Expansion Civilizations

[senor freebie]

What about the Congan empires? Perhaps there needs to be a way to symbolise nomadic people. In numerous parts of the world non-city based people ended up fairly powerful. The Australian Aboriginals in many respects were as effecient at fighting as the British when the British arrived due to good spears. They had more damage at long range then a musket and a second spear could be thrown faster then a second shot from a musket. They were not interested in fighting, merely going about their life as they knew it. But history could have been different as the French demonstrated when meeting them in Tasmania. So perhaps there could be a 'nomadic tribe' which worked slightly similar to a city but couldn't build improvements and never increased its cultural radius beyond the initial 9 squares. These could be settled optionally or perhaps be given the ability to settle after trade with the rest of the world. They wouldn't be a choice as a civilization but merely some variety to the concept of barbarian (which the aboriginals clearly were not).

Also as for Portugal I suspect that might have been a map space related issue. With 18 civilizations and the new rule that cities must be 2 squares apart Spain and Portugal on a huge world map can't fit which makes for a big problem.

 

[gusi]

I think that to choose a new civilisation we really want some interesting special units.

The unit I miss most from civ3 is the beserker. There was just nothing like a fleet of galleys or caravels laden with beserkers invading another country. Specially with the middle ages scenario when beserkers are combined with fast spacious longboats.

Personally I don't see much point in having twenty variations of knights or horsearchers or swordmen. My other favourite civ3 UUs were the Celtic fast svordsman, the Chinese riders and the Ottoman Keshiks.

What could be interesting is a missionary that makes that religion grow faster. Not sure how you'd do this. Perhaps it automatically builds a temple or monastry when used in an opponents city.

I'd rather see more scenarios published than lots of extra civs.

The old Imperium Romanum board game has lots of interesting starts for roman times.

A Philips II game would be insteresting (Habsburgs vs Ottomans vs French vs Brits vs Protestants) in the time of the Armada.

I also liked the 7 scenarios of civ3.

Gus

 

[warlordtheft]

Can someone care to explain why Canada should be a civ? If Canada should be in it then why not South Africa, New Zealand or Montenegro for that matter

I agree, aren't they already americans anyway ? (Ok except maybe the Quebecoix)

 

[Scrambledegg]

I'd love to see Aboriginal Australians! Coz there's nothnig more boring than playing on a huge world map and being like the Chinese and just toddling over to the empty expanses of Australia at the first possible oppurtunity to find it devoid of life, so u can just build a HUGE empuire from the very start. I like to have to work!

Also, Babylon is always interesting, as are African tribes, and I'd love to see the Apache, just for Geronimo's sake!

xXx

 

[SenhorDaGuerra]

So going with your big traders system of approval lets make a Hong Kong and Singapore civilization.

Now that you've realised the folly of that argument lets move onto the next one.

Pure genius! I couldn't have put it better myself.

civs that could be included:

Portugal (discovered most of the known world)
Netherlands
The Moors (once a serious threat to conquering europe)
Maya
Ottomans
Babylonians
Zulu
Scandinavia
Korea
Sumeria


but mostly, if Portugal isnt included i will be dissapointed. Not only did they discover most of the known world, they were the first european country with defined borders, and have the longest alliance in history with england. they once split the world between them and the spanish (treaty of Tordesillas).

Possible Leaders

Dom Afonso Henriques
Henrique the Navigator (not Henry, thats not a portuguese name)

 

[Depravo]

As far as I'm concerned the Moors are already in, as the Arabs. If you want a west Saharan civ, Carthage surely takes precedence.

 

[SJR66]

When I picked up Civ4, I was most surprised not to see a few civs listed. my additions would be;
Portugal
Carthage
Holland
Zulu (the major force in southern Africa at one time)
Vikings

 

[Francophile]

I want new leaders for Spain and Japan. They always end up small and insignificant in ALL of my games because of their stupid leaders' traits.

