Then the holocaust wasn't a genocide either; jewish people still exist.
In the same sense, the holocaust wasn't a holocaust (as 'holo' implies complete; likewise some were left so it was incomplete).
[RD] War in Gaza News: Pas de Deux
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In the same sense, the holocaust wasn't a holocaust (as 'holo' implies complete; likewise some were left so it was incomplete).
Senethro
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Thats really slimy, what you're doing here. A quibble over definitions, a sneer at crimes against humanity as being some kind of elitist dabbling unworthy of other concern, and then an extremely stupid question.
Nonetheless, I shall try to answer it: In the fantasy scenario that Britain could deploy, had the total capability, had the professionalism and expectation that peacekeeping efforts could be successful, had exhausted all other reasonable diplomatic avenues that at present it has not even started down, and where Israel's nuclear deterrent was magically gone, yes. There may be a great many other qualifications or conditions possible.
Go on then. What was the point of the question? What is revealed?
Voidwalkin
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The numbers don't line up here, fellas. It's just that simple.
Claims of genocide are rhetorical.
Moderator Action: Enough with the nonsense.
H4run
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You set the criterion quantity that define what constitute a genocide which is "zero", Kyrikaos using a simple absurdum take that criterion and apply it to the Jewish holocaust, and it failed to be defined as genocide, in fact using your standard the word genocide is as real as a unicorn, Kyr easily demonstrate your double standard in a way that even a monkey may understand, yet your answer is, "There's not enough dead babies yet bro, it's that simple".
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Broken_Erika
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Israel warns it will stop aid yacht heading for Gaza
Israel has warned its military will "take whatever measures are necessary" to prevent a boat carrying pro-Palestinian activists and humanitarian aid reaching Gaza.The Madleen yacht is 160 nautical miles from the Gaza Strip and is attempting to challenge Israel's naval blockade of the territory.
Defence Minister Israel Katz said the 12-strong crew, which includes climate protester Greta Thunberg, should turn back and that Israel will act against any attempt to breach the blockade.
The Freedom Flotilla Coalition (FFC) said the vessel, which departed Sicily on Friday, was carrying humanitarian aid and was "prepared for the possibility of an Israeli attack".
Katz said the blockade's purpose was to "prevent the transfer of weapons to Hamas" and was essential to Israel's security as it seeks to destroy the Palestinian armed group Hamas.
He warned in a post on X on Sunday: "I have instructed the IDF [Israel Defense Forces] to act to prevent the 'Madeleine' [sic] hate flotilla from reaching the shores of Gaza - and to take whatever measures are necessary to that end."
Addressing the crew directly, he added: "To the antisemitic Greta and her fellow Hamas propaganda spokespeople, I say clearly: You should turn back - because you will not reach Gaza.
"Israel will act against any attempt to break the blockade or assist terrorist organizations – at sea, in the air, and on land."
The FFC characterised the minister's statement as an example of Israel threatening the unlawful use of force against civilians and "attempting to justify that violence with smears".
"We will not be intimidated. The world is watching," FFC press officer Hay Sha Wiya said.
"The Madleen is a civilian vessel, unarmed and sailing in international waters, carrying humanitarian aid and human rights defenders from across the globe... Israel has no right to obstruct our effort to reach Gaza."
The group added that the vessel had earlier experienced temporary signal jamming, causing its location to appear near Jordan.
The Madleen is carrying a symbolic quantity of aid, including rice and baby formula, the group said.
People from Brazil, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and Turkey are onboard.
Israeli media say its navy is expected to block the boat before it reaches Gaza.
"We will calmly take control of the ship, bring them to Israel, and deport them abroad that same night," an Israeli official told the Jerusalem Post.
In 2010, Israeli commandos killed 10 people when they boarded Turkish ship Mavi Marmara that was leading an aid flotilla towards Gaza.
It is almost 20 months since Israel launched a military campaign in Gaza in response to an unprecedented Hamas-led cross-border attack on Israel, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others were taken hostage.
At least 54,880 people have been killed in Gaza since, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0r1dvlkrxgo
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Israel is banning all journalists from entering Gaza. Obviously, this is because they don't want the world to know what is going on. That's the same reason they don't want the flotilla in gaza. Because the people there will tell the world about what they saw, and they don't want anyone to know what they are donig.
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Even people like Pierce Morgan, who have defended Israel for a long time, have abandoned ship and are calling out ethnic cleansing and genocide for what it is.
EnglishEdward
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It seems they have arrested Greta Thunberg now.
www.theguardian.com
I am not holding my breadth, waiting for Sweden to declare war.
Israel accused of ‘forcibly intercepting’ Gaza aid boat as activists detained – live
Israeli foreign ministry confirms ship under its troops’ control and heading towards Israel
www.theguardian.com
I am not holding my breadth, waiting for Sweden to declare war.
Ordnael
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Guess being a permanently angry professional activist counts for nothing these days!It seems they have arrested Greta Thunberg now.
Israel accused of ‘forcibly intercepting’ Gaza aid boat as activists detained – live
Israeli foreign ministry confirms ship under its troops’ control and heading towards Israel
I am not holding my breadth, waiting for Sweden to declare war.
EnglishEdward
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I guess that is likely the only reason they bothered to board
and capture her, rather than sink the boat and/or shoot her.
and capture her, rather than sink the boat and/or shoot her.
Surprising, given the IDF usually has no problem shooting non-combatants, even from Western countries.
Ordnael
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Like her or not (I don't) I perceive Greta as being some kind of very important beacon in the world of professional and sham activism. You don't want to make a martyr out of her...then again, according to mass media, its not like the IDF is having much self control these days!
Simply put, there is no actual interest in important western governments about Israel eliminating Gaza as a palestinian area. So it looks very likely by now that it will happen.
