Poland received Germany's lands (historically Polish ones) as compensation for German war crimes against Poland and Poles during WW2. Moreover, there are no Germans in this territory today. So nobody is going to give it back. Polish eastern lands, on the other hand, were stolen from Poland for no good reason. Those were Lithuanians and Ukrainians who massacred local Poles during WW2, so if anything - they should give land to Poland as compensation, not inversely:
1) Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia by Ukrainian national chauvinists:
I'm not exactly the only one who thinks you're nationalistic. I never called Lithuania innocent or defenseless. I don't recall saying the Poles are recent immigrants. And are you seriously calling me pro-Soviet?
But no, let's just keep equating Samogitians and Lithuanians. It's not like there's any difference between them. Lithuanians are just good, decent Poles brainwashed by those evil Samogitians.
Uh, I do distinguish. TLO doesn't post dissertations about Poland in every thread. Nor does he bash Lithuanians while gloating about how Poland once dominated Lithuania. He quit his Polish chauvinism phase years ago. In previous threads involving Lithuania, you've tended to imply that Lithuanians were Polish until Samogitians spread their Samogitian language, as though Auktaitija and other non-Samogitian Lithuanian cultures and languages never existed. You've ignored the substantial differences between Samogitia and the rest of Lithuania. Instead you just attack Lithuanians and their language policies while bragging about Polish political domination over Lithuania. Granted, you may not hate Lithuanians as much as you do Germans, but still.
You are confusing Poland as a country with Lithuanian Poles as a people.
In previous threads involving Lithuania, you've tended to imply that Lithuanians were Polish until Samogitians spread their Samogitian language, as though Aukštaitija and other non-Samogitian Lithuanian cultures and languages never existed.
Uh, I do distinguish. TLO doesn't post dissertations about Poland in every thread. Nor does he bash Lithuanians while gloating about how Poland once dominated Lithuania. He quit his Polish chauvinism phase years ago.
But no, let's just keep equating Samogitians and Lithuanians. It's not like there's any difference between them. Lithuanians are just good, decent Poles brainwashed by those evil Samogitians.
Let's be clear, the Samogitians were the most prominent Lithuanian group (despite being backwater themselves) prior to the 19th century, only group to ever be the majority in their own land, and only Lithuanian group which had their own speakers be part of the nobility. Aukistaitija were only a majority in the forests north of Neman and Neris rivers, which was largely uninhabited. The other groups were even less significant.
The Lithuanian National Revival began in Samogitia, by Samogitian intellectuals. It was called the Samogitian National Revival by contemporaries because back in the 19th century, the word Lithuania and its demonym, Lithuanian, referred to the Slavic speakers of Lithuania whose descendents are Belorussians today. (/or Polish)
This is not to say that there aren't differences between the Lithuanian regions today, or that all Lithuanians are Samogitian clones. Other groups (prominently Aukistaitija, as they were the second largest group) did latch on to the Lithuanian National Revival and are and have been important in modern Lithuania's history. (Also, Aukistaitija is hard to spell. )
Also as regards to the previous thread, I think both you and Domen are forgetting what was actually discussed. {Baltic}Lithuanians always existed, though they weren't called Lithuanians prior to the 19th century. There was significant anti-Polish AND anti-Belorussian Soviet propaganda(note: this started in Imperial Russia) and re-education in Lithuania in regards to its language, history, and national perceptions. There was also significant Polanization of the region over the centuries of Polish rule, but that occurred throughout the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and was largely voluntary cultural dispersion. If you want to attack Poland on anything, attack Poland for its actions against Lithuania in the Second Rzeczpospolita, where Pilsudski and others were quite contemptible towards Lithuania.
Check where was Piłsudski born and where he lived since his childhood. He was born near Wilno and lived in Wilno since he was a small child.
Lucjan Żeligowski (Liucijus Želigovskis) was also born in Lithuania - and he was not only born there, but he actually had ethnic Lithuanian ancestors.
These people incorporated their own homeland to Poland. But at first of course there was Central Lithuania, which decided to unite with Poland.
They were not "contemptible towards Lithuania" - Litva was their homeland, after all. They were native Litvins - both Piłsudski and Żeligowski.
Central Lithuania was NOT a puppet state of Poland. It was as much a puppet state of Poland, as Kosovo is a puppet state of Albania today...
Lithuanian nationalists had a reason to be outraged. Just like Serbians today are outraged that Kosovo - "the cradle of Serbia" - is no longer Serbian.
There were no any war crimes by Poland during the interwar period against these people.
Under German occupation, on the other hand, millions of Polish citizens were killed by Germans.
TLO36 - read about Kosovo and Central Lithuania - the two cases are very similar.
Central Lithuania was not a Polish puppet state. Neither was independent Greater Poland in period 1918 to late 1919 a Polish puppet state - quite the contrary, Piłsudski did not even help Greater Poland in its fight.
Wielkopolska fought for its independence on its own, and then decided to join Poland in 1919.
This is why in 2011 census I declared myself as a Pole and as a Wielkopolanin.
If I lived not in Poznan but in Wilno, I would declare myself as a Pole and as a Litwin.
My dad has relatives in Belarus just across the border - family members who refused to move after WW2. They stayed and had to adopt Belarussian language and culture. They are ethnically Polish, but they don't even speak Polish anymore. Whenever my dad goes to visit them, which isn't very often, they communicate using Russian.
My dad has relatives in Belarus just across the border - family members who refused to move after WW2. They stayed and had to adopt Belarussian language and culture. They are ethnically Polish, but they don't even speak Polish anymore. Whenever my dad goes to visit them, which isn't very often, they communicate using Russian.
My dad has relatives in Belarus just across the border - family members who refused to move after WW2. They stayed and had to adopt Belarussian language and culture. They are ethnically Polish, but they don't even speak Polish anymore. Whenever my dad goes to visit them, which isn't very often, they communicate using Russian.
Most Belarusians claim it themselves, silly . Which does not mean they consider themselves part of the Russian Federation or "Rossiyane". And you should be aware of that very well since obvious reasons.
Btw, I do not care much of the pseudo-historic nationalistic content mixed with some random art you're trying to overstuff me with
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