 

[loui89]

I personally would like to see more scenarios than civs, for example WW1 and WW2 in europe, so you could play as a european country in either war.... spanish armada, play as either france, england or spain and playout that time period during the spanish armada. also since we now religion we could have the crusades as well and play as individual countries that are in religious alliance.

but in addition, i would like to see the scotts and celts be added to the civs

 

[Cliffff41]

Of all the Civs I miss the Vikings the most. Living just across the river from Minnesota, I loved having them in the game so I could beat the tar out of them.

 

[Green Hawk]

Also as for Portugal I suspect that might have been a map space related issue. With 18 civilizations and the new rule that cities must be 2 squares apart Spain and Portugal on a huge world map can't fit which makes for a big problem.

So you are trying to say that french civ shouldn't be on civ iv, cause they are in the middle of german and spain?
Learn man, Portugal was, since 1415 to 1974, one of the largest empire in the world, our culture is currently the 3td in the ocident civ, only beat by the english and spanish.
The biggest civilization of all times in territory, bigger them english empire and mongolian empire, was the iberian union, 1580-1640, under the rule of Portuguese and Castille Kings Filipe 1,2,3 (2,3,4 of Castille)
Portugal have ~1000 years of independence. The game ship "caravel" was invented by the Portuguese.
Portugal discovered most of the known world. A Portuguese sailor officially discover America to Castille Queen, unofficially it was another portuguese sailor who discovers , but that's another story.
Some say Portugal don't have a millitary power, but who do u think that brings to europe the gunpower?
Since 1385 to 1580, Portugal was the most powerful kingdon in Europe, perhaps in the world, Portugal didn't had 1000000 soldiers like the germans or the U.S. or the russians, but had the best techniques and technologies of that time.Unhappyly the weak king of 1580 died at battle and the millitary power was lost to other kingdons like england and Castille but the culture survived to the times and now almost 300.000.000 of people are under portuguese influence!
Other dude say that Brazil is 10 times more important than Portugal, that is not correct neither the opposite, he only know more about Brazil because they have 20* more population than Portugal. The Brazilien culture is almost only portuguese!
So the civilazation that should be add ,would be:

Portugal -> King João II or King Afonso Henriques
Polland or Austria
Holland
Vikings or celts
Mayas
Korean or Huns
Otomanos
Saladin empire or the moors or Zulu

Should be add too:
Churchill -> England
Augusto Caesar -> Rome
Leónidas I -> Greece
Ransés II -> Egipt
France -> De gaulle
Spain -> Carlos V or Filipe II
German -> Hitler ? Mao Tse Tsung is there
??? -> A king from ancient China

 

[Hockeyciv]

Here's my two cents and why:

Babylon - A traditional original civ in the other games. Builder of the Hanging Gardens. A no brainer.

Zulu - The other civ from the original game that is not represented. It helps to round out the continent of Africa.

Scadinavians/Vikings - They've been in the game since Civ II. It's fun to invade by the sea. The first Europeans to find North America.

Turks/Ottomans - A traditional civilization included. It was an imperial power, that existed from 1299 to 1922.

Celts - For those of Irish/Scottish/Welsh decent plus those of other celtic areas.

Maya - Tikal, Copan, Chetian Itza, Uxmal, Palenque and the majority of Central American Region. Plus, they have a great leader in Smoke Jaguar.

Slavs - A linguistic group that covers Czechs, Slovakians, Poles and most of Eastern Europe. Although scarcely any unity developed among various Slavic peoples in history, faint traces of cooperation sometimes appeared and often nationalities were mixed in empires. However, if you can combine the different linguistic groups of North American native peoples, why can't you do the same thing to the Europeans? (I can hear the screaming already.)

Thais/Siamese or Khmer - SE Asia needs representation. The Thais were the only nation in SE Asia to not be conquered by any of the European nations while the Khmer had one of the greatest civilizations between the 9th and 13th centuries.

Others I would like to see added:

Polynesian - Cover the Maori, the Hawaiians and other groups. Their culture is spread over 1000 islands which is not insignificant. You can add the Moai from Easter Island as a wonder as well.

Native North Americans - They have always been represented in the game since Civ2. You could use the Sioux, the Iroquois, or even the Anastazi.

Australian Aboriginees - There are over 300 tribes but can you really ignore an entire continent?

