Euro 2004: Group D
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Hitro
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As much as Arsenal let England win last week?Drunk Master said:
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The Dutch coach already admitted his mistake. My guess is that when he doesn't listen to the complaints of the team all his credit will be gone. I actually think that the players give him a last chance. The roles are reversed.
What really is remarkable about the match, is that we (the Dutch in general - me included) considered the players to be lazy millionaires without passion or interest in the Dutch squad. They showed us that it is not the case. A lot of Dutch now cherish the players that they cursed a week ago. We were very sceptical to say the least. We at least should give Advocaat the credit that he changed that. But his mistakes during the match are seen as unforgivable.
What really is remarkable about the match, is that we (the Dutch in general - me included) considered the players to be lazy millionaires without passion or interest in the Dutch squad. They showed us that it is not the case. A lot of Dutch now cherish the players that they cursed a week ago. We were very sceptical to say the least. We at least should give Advocaat the credit that he changed that. But his mistakes during the match are seen as unforgivable.
Shabbaman
rebuffing the rebels
It's not really those mistakes, but the general ideas behind those mistakes. Those were painful tactical errors, based on a faulty strategy.
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The assistant coach of Holland (Van Hanegem) tells the press that he didn't agree with Advocaat. Van Hanegem (a Dutch football icon, but a weird man) replaced Advocaat in the official press conference 
English reporter: "What will you do next time when Advocaat wants to take out Robben for Bosvelt?"
Van Hanegem: "I will knock him out" (but then in Dutch)
His sense of humor
English reporter: "What will you do next time when Advocaat wants to take out Robben for Bosvelt?"
Van Hanegem: "I will knock him out" (but then in Dutch)
His sense of humor
Dutch supporters have gathered money to buy a ticket for Advocaat to send him back home. 
But I'm not without hope. The Czechs say they're very eager to win, because frankly they have the attitude against Germany as we have.
Besides, Portugal & Germany were in the exact same position four years ago as Czech Republic & Germany are now, and still Portugal knocked te Germans out with 3-0. (Or so I've heard on tv.) And about Nedved not playing: Jouri Mulder said it might even be better, because Nedved might spare himself if he had to play anyway, resulting in a team of 10 men.
All in all, I say our chance of succeeding is 50%.
But I'm not without hope. The Czechs say they're very eager to win, because frankly they have the attitude against Germany as we have.
Besides, Portugal & Germany were in the exact same position four years ago as Czech Republic & Germany are now, and still Portugal knocked te Germans out with 3-0. (Or so I've heard on tv.) And about Nedved not playing: Jouri Mulder said it might even be better, because Nedved might spare himself if he had to play anyway, resulting in a team of 10 men.All in all, I say our chance of succeeding is 50%.
"Advocaat na omsteden wissel vogelvrij"
- NRC Handelsblad, 21-06-2004
("Advocaat outlawed after controversial change")
- NRC Handelsblad, 21-06-2004
("Advocaat outlawed after controversial change")
Akka
Moody old mage.
And no one to play the Devil's Advocaat ?
Shabbaman
rebuffing the rebels
Johan Cruyff did.
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Shabbaman said:
Hardly! He was very careful in his wording, but I clearly understood that he disliked the tactical choices of Advocaat. He has done it troughout the tournament (and far before it as well). Cruijff is THE man in Dutch football and he knows that everything he says has an enormous impact. I respect him for the fact that he didn't want to 'kill' Advocaat.
SanPellegrino
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I don't think the Czechs will be easy prey, I have bad memories of the loss vs. the portuguese B-team in 2000.
edit: 2000 posts, OMG, I spent way too much time here
edit: 2000 posts, OMG, I spent way too much time here
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SanPellegrino said:
No you don't
Hitro
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I think it will all be about the attitude the team (the German one) plays with.SanPellegrino said:
By the way, which strikers should play? Kuranyi seems to be set and I'd actually like to see Podolski besides him. I guess Völler will probably play with Bobic again...
Yeah, you suck...
Shabbaman
rebuffing the rebels
Aggie said:
Which was almost the same as playing the devil's advocate.... But hey, they didn't lose qualification by losing of the czechs, but by not beating the Germans. No one expected us to beat the czechs.
SanPellegrino
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ok, maybe I shouldn't complain in the sports forum where only wackos are around
I don't know about Podolski, he didn't play one minute until now and shall save it? maybe that is too big a burden for him.
I don't know about Podolski, he didn't play one minute until now and shall save it? maybe that is too big a burden for him.
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Not worse than Bobic or Brdaric and currently also Klose, which is all that matters to me.Dell19 said:
He is 19 or something and hasn't played much more than half a season yet but scored in about every second game. And that for the team in last place, Cologne.
I don't expert any miracles from him I just think the alternatives aren't better. Bobic shouldn't even be there, Klose is out of form and Brdaric hasn't showed more either.
