Ah, they weren't upgraded from Ritualists (which I usually do). Last night I slew Auric with the Godslayer. Finding it was another matter. Had to go into military tab to find it on the map. For some reason Auric went to my lands, solo, instead of staying with his army and taking cities! Not a very smart tactic. I even helped him create peace with most other civs to have a fighting chance. His civ stats remained after his death. They only had 1 ice mana. His total was 70 (before AC 80). I haven't noticed any boost from the hammers, except for attack strength. I gotta look closer. I'm playing them right now, and was able to double their world spell back to back with the ritual. The golems are very slow. I'm finding diseased corpses to be a better option with increased movement (plus tower of necromancy and sheut). Bestow blessing also doesn't work on golems, so their strength is limited. It's nice to have them around for civ defenses though. I'm preparing an assault on Flauros with my quicker troops. I'm waiting for the ritual that destroys all demons and undead to be cast, before amassing diseased corpses. I play on big maps without any chokepoints, and Luichurp as an AI are always crushed. This game Orthus did appear, but still no Acheron or any other barbarian spawns. Most barb leaders (except for Kane and Jonas) seem compromised as a result of the barb benefit, but buff them if you want (I don't mind!). I think Spiritual for Illians is not as strong as for other civs. I still have Puppet states turned on (with having Feudalism), and still no Puppet states I'll consider that. Sometimes I don't know if it a bug. Good to know about Letum Frigus.