Gelion
Retired Captain
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Any point to the conversation? 
Some comments on nations forming. In every single game I've played where I have not influenced events, France, Russia and Spain have always formed. The only exceptions being a game as the English where I wiped out the French and a game as Sweden where I stopped Muscowy before they could establish themselves.
Ireland usually ends up being divided between random nations, scandanavia tends to remain separate although in one game Sweden had taken over Norway... It looks like if the Ottomans are ever to be powerful they need to take over Thrace since in the long term they tend to get pushed back after too many wars.
Oh and after reading the paradox forums, it looks like it wasn't just me and in fact Venice is harder to play as then it looks.
I still can't decide whether the AI is weak on EU2 or if that just makes the game more realistic...
Currently playing as Milan and have united northern Italy, Venice is my vassel and we just started a war against a large but collapsing Burgundy empire. We should win since France are also part of the alliance.
Some comments on nations forming. In every single game I've played where I have not influenced events, France, Russia and Spain have always formed. The only exceptions being a game as the English where I wiped out the French and a game as Sweden where I stopped Muscowy before they could establish themselves.
Ireland usually ends up being divided between random nations, scandanavia tends to remain separate although in one game Sweden had taken over Norway... It looks like if the Ottomans are ever to be powerful they need to take over Thrace since in the long term they tend to get pushed back after too many wars.
Oh and after reading the paradox forums, it looks like it wasn't just me and in fact Venice is harder to play as then it looks.
I still can't decide whether the AI is weak on EU2 or if that just makes the game more realistic...
Currently playing as Milan and have united northern Italy, Venice is my vassel and we just started a war against a large but collapsing Burgundy empire. We should win since France are also part of the alliance.
Gelion
Retired Captain
@Dell19
One question: Do you have rebels off? (alba). It is very difficult to create a large empire if all the parts want to break apart due to religious, cultural and other reasons. That is why I like playing Byzantine.
I always have greater Spain, France and Austria in my games. Russia rarely ever forms in my games I've only seen it once and it didn't colonize Syberia. I guess this particular forming is impossible for the AI. Turks usually take the "2 halfs" of Byzantine Empire (Balkans and Asia Minor), but never fight with Mameluks. Interestingly agressive nations ruin their reputaion very quickly and eventually split into parts due to continuous wars.
I never tryed any small nation (1 province) except for Croatia. By 1509 I ended up uniting all Southern Slavs. Venice is a nice start if you can protect yourself from Hungary and Austria. I think I will try the Papal State or Toskana in my new game.
@McDread
Nice idea I will do that in my new game. You may want to try making a new Roman Empire with the remains of Byzantium. Its a difficult start, but around 40 national provinces are worth it 
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@Immortal
How much of the Byzanitne Empire were you able to restore? And what is Victoira, can we have a link, plz?
One question: Do you have rebels off? (alba). It is very difficult to create a large empire if all the parts want to break apart due to religious, cultural and other reasons. That is why I like playing Byzantine.
I always have greater Spain, France and Austria in my games. Russia rarely ever forms in my games I've only seen it once and it didn't colonize Syberia. I guess this particular forming is impossible for the AI. Turks usually take the "2 halfs" of Byzantine Empire (Balkans and Asia Minor), but never fight with Mameluks. Interestingly agressive nations ruin their reputaion very quickly and eventually split into parts due to continuous wars.
I never tryed any small nation (1 province) except for Croatia
. By 1509 I ended up uniting all Southern Slavs. Venice is a nice start if you can protect yourself from Hungary and Austria. I think I will try the Papal State or Toskana in my new game.@McDread
Nice idea
I will do that in my new game. You may want to try making a new Roman Empire with the remains of Byzantium. Its a difficult start, but around 40 national provinces are worth it .@Immortal
How much of the Byzanitne Empire were you able to restore? And what is Victoira, can we have a link, plz?
Sarevok
Civ3 Scenario Creator
I have a game as Brandenburg and I have completely unified Germany by the late 1500's (took that long because I didnt want a terrible rep). I will tell you right now that a united Germany cant lose a war, period.
Gelion
Retired Captain
Picy picy?
France may not be at its strongest but it had huge armies and was generally in an alliance with Austria...
@Gelion - No I play with rebels on which kind of sucks with the recent patch (1.08) as rebels start at the same tech level so they can be a pain to wipe out.
Also I'm not sure if Russia actually colonises Siberia because I cannot see the corridor usually in my games, what I meant was that they usually gain all the western mongol lands and a chunk of lithuania.
Also where is MCdread's post "@McDread"?
@Gelion - No I play with rebels on which kind of sucks with the recent patch (1.08) as rebels start at the same tech level so they can be a pain to wipe out.
Also I'm not sure if Russia actually colonises Siberia because I cannot see the corridor usually in my games, what I meant was that they usually gain all the western mongol lands and a chunk of lithuania.
Also where is MCdread's post "@McDread"?
Gelion
Retired Captain
Thank you for the info I will not update my game now . In my games Russia usually turned Eastwards, but I can always see if she colonised Syberia, beacuse I usually discover Syberia (the state) through diplomacy.
McDreads post was in Italia thread. Hope he/she come here though. The more the merrier .
As soon as I fix the new bug in my EU I'll post my Byzantine Empire pic...
. In my games Russia usually turned Eastwards, but I can always see if she colonised Syberia, beacuse I usually discover Syberia (the state) through diplomacy.McDreads post was in Italia thread
. Hope he/she come here though. The more the merrier .As soon as I fix the new bug in my EU I'll post my Byzantine Empire pic...
MCdread is a he...
I've found out that France seems to like wars. Since I allied with them, I've been taken into two wars against England and two against Auvergne. Venice started the war against Burgundy but at least it helps my BB rating since I'm not the one fighting.
