Enterprise is launched!

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

UPN annouced that it's new Star Trek series, "Enterprise", staring Scott Bakula of quantum Leap fame, will air Wedsdays starting September 26, on the UPN network (such as that is

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Hopefully, this new show will be more like classic trek, and AS FAR AS POSSIBLE different from (Sorry Corn) the truly horrible Voyager. (Although I will admit that the last two seasons of Voyager were quite good).

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[willemvanoranje]

I liked Voyager as well, Alci. Better than DS9!
Well, we'll probably get the series on tv here in about a year or so. If the tv companies aren't too greedy.........Aaagh. There should be a lot of viewers, so...

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[moof]

Alcibiaties of Athenae,

We are just stunned and shocked beyond belief
to hear you make such a statement
about Voyager. Speaking for many who wandered the dessert aimlessly for what seemed
like forty years and was nearly twenty.
Did you hear that ALMOST TWENTY YEARS
with no Star Trek at all except some
cartoons and the Treasured 79 Originals.
And AND most stations only purchased a few dozen of these for reruns.
You can not know how thrilled we were when the local PBS station ran the
whole series in the orginal airing order (one time) and we taped them all on a
one of the very first VCRs.
We personally think DS9 could have been better, but compared what aired
between 1969 & 1987 it was Fantastic.
As for Voyager we thought it was a great series, what few episodes have
made their way out here to the moof sticks.
The Female Captain was all by itself a great breakthru not to mention all the other geart innovations of Voyager, but to speak directly to your point about being more like the Classic Star Trek. We did not get to see much of the last two years of Voyager but as for the balance of the run, but what could be more like classic Treks " We come in Peace but we will kill you at the drop of a hat " than Voyager??????
We realize that you were only half serious in your comment but still from such an
ardent fan as we judge you to be it hurts a little.


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[Graeme the mad]

Whats with all this DS9 bashing - DS9 was far the best star trex - better than that goddman awful voyager by miles.

But if you want a really good scifi babylon 5 was so much better than star trek in every repect

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[moof]

We are loathe to reply to such negativity when profanity is included
all out of proportion to the orginal posts.
We will ask Graeme the mad
to please point out what was being refered to by:

" this DS9 bashing "

as we see no direct derogatory comments about anything but Voyager on this thread.

As for Babalon 5 we are at a loss to explain why we lost interest in it
after the first three years. We will always have a place in our hearts
for our favorite Classic Star Trek:
" The City On The Edge Of Forever "


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[CornMaster]

Don't get me started on DS9!!

"To boldly sit in one place....where no one has sat before!"

It was totally NOT star trek! No boldly going, it contained religious stuff.

I didn't like it at all.

Voyager on the other hand was totally cool!! They WERE where no one had been before. Although they made the Borg look like teddy bears (Which really pisses me off, but what can you do)

Anyway....Voyager = good
DS9 = boring (Until the war started...then it got a little better)

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[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Excellent, some of you are actually debating Trek again.

Go back and watch the first 3 seasons of Voyager, it is truly horrible, with shallow and stupid characters in sub-par plots and forgetable villians.

Janeway was the most inane Captain ever in a Trek series, and often came off as whiney and preachy.
This series was only saved by the arrival of Jeri Ryan, whose character 7 of 9 brought much needed human interest and sex appeal to the show, which was drival before that.
Neelex might be the worst SF character ever, with the exception of Jar Jar Binks, but it's close.
Paris was an arrogant punk through most of the run, with the exception of the last two seasons, and his wife B'lanna was an anti-social bore. Chakotai was so boring it's surprising Beltran stood awake long enough to read his lines. Harry kim showed some potenial, yet he has still acting like a green ensign in the last season!
Tuvok set Vulcans back centuries, starting back in season one, when he was tortured, yet cried like a baby, even though Spock once said NO Vulcan would ever do so.

