Execute Ken Lay? (Enron)

[blackheart]

Spending the money on lawyers is more wasteful than other types of spending. Yes I said that before. But how do you go from there to "its a waste of money". You see no difference between "a waste of money" and "more wasteful"?

What? I didn't talk about wasting money, you did.

No I do not drive. I live in NYC. Well, so what? Each time they speed they pay the fine. i do not see any problem with that. As long as they pay for their sins why should you hold any grudge against them? If they don't pay the fine they go to jail. Once again, I have no interest in reform. I just want the punishment to be equitable.

Because you said fines for speeding are a deterrent. It is to some, but many risk the monetary value for the speed gained.

When did I say its their failure?

"So practically speaking there is no real difference between teh current system which attempts to rehabilitate and fails miserably and one that does not try to rehabilitate at all." = the system isn't a failure

hmmm... I wonder. Can you cogently state what my point A is?

You lost me with your speak of practicality. How isn't there a difference between rehabilitating and not rehabilitating?

Have you shown that logically, yet?

Example: if you're racked with illness, taking medication will speed up recovery than without. Or how about a wound won't clean itself?

So make them hefty. What's stopping you?

I'll repeat my self again. Making fines hefty for such crimes will favor the rich because the have the ability to pay, pay, and pay some more.

For the umpteenth time, how is that different from what we already practice?

You keep making accusations that the rich can currently pay their way out of jail. I'd like to see some proof of this.

You tell me how my system is any different from what we already practice and I will tell you why it is not a flaw.

You and Ram are continually saying that I am not addressing your points. How about you guys address my points for a change. If the current system is so good why don't you answer my previous questions and I repeat...

Why do you think there are more poor people in prison today in America than rich? Why are there more blacks than white? If our justice system is so vaunted and perfect why these disparities?

Because America's legal system isn't perfect, no one claimed it was. But it is a far cry better than giving people the ability to pay their way out of whatever crimes they may commit. How would your system even the discrepencies between blacks and whites in prison?

And your point and poor and rich in prison is moot, because why would prison count be equal over economic classes?

Yet, in the end I will do so. I will show the problems in my system and how it subtlely differs from the existing system. I was just hoping that one of you guys would have done it instead of myself...

It differs alright, although the differences don't make it better.

 

[Kozmos]

Then you're a sad delusional guy who should seek help or seclude yourself from the "hellhole" that is society.

Whatever Iowa man. conscience just holds you back anywai.

 

[blackheart]

Whatever Iowa man. conscience just holds you back anywai.

It defines who I am and fuels what drives me.

 

[malclave]

For example, at a traffic signal, the lights go out, and someone doesn't stop when he should. An accident happens. Someone dies. So, they're indirectly responsible. What about blackouts at night, and someone lights a candle and it causes a fire.

::blink::

So, in the eminent domain case against Wal-mart (Hercules, California)... if any of the current employees die (say, killed by street violence at a time when they'd be at work if Wal-mart was still there), the Hercules City Council is responsible for the death?