ildivincodino99
Warlord
It doesn't handle with Fiefdom, you're right. His mod wan't updated in a year more or less
Anyway, thank you! Your return to modding was really appreciated, I liked and I like your mods, they add a nice flavour to VP
Enginseer's Wholesome Tweaks (VERSION 12!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Anyway, thank you! Your return to modding was really appreciated, I liked and I like your mods, they add a nice flavour to VP
CromulentRomulan
Warlord
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I've found with the tech bell curve increases that there is no era in which I have to make choices between buildings to build, there is enough time to build them all if desired. I don't enjoy this so much so I don't play with it in effect.
Very much like the Maya flavour change of free observatory. Haven't tried the other Civ tweaks out but most look fine, I think the Babylon changes are good also.
What is the authority building stronghold pictured in the screenshots?
The barbarian horsemen and hand axe changes make the barbarians a real pain early game, workers can't move near the cities borders unescorted.
Very much like the Maya flavour change of free observatory. Haven't tried the other Civ tweaks out but most look fine, I think the Babylon changes are good also.
What is the authority building stronghold pictured in the screenshots?
The barbarian horsemen and hand axe changes make the barbarians a real pain early game, workers can't move near the cities borders unescorted.
Hej, love the concept, and the fact that authority kinda more scale into the endgame, but i have two tiny issues..
First, for long time i was thinking there is a bug, and tooltip is incorrect, but nothing show in production que.. It turned out that it is in fact added, but to the city production tile, so in production que it is included
but indirectly as production "from the terrian".. When city sumarises all the prodcution, it says "from terrian", "from population", "from buildings", "from religion", sometimes if i recall correctly it says "other sources",
but if it said like "form policies" or at least maybe the wording on policy description should be added, that the "+1 to production on every City tile" or something similar.. it confused me a lot for long time
thou maybe im just stupid xDEarly game i didn't noticed, that my capitol tile had 2 production, and 2 should be only on the hill.. I just noticed it later in the game, when my capitol had 11 production on city tile, just then i realised its not a bug..
Second issue, but maybe this is just me resisting to adapt xD, usually you opened with authority, to get production boost, so you sacriface, growth/gp that you could get from tradition or good/gold/science that you could get from progress..
..to get the production, so that you could build more army and develop cities.. Now you only have it in the capitol, but other cities suffer tremendously..
I mean, ok, regarding capitol it seems fair.. since about second city+barracks, you can have 10 units, so with authority finisher capitol can have 7-8 production, so its even better then old authority..
But same 10 units will give u 1 production it other cities, which for early game is fare worse then +3 from progress.. So im thinking, now actually best opener on higher difficulty would be probably progress into authority..
To get production boost outside capitol, to reach values presented in progress you would have to get like 30 units, so this is like 5-6 decently developed cities..
To get benefits from authority, you need army, and with current state, practically only your capitol can build it..
I believe progress was buffed before to from +2p to +3p, to probably balance authority, so maybe now progress should go back to +2p, and authority got like +2p in every city on opener.
Then on reaching 10 units, it will have +3p comparing to +2p on progress, which is not that much considering progress have also free worker and 15% towards buildings..
Hmm, maybe then authority would need some percentage production towards units? Units are like mobile buildings, at least when you consider their prize
Or maybe free warrior on opener, to be coherent with tradition slinger..
I mean assuming, you are in the endgame, you have the possibility for the authority to be much superior to old authority, but then, 1 additional mine will give you like 7-8 production, so this could be better in progress cities, which
are better at managing happiness, and has some +3 food.. so yea..
Additional issue, is that, "archetypically" authority should allow you to go wide instead tall, and now, basically you stuck with your capitol..
But just to summarise, i think a little bit scaling from authority into endgame is amazing, but non-capitol cities, are in early game worse then tradition and fare worse then progress..
