EU2 AAR: Granada

Nicely going, Till!

You can vassalize Morocco, even if you're not the leader of the alliance.

After destroying Roussillon-conquerers and making peace with France, you could advance to Aragon's Italian allies. Their provinces are rich.
 
Great to see you managed to hold off the French!

The sea battles you were losing - is your navy full of warships (and not galleys)? And do you have any maps over western Africa? Some colonization there could be an alternative to military expansion (when the required funds and settlers come in, that is).

By the way, Sultan Tillothy looks very much like Mehmed II! :D
 
I have about 20 warships, 8 galleons and 4 transport ships, i think. The actual number might vary, but the bulk of the fleet are warships. I have some maps of western and central Africa. Morocco has already claimed much of the west, though. And i don't think i have any settlers to begin with! Will check that later, though.

Mehmed II? Never heard of the guy! Surely an imposter! :mischief:
It's incredibly hard to find portraits, or indeed any non architectural pictures of Al Andalus and its rulers.
 
I've found that nations who have a vassal themselves are very unlikely to accept to become vassals of a third nation, unless forced to.
 
Good work Till :thumbsup:

Very good expansion, Europe looks suitably split apart compared to your empire - ripe for the taking, I'd say. Scotland seems to be surviving :mischief:
 
1471-1483: Europe's Unwanted Child

The story picks up, after a longish break for commercials, in 1471. Aragon had just taken a beating and agreed to a peace treaty, in which it promised to cover for some of Granada's expenses.
France had a huge, technological advanced, army in Rousillion and was trying to take the province by siege. The Sultan was very annoyed and bored by this, as wars with both nations come up unfailingly, once the last peace treaty expired. Just like in the past, Granada's army waited in Gerona, waited for France to give her an opening to liberate Rousillion.

This time, the opening didn't come fast enough, and the province fell for the first time. However, France was entangled in a war with England and couldn't press on with full strength. A couple of battles (with mixed outcome) later, Rousillion was in Granada's possession again. No more French troops were on Iberian soil.
This was fortunate, as enemies from within took it upon themselves to keep the army occupied:

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"Rebellion in a mountainious region." translated to "AAAARGH!" in Arabic.

Attempts to lift the siege resulted in heavy casulties, and eventually the Sultan had to accept that he would just have to wait until the rebels moved to a region more suitable for battle. All the while, the war with France was still on, even though it had mostly turned phoney. France had her hands full to get the English out of Provence, and Granada had no interest what to ever to get into the way of the formidable French armies. In 1473, the long awaited peace offer finally arrived:

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Exactly the same as the last 4, i believe.


To make 1473 an even better year, the rebels were killed in Andalusia and a heir to the crown resulted in +1 stability. The years until 1476 were spend with the promotion of bailiffs. By 1476, every province had one - even the Azores. In the same year, rebels felt like stirring up trouble again, but the Sultan struck lucky, as the nitwits picked Aragon as base, where the army was stationed!

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One of the shortest revolts in Granadian history.

In 1477, slightly behind schedule, Aragon and her allies declared war again. Catalonia was invaded and layed under siege with little resistance. Meanwhile, the ex-Portuguese now Granadian, navy patrolled the coast and engaged some of Aragon's Italian allies. With very mixed success. Given that no fleet approached the size of Granada's (19 warships), complete victory was expected in every battle. But not so! More than once 4 Italian galleys send off the entire fleet! This made the Sultan very worried about falling behind in naval technology... (Italians are at level 3-4, i am at level 2).

But not only Aragon was looking for action, for the first time and utterly unprovoked, Milan declared war as well! The wars dragged out until 1779, when Aragon made peace, parting with 102 gold. There hadn't been much actual fighting with Milan besides sea battles, but when they offered peace in 1480, demanding a tribute of 23 gold, i took it. The bastards had sunked a couple of my expensive warships and i didn't want to lose any more.