I don't even remember the name of the girl before Seven, which shows what I thought of the Ocompa.
The best character over the length of the series was the doctor, but everyone, even the writers missed the point with holograms being alive, a concept that is silly (It was first introduced in STTNG, Moriarty, a Sherlock Holmes villian is brought to life), for it's the ship's computer that did the thinking, not the hologram.
I would have deleated him at the first sign of foolishness, lifeform indeed!
Corn hit on a major problem, they used the Borg so much that they became just another villian, instead of the frightening aliens of "The best of both worlds".
NONE of the races created by this series were particularly memorable, but it wasn't all bad.
The final two seasons were excellent, with good plots and character development. Long gone were stupid villians like those guys from the first year with the bad hair!
Plus they ended this series on the correct note, with the ship making it home.

I'll talk about DS9 some other time, but I will say that it was FAR more entertaining in it's run then Voyager EVER was, with a much stronger cast, and much better writers then UPN's half-assed Trek.

It looks like the new series has gone back to Kirk type adventure series, but hopefully keep the maturity of STTNG, and avoid the boredom of Voyager.

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[Leowind]

Did you say Wednesdays!?!? They damn well better not be planning to run it at the same time as West Wing!!!!!!! Just my luck, the only two shows I plan on watching, and they're on the same night. If Enterprise is on at 8:00, I'm okay (though I'll have to be sure to be home from Bell Choir rehearsal in time). Just don't mess with my West Wing.

As for the debates, I lost track of Voyager for awhile, then started watching again the last couple years, but wasn't horribly impressed. Too many easy fix endings. The final episode was fantastic, however. One of the best trek episodes of any series IMHO. I thought DS9 was very well written and a great concept. I actually liked it better than STTNG. Unfortunately, the very concept-stuck in one place-made it diffucult to continue the series for very long and still be interesting. It will be interesting to see how Bakulu does as a captian.

 

[kundor]

Just to put in my two cents...
Deep Space 9 was a low point of Star Trek. It wasn't science fiction; it was a soap opera filled with pseudo-religion. The focus on character forgets what star trek is about: It's SCIENCE FICTION meant to show us possible futures, paths that could have been taken, and what we can do about it. Voyager was perhaps not consistently as good as TNG, but it had some truly great concepts and shows, with some aliens greater departures than a new forehead wrinkle (though not all.) In fact, I might rate Voyager the best Star Trek so far, though I haven't seen much of TNG, because TOS could get really bad (remember the Spock's Brain show?)

And as far as the topic goes, I have high hopes for Enterprise, though I have high hopes for all new shows. I just hope they don't make it interminable in-jokes, which would be annoying, though it's what I'd do if I was a writer

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[PinkyGen]

DS9 sucked until they brought in the Dominion and the Klingons. It really started getting good when the Klingon's invaded Cardassia, setting off the events that started the Dominion war.
The war allowed some great sci-fi stories.

 

[Andu Indorin]

You mean Voyager actually got decent after the second season? I pretty much gave up on watching Voyager after the first two seasons -- though, to be honest, the move to Wednesday nights created a conflict with pool leagues. Did see the final episode and thought it rather lame.

Definitely preferred DS9, which started slow but definitely picked up with the addition of the Dominion and the Klingons. (I have a sneaky suspiscion, though, that they started "drawing inspiration" from Babylon 5 -- another series that started slow but evolved into an enjoyable series.)

Looking forward to Enterprise!

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Well, I just saw it tonight, and I will say that the first hour was a 10, and the second hour a 5, so 7.5 overall.

Bakula may well end up being the BEST captain ever, and the Vulcan chick is HOT!

I won't spoil it for anyone, but it looks like a worth while show.

The crew are real people, and the whole thing looks well put together, so thumbs up!

 

[starlifter]

Going in to tonight, I must admit Bakula was at a disadvantage with me because I figured he would not be able to pull it off, based on his other "acting". But he did a great job, and compared to Avery Brooks, of dubious DS9 note, ol' Scotty was outstanding!