But then again one thing i didnt consider is balancing around production/gold from culture expansions that you get from "Imperium".. maybe something like 2 culture for border scaler would do the job..
To sumarise, imho non-capitol cities were nerfed 2 much for early game..
That's pretty much my intent with that change. Can just delete it, I don't mind. Makes the eras last longer so you can play in each era (especially Renaissance when most of the tiebreaking begins).
thx
See https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/bare-necessities.645157/ adapted from thecrazyscotsman's Policy Buildings
Just the issue of not being able to use the DLL to change things. Have to adapt.Hej, love the concept, and the fact that authority kinda more scale into the endgame, but i have two tiny issues..
First, for long time i was thinking there is a bug, and tooltip is incorrect, but nothing show in production que.. It turned out that it is in fact added, but to the city production tile, so in production que it is included
but indirectly as production "from the terrian".. When city sumarises all the prodcution, it says "from terrian", "from population", "from buildings", "from religion", sometimes if i recall correctly it says "other sources",
but if it said like "form policies" or at least maybe the wording on policy description should be added, that the "+1 to production on every City tile" or something similar.. it confused me a lot for long time
Early game i didn't noticed, that my capitol tile had 2 production, and 2 should be only on the hill.. I just noticed it later in the game, when my capitol had 11 production on city tile, just then i realised its not a bug..
Authority does allow you to go wide? You should train a lot of units without an issue. Purchase units. Maybe the angle for Progress is to reduce the City Yields to +2 and then make the Finisher grant +1 Food, Production, and +1 Gold in every City... not sure to be honest just testing things.Second issue, but maybe this is just me resisting to adapt xD, usually you opened with authority, to get production boost, so you sacriface, growth/gp that you could get from tradition or good/gold/science that you could get from progress..
..to get the production, so that you could build more army and develop cities.. Now you only have it in the capitol, but other cities suffer tremendously..
I mean, ok, regarding capitol it seems fair.. since about second city+barracks, you can have 10 units, so with authority finisher capitol can have 7-8 production, so its even better then old authority..
But same 10 units will give u 1 production it other cities, which for early game is fare worse then +3 from progress.. So im thinking, now actually best opener on higher difficulty would be probably progress into authority..
To get production boost outside capitol, to reach values presented in progress you would have to get like 30 units, so this is like 5-6 decently developed cities..
To get benefits from authority, you need army, and with current state, practically only your capitol can build it..
I believe progress was buffed before to from +2p to +3p, to probably balance authority, so maybe now progress should go back to +2p, and authority got like +2p in every city on opener.
Then on reaching 10 units, it will have +3p comparing to +2p on progress, which is not that much considering progress have also free worker and 15% towards buildings..
Hmm, maybe then authority would need some percentage production towards units? Units are like mobile buildings, at least when you consider their prize
Or maybe free warrior on opener, to be coherent with tradition slinger..
I mean assuming, you are in the endgame, you have the possibility for the authority to be much superior to old authority, but then, 1 additional mine will give you like 7-8 production, so this could be better in progress cities, which
are better at managing happiness, and has some +3 food.. so yea..
Additional issue, is that, "archetypically" authority should allow you to go wide instead tall, and now, basically you stuck with your capitol..
But just to summarise, i think a little bit scaling from authority into endgame is amazing, but non-capitol cities, are in early game worse then tradition and fare worse then progress..
But then again one thing i didnt consider is balancing around production/gold from culture expansions that you get from "Imperium".. maybe something like 2 culture for border scaler would do the job..
I assumed this was always the case considering Palace Economy was the main model of the ancient world.
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Im starting to seeing this, Authority was kinda no-brainer for me for longer time, due to production boost, which helped to develop cities.. which is rather not intended..
And i kinda was starting to think i could have took progress for more reliable production early game, but then, i honestly cant play without endurance (15HP on kill),
so when "in fight" Authority is superior to Tradition and Progress, and now this choice is more obvious and meaningful..
