. After founding Hindu religion i teched Agriculture. followed by mining/ priesthood/masonry/writing and alphabet. Risky strat i skipped BW. It does leave me with lots of forest.

Meanwhile my warrior explored the land finding no obvious near neighours. Eventually Shaka and Mansa found me by way of scout.

As TMIT always says. Kill shaka if he starts near you!!!!

I built my second city to grab 2 food resources and the marble.

3rd city was laid to grab the gold and pigs.

come 1525bc i traded for BW and hunting with Mansa. I may have done a second trade with him.

Overall 3 cities. Oracle 2 turns off. (COL or currency?) copper inside my cultural borders thanks to border pop. Reasonable science although i need to expand.

Probably a bit weak defensively but copper should fix that.

Thinking AP win might be possible if I get my defenses up and I am not over run by barbs.

 

[Gumbolt]

Well, let's call it shadow to 1500BC. although i doubt i will go on.

Warning - i did have IW and scouted well, so think before looking at save. In description i will mention as little as possible.

Spoiler :

Well, two gold hills, promise of non isolation and low sea level... Guess that was coming if we have marble nearby

Sorry, no screenshots, was lazy.

I ended being 1w, although by fog reading i thought i was moving away from floodplains. Well before i saw cows i was thinking about 1N. Cows fitted my strategy lot of more than FP.

Started techs Agri-Mining-AH [gold is priority as is second city for second gold. That is my opinion.]
On other hand we have 3hills without forest +cows...

t42-i found horses [damn far] - went for writing.
t51-found zulu
t79-met Gilgamesh. what a nice company...
t80-settler number three - keep him in as i will have alpha in two turns.
T82-Alpha- shaka won't trade with me despite giving him mysticim... Get BW from Gil, for writing+myst. Thank god we have copper!

t83-Alpha to Gil for IW+Pottery [Shaka is still not trading with me]. Sent few my fogbusting warriors [that is why i liked cows] to search more trading partners. Espionage distribution tells were should be some.

Aslo moved my copper settler to another location.
Let say [IW spoiler]

Spoiler :

Marble+iron+wheat+cows, beat crap out of copper city, especially since i can get iron in first ring. Saved myself a settler.

.

t92-Met Mansa -Sailing out of him for IW, [got poly for masonry from Gil]

I am in... I don't know 5 turns maybe to currency slingshot. After i will stream axes settlers and workers, while teching towards literature. I already have tech advantage. Shaka still claims about archers which is good.

Well, knowing how late i met AI's that was rather gambit. On other hand i had half road to horse and fogbust line to horse place. in case i would get royaly screwed, which is near impossible on Fractal.

Have a good cookbook. to all for participation.

Spoiler :

Just seen what you did. Interesting how our approach was similar but different. I went east you went west. Probably should of skipped the religion but couldnt resist. I do like the non BW approach as it saves so much forest. Wish i had got Axes up sooner. Not sure where Gil is.

 

[KingMorgan]

Spoiler :

Settled 1E, Poly. Hinduism. Chopped a settler, then oracle 6 turns to complete.

View attachment KingMorgan EC5 BC-1500.CivBeyondSwordSave

 

[champ82]

Spoiler :

Move Settler 1 East.

Techs went Ag, Mining, BW. After BW I put it to hunting before I checked the map to see where / if there was any copper. I didn’t realize I left it on until I was half done researching it, so I just finished and went to archery. I didn’t like where the copper was and there didn’t seem any rush to get it with PRO archers. Animal Husbandry, Masonry, Polytheism, Preiesthood, Writing.

Build order went worker, warrior, start barracks, warrior, finish barracks, archer, worker, archer, settler. Wait, I have 3 archers, must have forgot to write one of them down.

Other notable events –
3575 – Meet Gilgamesh from SE
3475 – Budhism founded
3350 – Hinduism founded
3250 – expoloring warrior gets killed by lion 5 N 1 E of Mecca
2100 – Medina founded to have immediate access to marble and wheat.

2000 – Judiasm founded
1675 – Great Wall Built. I start building Oracle.
1525 – Meet Shaka, Stonehenge built.

The problem I’m having is that at the current rate the Oracle will be complete before I get writing. I hate to wait to finish the oracle but I really want COL. If I were to finish the game alone I would take the gamble andchange the build queue of Mecca so that I would be one turn away from completing the oracle, and then put something else in there, wait for writing and then finish it.

The known world -

I have a settler, warrior, and archer waiting inbetween the horse and wheat to the SE. I will find the city after I obtain writing.