Things cooled down again, until Granada hit a streak of horrible events in the period from 1481-3:

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Andalusia is suitable for cavalry and i was puting research into stability anyway. Could Will be worse.


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Wah...arghhh!


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Nooo, not Granada again! Rebels in mountains are such a pain in the (/%&(!


The Sultan hasen't yet cleared up all these misfortunes, but Granada's army has suffered more through them, then through the last few wars. Due to the stability loss, income is low as well. Only thing missing to complete the picture, is a declaration of war by France.

On the brightside, i think i reached the end of Granada's event file, which means no more planned unpleasantnesses!

Edit:

A curious note on my alliance:

The leader is Tlemenc, which is a vassal of Tunesia, which is a vassal of Morocco!
 
Great update :goodjob:! Good to see the AAR continued :).

All the rebel-events are sure a pain. Hopefully, as you said, you won't get those any more!

If you have many problems with revolts due to religion (Heretics-events), going narrowminded could help you. The drawback is more expensive techs.

Where do you plan to expand next?
 
I'm already fully narrowminded, as i am hoping for conversion events to up my income. Compared to the provinces in your AAR, i am making a pittance. Rousillion actually only brings in 9 Gold or so and is hardly worth keeping, from an economic perspective.
I actually thought i had taken a screenshot of my domestic settings, but it was nowhere to be found, when i wrote the report.

BB-Rating is around 24 now, so it is still a bit early to expand. I'd rather not get "suprise" DOWs by France, when my army is busy elsewhere! The most profitable direction of expansion would probably be North Africa, but that would mean killing my alliance. I am not sure if i can actually diplo annex Morocco without being leader of the alliance. Is that possible?

The alternative would be to wipe out Aragon, now called Spain. Their remaining Iberian province is a breeze to take, but in order to annex it, i'd have to take a couple of Mediterranean islands as well. This path would mean military annexation, which would be BB- heavy. I'd love to get rid of Spain for good, but spending another 20-30 getting pounded by France, without being allowed to fight back, takes a little from the thrill... ;)
 
A good thing with Rousillion in your case is the strategic good location. It looks like France have major problems getting past that province! So it could be wise to keep it.

You can diploannex without being the alliance leader. But you can't vassalize (I think) Morocco now since they got vassals themselves, and thereby you can't diploannex them :(. So the best alternative to get their provinces is... war! ;)

The only option to take out Spain is forceannexing, since diploannexing doesn't work (unsure here too) with nations with other religion than yours.
 
Yeah, I didn't realise that too until a recent game. Got the vassalization through war, then realised it was possible to diplo-annex after 10 years (?), during which time I spent making them like me. Worked a treat :)
 
Consolidation after hibernation
I promised not to let this one die!

Introduction:

It was October in the year 1483 of the prophet Isa. The Emirate of Granada had enjoyed a peaceful year thus far. By its own standards, that is! For not all was well in the realm. Rebels battered against the red walls of the Alhambra and the mysterious African kingdoms of Songhai, Ashanti, and Benin had declared war on Granada. To the common man these names meant nothing, and nobody knew what power or intentions these kingdoms had.

Known, however, was the strength of Granada's main enemies: France and accursed Spain. Like a cancer, France had rapidly grown to a size rivalling Granada's. But where the Iberians strength was handicapped by religious and cultural differences within the realm, France was largely homogeneous. This gave France a stronger, better equipped, military, and the economic strength to fuel it. Should the hostility between the two countries escalate to war, Granada would be in dire straits indeed.

In contrast, Spain was a cripple which stubbornly refused to die. Her power in Iberia was shattered, but Catelonia was still hers. Only by conquering all of Spain's scattered holdings would the Sultan be able to finally complete the Muslim conquest of Iberia. Thus far, his - and his predecessors' - hands had been full with defending what he had. There was no spare strength left to send to battle far away from the heartland.

The situation in numbers:

Bad Boy rating: 24,1

Stability: -2


Relations:

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Military:

* 11 warships in the Mediterranean Sea.
* 8,000 cavalry in Iberia.
* 1,500 cavalry on the Azores.
* 3,000 cavalry on the Baleares.