But in current state Authority opener seems like too fragile for me.. Ok, you get culture and science from kills, but its not enough to keep-up with progress openers..
So in the domain of developing cities you don't have much except production/gold on border growth, but then again no real good sources of border growth.. again im speaking non-capital..
And yea, domination means conquering, and historically it was economically justified.. Hmm, im thinking, maybe some scaler to border growth per each
military unit inside borders of the city? The more military units in the city, the more city "grabs" surrounding tiles..
(Hmm, maybe like 1-2 flat border growth per unit within city borders would solve those temporary issues?)
Im just thinking out loud
Economy is a foundation to keep healthy army, which needs money and production.. Hmm, maybe like 15% military production on Honour, would be in line with 15% buildings production on progress..
But then again, you dont want "over do" since authority may be too powerful late game..
Also for very long time i have problem to keep up with AI and timing of first worker and developing tiles, would be unjustified to do something like: worker gets 25-50% boost when on same tile with military unit?
This way, not directly army could help to improve those strategic resources, and compensate focusing on army instead development..
The way im seeing those openers is..
Tradition - big cities, lots of people with lots of great people
Progress - more cities, with good infrastructure and more balance, not focusing on one
Authority - Better army and "strong hand" of the Ruler.. And Im not seeing this "strong hand" in non capital cities..
Historically im seeing Authority kinda like a slavery
So people don't have "the right" to have needs and you rule with army.. so maybe likeadditional reduction of need from military unit in the border of the city? Hmmm.. lets assume for a moment, instead 1 happiness from
Barracks, you get -10% reduction from needs per military unit on the city border.. would that be OP? Well, maybe 5% then..
Ok, so you can have more cities but then again you need 2-3 units in each city borders to keep them calm, so you have army, you can defend, but with
too much cities you cant go to war, since army is needed to secure "calmnes" of your own cities.. Which is technically as in reality..
The more people, the more army you need to keep order.. they are unhappy, but they are doing what they are told, until there is an army to show them their place
Hmm, this would allow you to have more cities then other, but they would not have extra yields, and since you need money for army to keep order, then hey,
if you can sustain it, then go for it
Again, im thinking out loud..
Haha, had those thoughts from some times already, and you touching Authority provoke me to discussion
Any way, im playing your mod and i love it, so eventually Authority is good enough, so you might see me as complaining, but im really not xD
Any way have a nice day, i stole too much of your attention any way
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Version 8
Carthage
Carthage
- Gold Specialist bonus replaced with granting gold from unit promotions.
- Piazza San Marco now generates +1 Faith and reduces Urbanization Unhappiness by 1.
- Piazza San Marco also generates 15 Culture for a Citizen's birth in the Capital, and 50 Golden Age Points when you unlock the policy (Keep with National Monument).
- Murano Glassworks now strengthens Historic Events from completing Trade Routes (A small bonus like 20% of Caravansary's and Harbor's). Its unique property is strengthening Historic Events generated by the Palace (A small bonus of 14% roughly).
- Arsenale di Venezia no longer grants +5 Military Supply or +25% Military Supply from Population. Now grants +10% Military Supply from Population in all Cities and a free Arsenal in the City. It also allows Internal Trade Routes from Venice to generate +4 Production.
- Rialto District now generates +1 Gold from each CS Friend and +2 Gold from each CS Ally.
- Opener now grants +1 Happiness each for every 15 Population in all Cities.
- Justice no longer provides a free Slinger.
- Royal Guardhouse grants the ability to Indirect Strike. (Capital can indirect strike without needing Bastion Fort basically).
- Organization no longer provides +25% Production toward Settlers.
- Equality no longer provides +1 Happiness each for every 15 Population in all Cities.
- Scaler no longer grants +1 Production in the Capital but +1 Border Growth Point in every City.
- Tribute now grants +25% Production toward Settlers, Pioneers, and Colonists.