In the first war against Auvergne I gained their second province which is now completely surrounded by France, then there was the Burgundy war where I gained two provinces although it should have been alot more. The second Auvergne war saw France annex them and I gained Naples off the Papel states although if France had been less eager for peace then Apulia would have been mine as well. Now we have just started the second England war which I plan on doing nothing in except defend.
And that all happened in less than 10 years... Comedy moment, Hellas has a rebel army in it which is a 1000 short of a siege so I have left it, yet that didn't stop the province that the same rebel army had taken defecting to me from the Ottomans.
I've found out that France seems to like wars. Since I allied with them, I've been taken into two wars against England and two against Auvergne. Venice started the war against Burgundy but at least it helps my BB rating since I'm not the one fighting.
In the first war against Auvergne I gained their second province which is now completely surrounded by France, then there was the Burgundy war where I gained two provinces although it should have been alot more. The second Auvergne war saw France annex them and I gained Naples off the Papel states although if France had been less eager for peace then Apulia would have been mine as well. Now we have just started the second England war which I plan on doing nothing in except defend.
And that all happened in less than 10 years... Comedy moment, Hellas has a rebel army in it which is a 1000 short of a siege so I have left it, yet that didn't stop the province that the same rebel army had taken defecting to me from the Ottomans.
It depends on the type of game as to how much of the map is explorable. There are some campaigns where it spans most of the world - Europe, Asia, North Africa, Some of West Africa, North America, Some of South America. I haven't payed those as much as I have played the "normal" Europe campaigns.Xen said:
Gelion
Retired Captain
Timespan of the main campaign is from 1419 to 1815... But you can start at 1500, 1600 or other ages if you like.
Xen, knowing you I must say that there's a game set in Roman time that is based on EU2. Maybe called soemthing like "Imperium", but I'm not sure.
In EU2 known territoires cover all Europe, whereas in other continents some areas are forever "white" and cannot be played on. You can choose any civ out of 400 (?) on the planet, but its more fun to play European or big nations (Like China or Mughals). Colonization of the New World and Syberia is also possible...
Xen, knowing you I must say that there's a game set in Roman time that is based on EU2. Maybe called soemthing like "Imperium", but I'm not sure.
In EU2 known territoires cover all Europe, whereas in other continents some areas are forever "white" and cannot be played on. You can choose any civ out of 400 (?) on the planet, but its more fun to play European or big nations (Like China or Mughals). Colonization of the New World and Syberia is also possible...
There are 100s of different nations to play as although that doesn't mean that they are all truely playable as some of the African nations really don't have the power base to stop any of the European nations from stomping through because the tech gap will be too wide... There is also a random Fantasia mode where 8 pre selected civs start in their traditional positions and are surrounded by natives. It leads to a very strange but also a very easy game especially if you start as Spain since you get a huge tech bonus over the other civs and the computer can be easily outpaced in colonising even on normal. By the time Ireland had begun colonising England, I had reached Constantinople and southern England...
Milan update, Venice accepted annexation on the first attempt although I've just had a reasonably annoying event where I had to choose an option which bankrupted the nation so that I could remain independant and it also worsened my relations with France and Austria...
Milan update, Venice accepted annexation on the first attempt although I've just had a reasonably annoying event where I had to choose an option which bankrupted the nation so that I could remain independant and it also worsened my relations with France and Austria...
Sarevok
Civ3 Scenario Creator
Ill get a screen of my Prussia game.
Gelion
Retired Captain
My current computer cannot support EU2 video mode. Working on it....
Sarevok
Civ3 Scenario Creator
Gelion
Retired Captain
Thats what I usually do when I want to play Prussia with capital in Berlin. Choose Poland. Fight with both Prussia and Brandenburg. Annex them. Set Prussia free. I assume Sarevok has done the same. Btw very impressive tech results!
Sarevok
Civ3 Scenario Creator
I started at 1419 as Brandenburg. I had a protection treaty with Prussia through the game so that no1 tried to kill them. There is an event that has Brandenburg annex Prussia, then later Brandenburg founds the kingdom of Prussia. That is how Berlin is my capital.
I set Poland free a while ago after Lithuania annexed them. Now I have taken the rest of poland. I have alot of colonies around the globe, especially because Spain was screwed by me (Admiral of the Spanish Armada was a dumb fool and sent the whole thing into the north sea, Only losing 1 ship I sank over 80 spanish ships). Still I have a tendency not to annex but to set nations free. If I had annexed I would own the nations of: Tuscany, Emilia, Milan, Hungary, Serbia, Bosnia, Poland, Kurland, Luxembourg, Lorraine, Burgundy, Bohemia, etc.
Concerning Sweden, Denmark beat them up pretty bad but I kep them alive. We had a grand Protestant alliance with Britain, but they Vasslized and annexed Sweden. Sweden is now a MESS. Off the map are territiries beling to England, Portugal, Betherlands, Lithuania, and even Helvetia.
Im always good with techs
I set Poland free a while ago after Lithuania annexed them. Now I have taken the rest of poland. I have alot of colonies around the globe, especially because Spain was screwed by me (Admiral of the Spanish Armada was a dumb fool and sent the whole thing into the north sea, Only losing 1 ship I sank over 80 spanish ships). Still I have a tendency not to annex but to set nations free. If I had annexed I would own the nations of: Tuscany, Emilia, Milan, Hungary, Serbia, Bosnia, Poland, Kurland, Luxembourg, Lorraine, Burgundy, Bohemia, etc.
Concerning Sweden, Denmark beat them up pretty bad but I kep them alive. We had a grand Protestant alliance with Britain, but they Vasslized and annexed Sweden. Sweden is now a MESS. Off the map are territiries beling to England, Portugal, Betherlands, Lithuania, and even Helvetia.
Im always good with techs