Military Alliance with: Morocco
Vassals: Guyenne

Main enemies:

Spain
Allied with Papal States, Brittany, Naples, Tuscany, and Sienna.
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France
Allied with Bourbonnais (also a vassal), Mainz, Mantua, Berg, Modena. No casus belli against us at the moment.
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Timeline:

Luck had not been with Granada lately. The last emir's love scandal and capture by the infidels had made Granada look weak and ridiculous. Some Granadians expressed their outrage by revolting and laying siege to the core province Granada.

Given Granada's rocky nature, rooting them out out would prove difficult and costly. The Emir was at loathe to sacrifice any more men than necessary, and thus decided to wait until the rebels came out of the mountains. They wouldn't come out until the province was completely in their hands, of course, but temporal loss of the capital seemed preferable to losing thousands of expensive cavalrymen.

Granada fell in June 1484. This easy victory inflated the self confidence of the rebels, and they marched on to neighbouring Andalusia. When their host had assembled on the province's plains, the Emir's army descended upon them. None of the rebels survived, while losses on Granada's side were marginal.
But just when was ready to siege defenceless Granada, news came in from the western end of the empire:

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Hah! Roussilion a Muslim province! How that must irk the French infidels!

But what to do now? Win Granada back, or crush the rebels in Roussillion? Rebels in the Alhambra were a national disgrace, but smoking them out would take time. Maybe long enough for Roussillion to fall. A frightening scenario, given that France was desperately looking for an excuse to annex it.

It was decided to crush the rebels first, and deal with Granada later. The rebel scum proved to be ruthless fighters, quite capable of dealing death to Granada's cavalry. In the end, however, they all lay slain and the emir was free to concentrate on winning his capital back. 2000 new horsemen were ordered to replace the losses and the siege of Granada began in January 1485. In order to be able to storm castles in the future, training began for 3000 would be men at arms.

But just when it seemed like the emir was finally getting a handle on the situation, fate struck again. It struck in the form of a declaration of war by Spain! Before the emir could react, Spain's ally Naples had already began to siege Roussillon. Spain moved her host to Gerona and began a siege. Again the sultan was faced with a choice between winning his capital back, or meeting hostile forces on the field.

This time, he opted to finish the siege first. By January 1486, Granada was under Granadian control again. The price for this success was the loss of Gerona to Spain. Rather than freeing them right away, it was decided to conquer Catalonia fist. Meanwhile Granada's navy had been involved in fierce battles with Spain's Italian allies. Their ships were more advanced than Granada's which often gave them victory. Eventually Naples succeeded in landing troops on the Baleares. Not enough for a siege, however, thanks to the determined opposition of the island's defenders.

In October 1487 Catalonia fell, and the army moved on to liberate Gerona. The Spanish troops there were easily defeated thanks to a superior number of cavalry. By September 1488, Gerona was liberated. The host moved on to Roussillon, from which Naples had withdrawn.

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A blessing or a curse?

The next year started with a shock, when the emir abdicated! He explained the reason for his baffling decision were a "string of defeats at the hand" of the Spanish monarch. Nobody could quite imagine what he meant with that, given that the war had went acceptable, and the only major defeats were inflicted by Naples' navy. (I think this was the last Granada specific event. What a relief!)

With the new emir came increased stability, which he promptly used to give his subjects more rights. It was bad enough that Granada's armed forces had to fight with obsolete equipment and tactics - they shouldn't also have to suffer a morale penalty for being serfs. The year ended with the re-capture of Roussillon. Finally all provinces were under Granadian control again!