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I like this one, this is not indirectly scaling production and gold in early city, and at the same time, endgame scaling is trough army size..
This should be overall much less then previously flat production, but early game should be comparable considering first few border growths are relatively quickly..
So basically, around the time, you are stopping to get some money from border growth, which take longer and longer, your army should be enough to give you some production..
And additional benefit, is that your borders in early cities won't be neglected, not to mention, its kinda "unique" in terms of 3 available openers..
I'm honestly excited to do a test run xD
One note thou..
"Opener grants +1 Production in every City for every 10 Military Units in the Empire."
I'm not sure this should be in the opener, otherwise its just worth to much to take opener only, same as with Fealty monasteries and reduced buildings faith cost..
Just and idea, if you play around with balance, regarding Fealty, maybe it would be worth to move reduced cost or monasteries to Organized Religion?
This way this node wouldn't be that useless.. i'm only taking it always cause i need the a finisher..
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Revolutionist_8
King
That's a pretty big nerf, are these really justified?
pineappledan
Deity
Yes. People keep saying tradition is weak compared to authority/progress.
Tradition doesn’t need to be buffed. Progress and authority need to be nerfed
Tradition doesn’t need to be buffed. Progress and authority need to be nerfed
In my case from what I've noticed, I've never seen wide civs being able to go 15+ population until it's much much later in the eras like way into Industrial Era. I think a Tradition civ is able to hit 15 population faster than most non-Tradition civs and deserves such a happiness buff. In the case of Equality Nerf, they still get +1 Happiness in every City and the ability to negate A LOT OF UNHAPPINESS that comes from going Wide. Organization only got nerfed because the +3 Production in every City has so much value (back from +2 Production when it was first proposed) and the worst part of Organization to me? It didn't apply to Settler upgrades. It was only exclusively an early-game buff. I rather have Tribute have it (where they get the free Settler as well) and apply it to all its upgrades. Authority civs may raze and those production bonus will come in handy.
Hey Enginseer, I played your mod a few times and I found some bugs.
Here I was playing France, Emperor, Standard Speed / Large Size -1 Civ, No modmods other than VP installed. I guess these errors could be on my end but I have no idea how. Other than that I liked how France played out. I did disable your tech change but I kept everything else. Also this was the newest version of VP so it might have something to do with that.
Spoiler Here I am forced to select a 7th cultural choice before advancing to the second tier of culture picks: :
Spoiler This one was the worst one late game. It pops this error constantly in your cities with certain artifacts: :
Here I was playing France, Emperor, Standard Speed / Large Size -1 Civ, No modmods other than VP installed. I guess these errors could be on my end but I have no idea how. Other than that I liked how France played out. I did disable your tech change but I kept everything else. Also this was the newest version of VP so it might have something to do with that.
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I can't replicate your first problem. Also do you have this?
BornDownUnder
Warlord
For this issue, what era were you in at the time of needing to choose the social policy? The tooltip is suggesting you are not in the Medieval era which bypasses the requirement.
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I don't have time currently but I'll do a fresh install of VP / delete other mods (they aren't active but I'll delete them ) and do a fresh mod install. I'll see if I can replicate the errors I got. I think there is a way to send the game as a bug report or something I'll look into that as well. I'll also check to see what era. I might do a quick game pre fresh install to see if I can replicate and answer BornDownUnder's question about era.
Got this one also, one time, was just about to pick fealty opener, but was before medieval. Usually i play with, option that allows you take policy later, but this time i wasn't..
Not sure about "load texture" error, but i had sometimes some bug about missing font, usually at very beginning of the game, wasnt figure out whats the problem, but usually, strange enough i just switch to directx9 vs directx11 and usually game start to work, normally few turns after..
Also, usually i can hit "enter" few times, and the button is pressed and eventually you can continue.. not always, but every time i had this and managed to pass trough, it turned out to be "one time thing"..