Broken_Erika
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Palestinians say local gunmen and Israeli forces opened fire near Gaza aid site
Palestinians in Gaza say they were fired on once again as they headed to one of the aid distribution centres run by the Israeli- and US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation on Monday.Witnesses said that for the first time they were fired on by Palestinian gunmen near the GHF site in the Tal al-Sultan area of Rafah, in the south. They also said Israeli troops fired on them.
Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry said six people were killed and 99 injured from areas designated for aid collection.
The Israeli military said it was looking into the reports.
The GHF said the Tal al-Sultan site did not open on Monday and that there were no incidents at two other sites which did hand out aid.
It comes days after Israel's prime minister acknowledged that it was arming Palestinian clans in Gaza who were opposed to Hamas.
Almost every day since the GHF began distributing aid on 26 May, there have been deadly incidents near one or other of the four centres it has so far opened.
Dozens of Palestinians have been killed while approaching one site in the Tal al-Sultan area of Rafah on a route that runs through an Israeli military zone.
In the previous incidents, witnesses have said that Israeli forces opened fire at crowds. The Israeli military has denied that troops fired at civilians within the site, but it has said that troops fired at "suspects" who ignored warning shots and approached them.
In Monday's incident, people at the scene said that Palestinian gunmen shot at them, as well as Israeli forces.
They said the gunmen appeared to be allied with the Israeli forces, as they were operating near them and moved back into an Israeli military zone.
One witness told BBC Arabic's Middle East daily programme that he saw a group of young men dressed in civilian clothes and with their faces completely covered when he arrived in the area to get a box of food aid from the GHF site.
"At first, we thought they might be Palestinian youths helping with the process, but suddenly, they began shooting at us," Hisham Saeed Salem said.
"Even those who managed to get a box of aid were targeted and shot. We still don't know who these attackers are. They took everything from us - some even stole from us during the chaos," he added.
Another man, Mohammed Sakout, said: "Several young men were shot and killed right behind me. I narrowly escaped death - some bullets passed just inches from my head."
"At first, it was the Israeli army that was shooting at civilians. But today, we were shocked to discover the presence of gangs and militias," he added.
At Nasser hospital in the nearby city of Khan Younis, a seriously injured man being treated for a gunshot wound to his neck, Mohammed Kabaga, told the Associated Press: "A group of masked armed men who were organising us starting firing towards us directly."
"We went to get aid. They said to stand in line. We stood in line and suddenly they started shooting at us. While I was standing, I was surprised when a bullet hit me, I got dizzy and fell down," he said.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) told the BBC that it was looking into the reports.
The GHF said in a statement that it opened two sites on Monday in the Saudi neighbourhood of Rafah and Wadi Gaza, in the centre of the Strip, and that "aid distribution at both sites proceeded without incident".
When asked by the BBC about the reports from Tal al-Sultan, a GHF spokesperson said there was "nothing around our sites".
However, a post on the group's Facebook account did say on Monday afternoon that the Tal al-Sultan centre was closed due to the "chaos of the crowds".
The GHF's interim executive director, John Acree, said it had delivered more than 11 million meals over the past two weeks "without an injury or major incident at our distribution sites".
Gaza's health ministry said hospitals had received a total of 127 dead and 1,287 injured people from "areas designated for aid distribution" during the same period.
The GHF, which uses US private security contractors, aims to bypass the UN as the main supplier of aid to Palestinians.
The UN and other aid groups refuse to co-operate with the new system, saying it contravenes the humanitarian principles of neutrality, impartiality, and independence.
They also warn that Gaza's 2.1 million population faces catastrophic levels of hunger after an almost three-month total Israeli blockade that was partially eased three weeks ago.
The US and Israel say the GHF's system will prevent aid being stolen by Hamas, which the group denies doing.
The Israeli military launched a campaign in Gaza in response to the Hamas-led attack on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others were taken hostage.
At least 54,927 people have been killed in Gaza since then, according to the territory's health ministry.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c79e0zxy2lro
Broken_Erika
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Canada, allies sanctioning 2 Israeli ministers over Gaza comments
Several countries freeze assets, impose travel bans on Ben-Gvir and Smotrich
Britain and other allies imposed sanctions on two far-right Israeli ministers, Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, on Tuesday over "their repeated incitements of violence against Palestinian communities," the U.K.'s foreign ministry said.Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Norway joined Britain in freezing the assets and imposing travel bans on Israel's National Security Minister Ben-Gvir — a West Bank settler — and Finance Minister Smotrich.
"Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich have incited extremist violence and serious abuses of Palestinian human rights. These actions are not acceptable," British Foreign Minister David Lammy, along with the foreign ministers of Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Norway, said in a joint statement.
"This is why we have taken action now to hold those responsible to account."
Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar said the move was "outrageous" and that his government would hold a special meeting early next week to decide how to respond to the "unacceptable decision."
Smotrich, speaking at the inauguration of a new settlement in the Hebron Hills, spoke of "contempt" for Britain's move.
"Britain has already tried once to prevent us from settling the cradle of our homeland, and we cannot do it again. We are determined, God willing, to continue building," he said.
Britain, like other European countries, has been increasing pressure on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government to end the blockade on aid into Gaza, where international experts have said famine is imminent.
In Tuesday's joint statement, allies tried to soften the blow by saying Britain reiterated its commitment to continuing "a strong friendship with the people of Israel based on shared ties, values and commitment to security and future."
"We will strive to achieve an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, the immediate release of the remaining hostages by Hamas which can have no future role in the governance of Gaza, a surge in aid and a path to a two-state solution," the statement said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-sanctions-israeli-ministers-1.7556968
Senethro
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For what these guys said, not what the state and military is doing? Huh.