Well, the Baleares were still ravished by plunderers from Naples. It took until July 1490 to root them out. Spain would hear nothing about peace talks, so the emir hatched a daring plot:

For the first time in the nation's history, Granadian soldiers were to take the battle to Spain's allies. 8,000 cavalrymen embarked and were shipped to Siena in Italy. Siena was poorly defended and the local garrison was quickly dealt with. The Granadian general found Italy in chaos, with England and France fighting against Italian factions, and Italian factions fighting among themselves.
After looting Siena, they went on to Rome. The Eternal City was better defended, but they still had to yield in the end. While the army wasn't strong enough to siege Rome, it freely plundered the province!

Over the next couple of years, the Granadian expedition force defeated countless Spanish-Italian armies. This took a toll on them as well, however, and by 1493 only some 3,000 were left. But Spain was now finally ready for peace:

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Peace at last!

The emir accepted without a second thought. While he didn't doubt that Spain would attack again as soon as the trunce ended, he had a feeling that Granada's internal problems were finally at an end. Granada would be stronger in five years, while Spain's power would continue to stagnate.



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The current balance of power.


The situation in numbers:

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Bad Boy score: 22,7
Stability: 1
Treasury: 104

Research:
Land -> Late Medieval 3. Due in 1495
Naval -> Late Medieval 3. Due in 1495
Trade -> Late Renaissance 3. Due in 1661
Infrastructure -> Early Baroque 4. Due in 1804


Where to go next?​

Assuming France continues to leaves us be, we may be able to something beyond mere survival. The following options occurred to me:

Option 1: Tripolis
Tripolis is an independent one city state. Relations are +70 at the moment, and Tripolis is member of no alliance. With some bribery, we may be able to lure them in, setting them on the path to vassalage.
Advantage: Next to no military risk. Tripolis is a Muslim nation.
Disadvantage: Costly bribes with no guaranteed payoff. The Tripolis itself has little strategic relevance that i can see, and it would be hard to defend. Income is low.

Option 2:Tlemcen
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Tlemcen is a former ally, then a former vassal of our ally, and now independent. We could either attempt to win them back, or try to crush them. They currently hold one province in Iberia (Bearn), which has Medium Income. It shouldn't be hard to capture. Northern Africa is the natural choice of future expansion, since our income from there wouldn't be slashes by religious and cultural differences.
Problems:
* We have Military Access with them. Cancelling it would cost us stability.
* Further upping our Bad Boy score would risk incurring the wrath of France.
* We only have a time frame of about 5 years before the treaty with Spain runs out and they will declare war again.


Option 3: Spain
They will never give up. While Spain is no threat on her own, she has powerful allies. Namely, the Papal States and Naples. Both can rise impressive armies which would cause a serious headache, if they managed to transport them to Iberia.
So we either have to wait for Spain's alliance to fall apart, or we have to take them out. This would mean at least one amphibious assault onto a well defended rocky island (Sardinia). I have never done this and would welcome advise.

Option 4: Granada
All provinces save the Baleares have bailiffs, but we could invest into speeding up research. Or save money to pay back loans. We currently have two, one due in 1494 and one in 1495. If we cut spending now, we might be able to pay back the '95 one.

Option 5:
Something i haven't thought of.

Feel free to give input on the best course of action and help shape the future of Granada and Europe!
 
Nice AAR update, Till. :)

Option 4 would be my choice. After paying your loans back, I see three options.
1) Wait until Spanish explorers discover America, then conquer Spain and colonize America. :D
2) Wait until some big war breaks out in Europe and take what is rightfully yours.
3) Conquer Genoa! It has a CoT, if you could get Morocco conquer Corsica you could take Genoa.
 
Great to see this back, Till, and a very good update too. :) I agree with Hitti - focus on your own realm until you have paid your loans back. If you struggle with low income, you could get more centralized, as this increases your income somewhat.

Spain having their capital in Catalonia is both a blessing and a curse. If they manage to explore America, you can easily get their maps by capturing their capital. On the other side, you will have a very hard time getting the province. If you don't think it's too gamey, you could edit the save file, and move their capital to Sicily or somewhere else.

Option 2 could also be interesting. I suggest get friendly with them, and bring them back to your alliance. It's so much easier than fighting them, and you don't get any more BB.
 
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