The state of things –

So I think my game falls into the ‘could be better, could be worse’ category. There’s no real reason to pick mine over KingMorgan’s (and probably some others) other than an extra challenge as far as I can tell. I think my chances of getting COL and a religion are pretty good. My security is OK I think for now (especially as random events are turned off.) It will have to be beefed up if Shaka is close though. I didn't get the copper yet, but I really don't see the rush. I'd rather get land that would get eaten up by Gilgamesh or others first. The Madrassa should be good culture defense. I didn't explore very well obviously.

 

[Gumbolt]

Spoiler :

Move Settler 1 East.

Techs went Ag, Mining, BW. After BW I put it to hunting before I checked the map to see where / if there was any copper. I didn’t realize I left it on until I was half done researching it, so I just finished and went to archery. I didn’t like where the copper was and there didn’t seem any rush to get it with PRO archers. Animal Husbandry, Masonry, Polytheism, Preiesthood, Writing.

Build order went worker, warrior, start barracks, warrior, finish barracks, archer, worker, archer, settler. Wait, I have 3 archers, must have forgot to write one of them down.

Other notable events –
3575 – Meet Gilgamesh from SE
3475 – Budhism founded
3350 – Hinduism founded
3250 – expoloring warrior gets killed by lion 5 N 1 E of Mecca
2100 – Medina founded to have immediate access to marble and wheat.

2000 – Judiasm founded
1675 – Great Wall Built. I start building Oracle.
1525 – Meet Shaka, Stonehenge built.

Insert 3rd city picture.

The problem I’m having is that at the current rate the Oracle will be complete before I get writing. I hate to wait to finish the oracle but I really want COL. If I were to finish the game alone I would take the gamble andchange the build queue of Mecca so that I would be one turn away from completing the oracle, and then put something else in there, wait for writing and then finish it. I’m not founding my 3rd city until I get writing.

The state of things –

Insert photos

So I think my game falls into the ‘could be better, could be worse’ category. There’s no real reason to pick mine over KingMorgan’s other than an extra challenge as far as I can tell. I think my chances of getting COL and a religion are pretty good. My security is OK I think for now (especially as random events are turned off.) It will have to be beefed up if Shaka is close though. I didn't get the copper yet, but I really don't see the rush. I'd rather get land that would get eaten up by Gilgamesh or others first. The Madrassa should be good culture defense. I didn't explore very well obviously.

I think you posted the wrong picture!!! Either that or I have been playing the wrong save.

 

[champ82]

I think you posted the wrong picture!!! Either that or I have been playing the wrong save.

Yeah I'm new to writing reports / spoilers / using photobucket. Can you tell? I caught it later myself.

 

[Gumbolt]

Least you loaded some pics. i got a bit lazy on my report.

 

[Lansky]

I liked my round overall but it could have been better.

Spoiler :

I have a lot of faith in the beginning capital city placement script so I just blindly settle in place. So Gold, Corn, Wine, 3 flood plains. I've had worse.

I am pretty sure I took a very different route from what other people will have done. Only two cities currently. Capital settled in place and Medina to the east claiming corn, cow, marble, and recently revealed grassland iron. Copper and Iron are within cultural borders and are being hooked up. A third worker out in 3 turns and a third settler out in 7. An amazing barb city is up a bit to the east which would be easy picking for some swords. Explored a decent bit of the map with a woods2 warrior but have neglected the upper half. Obviously built The Oracle to claim CoL (Medina is the holy city).

What makes this most likely different is that with gold in the BFC, revealed marble and 3 FP's I went after Pottery > The Oracle > Alphabet. Alphabet decision was based on the neighbors discovered so far
-Ghengis: E somewhere
- Shaka: Directly SE
- Gilga: E somewhere
- Mansa!: He's east of Shaka and south of the other two likely. Probably won't be alive for long.

Tech wise we have Alphabet(monopoly in the known world atm), CoL, IW and one turn into Currency but I'm not sold on this tech up next. A lot of tech brokering was done in the last few turns but nothing was given to Shaka. Really want to see him smeared early. Have the free missionary heading towards him (unescorted gambit) to make him a religious pariah hopefully. Mansa/Ghengis are Buddhist.

Big down side is only 2 cities at this time.

Well I think you can get most of this from the save actually... meh.

Save properly posted here - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=7900274&postcount=91

 

[dirtyparrot]

I'll start off by saying that I have not played past Prince difficulty (although I do beat Prince on a regular basis) and this is my 1st time participating in any cookbook. I haven't really documented much, but I think I've had a respectable beginning (I guess others can let me know whether that's the case or not).

Spoiler :

I decided after seeing hints of a coastline in the initial screenshot, to settle 1SW from the corn (cost me 1 turn). I cranked out a worker, then a warrior, then a settler. I started researching agriculture, mining, and then BW. I decided to really limit my exploration because I had no idea when barbs start popping up on Emperor.