"Enterprise" was well balanced, and not over acted, as so much of DS9 was. All the characters seems believable, without being too outrageous or silly. And the general theme that the humans have been under the "thumb" of the Vulcans for alomst 100 years? What an irony, esp. considering they are always the #2 on starships, LOL.

Yup, that Vulcan girl is hot... gotta appreciate that decon rubdown!! Let's hear it for missions and parasites! I think they missed some places to put the creme, though . Someone did not ignore the Jerri Ryan lesson of Voyager.

And for a change, the humans did not kill and destroy every species they met. Anyone catch the method of transmitting secret data used by the Klingons? It was the same one as used in an episode of TNG, called "The Drumhead"... so one would presume the Federation would be aware of it from "now" on .

The bridge of the Enterprise is the best of all, and most functional and realistic, judging from such things as we have in real life in the 21st centurty.

Now we have another trivia question, "Who was the first Star Fleet person transported with the teleporter?" But with the heavy-handed set up in the first hour, you knew it was coming in the 2nd hour .

Just one little question, I must have missed something... why did Archer not RUN and get back to his little alien ship to return with the semi-competent pilot and Klingon? He seems to just stand there because the script called for it, LOL.

But overall, this first episode tops TNG's contrived "Farpoint" permiere, it is better thatn Voyager's, and totally buries that assinine drivel they pawned off as the premiere of DS9 and the "Emissary."

I give it two strong "Thumbs Up", and am looking forward to the rest of the season... something I have not been able to say in the last 3 series premieres!

 

[Magnus]

I enjoyed it. Bakula acted like John Wayne and his cohorts were like Old West cowboys. Its a very 'American' show. I dig it.

(I still kinda wish Bruce Cambell was captain though....)

 

[allan]

I liked it a lot, too. It is set in the early days of Starfleet, when they were just starting to define their role in the universe.... Space indeed WAS (will be? But you know what I mean....) a "frontier" then--harsh, unforgiving, and largely an unknown quantity--and the crew of Bakula's Enterprise are rough and ready for the unknown... not so refined like the later, more "civilized" Federation of Planets (I assume that does not exist yet in this series). Which is entertaining and refreshing, IMHO.... As someone said, the crew are REAL people--very believable--and they remind me of the way my shipmates and I were on the Independence....

I also like that Vulcan science officer--we were quite nicely introduced to her in that decontamination chamber .... (Can't remember her character name but so what? I'll remember it later.)

I like it....

 

[CornMaster]

It was better than I thought.....and I thought it was going to be pretty bad.

I thought = 3/10
It was = +4
Total score = 7/10

Bacula was pretty good as Captian.....but I would also rather have seen Bruce Campbell. But then the show wouldn't be taken seriosully.....he's far too type-casted.

Anyway....looking forward to new episodes!!!

 

[willemvanoranje]

Here the last season of Voyager hasn't even started!

 

[starlifter]

Here the last season of Voyager hasn't even started!

You mean you have not seen Janeway get killed by the Borg in the final Episode yet? Then I better not tell you how the Borg outsmart Janeway and kill her in the last episode when she tried to get home to Earth. So I'll not mention other things either, like how Chakotay and Seven got Married, or how Seven was killed, because you have not seen those episodes and would not want your timeline polluted. So I'll keep quite about it .

 

[shadowdale]

No all of that hasn't been shown on European television - so I'm glad that I ahve the internet and a good download speed.

So I don't mind that your telling me all that because I ahve seen the endgame part 1 & 2 on TV - from the computer by TV-out cable on a good old 32' TV......

:Sniper:

 

[H Tower]

Did anyone make the episodes into a file that can be downloaded yet?? The university i'm at doesn't have upn available in the dorms The guys on my floor almost burned the building down when they learned that upn wasn't available :ripper: :rocket: :rocket2: :rocket3: :ak47: [plasma]