Austria-Hungary - The Holy Roman Empire to the Hapsburgs.

Others:

Koreans - Land of the morning calm.
Vietnamese - I like the tenacity of these people.
Dutch - Explorers, traders, imperialists.
Portuguese - An empire that went from Brazil to Macau
Caribs - Covers Cuba and the islands.
Israel - If your going to include Korea then you may as well include other small and influential civilizations.

Plus:

Canada - What the heck. The US hasn't really been around that much longer than us and we're bigger.

 

[senor freebie]

Sorry for bringing that point up about Portugal in that sense without correctly explaining myself. In the instance of the huge world map I was referring to there is only enough room for 1 city in 'spain' and this one city stops the production of any city in Portugal. Meanwhile France also only has enough room for 1 city. This is of course unrealistic but a limitation of trying to have the entire world in a game of Civ. Personally I do think that Portugal is a very important empire but Spain was more important in the end and so takes preference due to a choice being forced on us by a game limitation. I personally wish movement could be increased and the amount of tiles also could be increased, allowing Europe to be larger. This would be ideal.

 

[Gingah]

Btw, i reckon that Korean und Japanese are just pirated versions of Chinese

No offence to Koelle, but if Korea & Japan were pirated versions of Chinese then many European Civs are just another pirated versions from Romans, Greeks, Germanic tribes, Vikings, Goths, Vandals and Celtic.

The comment from Koelle is Anti-Asian, BTW Koelle you should try to learn Asian history then you will understand.

 

[senor freebie]

I have to agree with Gingah. That was a very anti-asian comment and it stings of hypocrisy. Japan has been an empire on its own for 200 years and before that was fiercely independent of China for many centuries (maybe even millenia). Korea on the other hand is more contrasted then any internal differences within China. China has many different ethnicities who speak different languages and have different beliefs. However comparing the 2 most starkly contrasting Chinese cultures and saying that Korea is also as similar is like telling an Irish man he's no more different to the English then the Cornish are. Have you ever even seen the difference between the Korean and Mandarin alphabets?

 

[Older than Dirt]

The Aggies - but that would not be "fair" to all other hapless civs.

PS: I am not an Aggie, unfortunately.

 

[Xineoph]

@Hockey- I just found that Israel comment insulting.

True we were small, but we did leave an impact in history, equal to that of the Chinese, Egyptians, Romans etc....the only real reason i can ever think of, on why they are never represented, could be spacing issues and nationality.

But still ignoring that stuff, Israel/Hebrews made an enormous impact on history.

As for Canada...America is 100 years older then them, and has done much more...Canada, was pretty much GB's ***** until...i think it was the 1980s?

I remember it was the day, when Canada had the right to make constitutional changes without getting the Queens permission. Whenever that year specifically was.

 

[thordk]

1982.

i want vikings back ancient amphibious bersekers, woohoo!

 

[Koelle]

Your comments are anti-Koelle. I just disagreed with the guy who said that those asian civilizations like Thais and Turks have been around for thousands years. Ok, nowadays all of them might have their own written languages but fact is, korean and japanese languages are based on chinese language. You may say Chinese did pirate their language from Korean if you want as well as a Dutch may say German pirated their language but no one gives a damn about that. It was just a disagreement about something which had been said before and you guys immediatly put the label "anti-asian" on me, lol

Personally, though Korea was the first Civ i played in Civ 3 Exp and i did enjoy playing them, i think they should be excluded regardless what they have achieved as a civilzation (because with China and Japan as well as Mongolia already there we dont need one more East Asia civilization) to make place for much more deserved asian civs like Manchus, Tibetan, Vietnamese, Khmer ....

 

[DrewBledsoe]

The Japanese are only there as an independent nation, because Kublai Khan lost 2 huge invasion fleets (in 1274 and 1281), both destroyed by typhoons..(he had some bad luck did Kublai)....the 2nd of these nation saving storms became known as the divine wind...hence the word kamikaze

If either of these fleets had landed and conquered Japan, its seems likely that Japan would not exist in its present day format..(thats just my conjectured opinion btw)