So far, I’ve settled 2 cities and I’m about to get a 3rd (down by the marble/wheat/spice/cows). I’ve used my archers for fog-busting and my city placement means that I only really need to worry about barbs coming from the right side. Both my cities have granaries and I’m about to get my first axeman. So far, I’ve only built one worker, but most of my best tiles are being worked (obviously that’s insufficient, but I figure with the barbs and Shaka as a neighbour that a strong military can’t hurt). The worry of jumping 2 levels has made feel like I need to micro-manage like crazy.

So far, I’ve met Shaka, Gilga, and Mansu. I’m currently researching alphabet in hopes of being able to trade with other civs. I would appreciate any constructive criticism from others.

Spoiler :

Here's Mecca


And Medina


Future site of my 3rd city


Mecca city info (note that next turn I'll flip the build order)


Medina city info


Relations


Power graph

Also for some reason I can't play this save using the BUG mod.

 

[gspchamp999]

Spoiler :

Teched - Agric, AH, Mining, BW, Pottery IW

Next settler to settle Wheat/Cow 8 Blocks to the right of my third city.

Monuments built in two non-capital cities.

Have two non-upgraded chariots so far.

 

[assass1n]

Spoiler :

That's the way I play it when I see four AI's on my continent they do the fogbusting I don't I haven't got even one barb coming and I can get axes quick enough

 

[RJM]

Spoiler :

That's the way I play it when I see four AI's on my continent they do the fogbusting I don't I haven't got even one barb coming and I can get axes quick enough

Spoiler :

The great thing about these games is learning new techniques from other people. Can you say some more about fog-busting by the AI? On your save, I assumed that barbs (warriors, archers or axemen) could appear within 3 tiles of each of your cities at any time. Is there something that prevents this happening? In my save, I have posted axemen to gain experience from the barbs that I thought would appear. Have I wasted my time?

RJM

 

[Soirana]

Spoiler :

That's the way I play it when I see four AI's on my continent they do the fogbusting I don't I haven't got even one barb coming and I can get axes quick enough

Spoiler :

There is a question when do you meet four AI's. I still haven't despite some efforts.

Another thing that is low sea level and quite a teritory in east.. Is suspect barbs will kick some assess in nearest few hundred years. As soon as barb axes will slaugther all these scouts they will start searchinng for someone to kill.

 

[assass1n]

Spoiler :

The great thing about these games is learning new techniques from other people. Can you say some more about fog-busting by the AI? On your save, I assumed that barbs (warriors, archers or axemen) could appear within 3 tiles of each of your cities at any time. Is there something that prevents this happening? In my save, I have posted axemen to gain experience from the barbs that I thought would appear. Have I wasted my time?

RJM

Spoiler :

Actually it depends on the number of fogged tiles on this continent (world ?)
the AI's usually start with two scouts and they keep them running around so very few barb spawns occur and also we don't have Events On so no barb uprisings
yeah I think even I should have put an axeman on a forested plains so that it gains exp for HE

 

[RJM]

Spoiler :

Actually it depends on the number of fogged tiles on this continent (world ?)
the AI's usually start with two scouts and they keep them running around so very few barb spawns occur and also we don't have Events On so no barb uprisings
yeah I think even I should have put an axeman on a forested plains so that it gains exp for HE

Spoiler :

One of the loading messages implies that a tile that has been "unfogged" becomes fogged again - presumably if it's not visible from an active unit or city. Is this not the case?

RJM

 

[assass1n]

Yeah it's like that

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Hi ,

found the starting screeny amazing so gave it a go:

Spoiler :

The plan was to work both gold resources asap. I settled in place...

Techs went: Agriculture (corn) -> Pottery (cottage those fps asap, thinking at early bureacraty) -> hunting -> archery (opening with pottery means no time to hook up copper or horses) ->mining -> BW ->Writing -> fishing -> sailing (to have an exploring WB and establish early TRs) -> work on alphabet (4 turns to go at 1500 BC with enough gold to finish it).
Builds in the cap: worker -> 2 warriors -> worker -> archer -> settler -> worker -> archer -> settler -> worker (on going)

I settled the pig /gold/corn site first then the cow/marble/wheat one (GLib ).
Plan is to push for COL then CS while going on with the REX (my next three sites are marked). Only one AI met so far (yeah I lost 2 warriors over 3 ), the friendly Genghis Khan!

Units: 2 archers, 1 warrior, 1 workboat, 3 workers
eco: +37bpt/-3 gpt, 13g in reserve. No GP points yet (no lib so... )

Some pics:
Cities:

Resource map:

Techs researched:

Units:

I had no time for a more detailed report, so just ask if you want to know something I didn't mention

Cheers,
Raskolnikov