I think im kinda unable to compete with AIs with authority opener on Immortal.. When you have about 2-3 policies, your 2nd or 3rd city have initially 1 production, when found on flat land, vs 4p with progress opener, 1-2 additional culture for border growth is not gonna cut it here.. Later, even if you manage to get even 4-5 production in all cities due to army size, its not matter, since this is usually a one citizen working on mine with forge in city, so basically, you can easy compete with that by having just 1 citizen more in the city, which you would have with additional 3food and worker, you normally have in progress..
The only time i was managed to make it work is when i did progress opener, took 2 nodes for production, and then two first nodes from authority, but i was assuming i will do progress+authority opener, so i was basically delaying finishers. to have slightly faster opening.. But, im not an expert, so if im doing something wrong, literally i dont know what
Could use "raging barbarians" but with new spawn rates it feels like cheeting
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Version 9
Denmark
Denmark
- Pillaging now grants +5 XP instead of +4 XP.
- Its UA now grants its Sea Promotion to Ranged Naval ships.
- Runestone now grants +25% Production toward Ranged Naval ships.
- Something really missing from Danish's Kit is its ability to wage naval war at all who benefits from gaining a massive HP from pillaging than Ranged Naval ships the most?
- No longer claims adjacent terrain territory.
- Mounted and Armored Units no longer may capture defeated enemies.
- Gains subsequent attack, gaining +10%
Combat Strength, something more appropriate for a Skirmisher-based Civilization. - +1
Gold in all Cities for every Subsequent Attack on enemy cities. - +1
Culture to the Origin City of the Subsequent Attacker on enemy units. - These yields scale with the number of subsequent attacks, so the 4th attack would grant you +3 Culture if done on enemy units or +3 Gold in all Cities if done on enemy cities.
- Abuse the subsequent attack bonuses to inflict maximum war weariness and profit off your enemy's miseries.
- No longer gains a subsequent attack bonus.
- Now gains the Hunnic's Coercion with its Melee and Gunpowder Unit able to enlist defeated enemies instead. These captured units start with 33% of their HP rather than 25% of their HP.
- +1 Culture in every City no longer scales with Odd Era.
- Fixed Tradition Text Bug
- Authority Opener no longer grants +1 Production for every 10 Military Units in Empire.
- Authority Opener grants 50% Science from Killed CS of Enemies.
- Dominance now grants +1 Production for every 10 Military Units in Empire.
- Reworked Authority's Flavoring (helps AI) for their appropriate effects.
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ildivincodino99
Warlord
Love that Denmark buff, naval warfare needed to be buffedVersion 9
Denmark
Huns
- Pillaging now grants +5 XP instead of +4 XP.
- Its UA now grants its Sea Promotion to Ranged Naval ships.
- Runestone now grants +25% Production toward Ranged Naval ships.
- Something really missing from Danish's Kit is its ability to wage naval war at all who benefits from gaining a massive HP from pillaging than Ranged Naval ships the most?
France
- No longer claims adjacent terrain territory.
- Mounted and Armored Units no longer may capture defeated enemies.
- Gains subsequent attack, gaining +10%
- +1
- +1
- These yields scale with the number of subsequent attacks, so the 4th attack would grant you +3
- Abuse the subsequent attack bonuses to inflict maximum war weariness and profit off your enemy's miseries.
Policies
- No longer gains a subsequent attack bonus.
- Now gains the Hunnic's Coercion with its Melee and Gunpowder Unit able to enlist defeated enemies instead. These captured units start with 33% of their HP rather than 25% of their HP.
- +1 Culture in every City no longer scales with Odd Era.
- Fixed Tradition Text Bug
- Authority Opener no longer grants +1 Production for every 10 Military Units in Empire.
- Authority Opener grants 50% Science from Killed CS of Enemies.
- Dominance now grants +1 Production for every 10 Military Units in Empire.
- Reworked Authority's Flavoring (helps AI) for their appropriate effects.
